View Full Version : Killing Destroyers !!!
Captain_AJ
11-28-06, 09:40 AM
After many patrols I have seen how destroyers React too your presence .
I think that it is important too have your batterys charged to full when engaging a destroyer . Also It is very important to have your sonor man call out the contact , sometimes he gets lazy and quits . so thats a good time to get him back on track . Usaully when A des has made a dept charge run , he goes at least 45 degrees from your bow postion . And thats when its important not to change your heading . I have seen many turn left and swing around with a angle on the bow of 145 . at that time its a good time to chart while using a periscope depth .
Time is on your side , using the TDC chart and listinnig to the report ill adjust slightly and make small corrections . When the contatc is about 500 meters from your bow . Ill take the shot . Bingo sometimes it misses . when a des is on a attack and pinging Ill relese decoys , This throws them off and whil your sailing on the same heading you will see him off on a father direction . when that is true line up shot . BOOM DEAD des ,
Dont be afraid of the des , when In shallow waters . 25 meters works well , because the des sets his charges to a lower depth but those will explode hitting the bottom . . Its a cat and mouse game but you will control the situation if you stay cool . 11 des dead after the 8th patrol . NOT Scared , But Inconvinced . I had killed 3 destoyers in one sortie and had the convoy all to myself . I sank a tanker and a cargo ship on that patrol ,, BONSAI !!!
:rock:
peterloo
11-28-06, 10:15 AM
Yes, I agree it is a cat and mouse game, but then?
I shallow waters I must try my best to kill the destroy first before it finds you. :D Once it finds you, you are DOOMED and prepare to go to hell:damn: /heaven:up: . Well, what I do is to attact it to come close to me from the bow / stern side. Then, when it is 500m away from me, I set and launch 2 torpedoes with appox. 4.25m as a running depth with magnetic detonators on.:arrgh!: The destroyer usuall try to follow your course so you cannot hear them clearly through hypophone and let you run into their following charges, so you will face its bow side, which has a sharp surface and not suitable for impact detonators.:rock: Let themself run into the traps. They usually get killed when the fish explodes under their keel and they are not fast enough to change course:lol: (they need a reaction time!) even they knew two fish is running straight to it. Get meant.
If I want to save fish for later attack, just lower your periscope, rig for silent running and sneak away:doh:
drussxx
11-28-06, 01:22 PM
if you have approached a convoy right. you will probably have the lead escort coming very close to you run silent sometimes stationary.his sonar will not yet be active. as he is not aware of you. let him get as close as you dare. say 800 mtrs. and fire. he will not get much chance to get out of the way of your torpedo.this will then give you the chance to get at the lead ships of the convoy. and get the hell out of it before the other escorts arrive on the scene. a few times i have let the lead escort go by me untouched and regretted it. as he will be the closest escort to you when the first ship gets hit.admittedly this only works if you manage to get ahead of a convoy and just wait for it to come to you.(my favourite way of attacking a convoy). sometimes you may have only disabled and slowed a ship down. just creep behind the convoy. untill it sails on. the escorts will leave the crippled ship and carry on with the convoy. giving you the chance to send it to the bottom without escort inteference.
Jimbuna
11-28-06, 01:42 PM
if you have approached a convoy right. you will probably have the lead escort coming very close to you run silent sometimes stationary.his sonar will not yet be active. as he is not aware of you. let him get as close as you dare. say 800 mtrs. and fire. he will not get much chance to get out of the way of your torpedo.this will then give you the chance to get at the lead ships of the convoy. and get the hell out of it before the other escorts arrive on the scene. a few times i have let the lead escort go by me untouched and regretted it. as he will be the closest escort to you when the first ship gets hit.admittedly this only works if you manage to get ahead of a convoy and just wait for it to come to you.(my favourite way of attacking a convoy). sometimes you may have only disabled and slowed a ship down. just creep behind the convoy. untill it sails on. the escorts will leave the crippled ship and carry on with the convoy. giving you the chance to send it to the bottom without escort inteference.
In GW in particular he may hear your eels approach...and if he does, just watch how fast he can accelerate (like a greyhound after a rabbit) :yep:
kiwi_2005
11-28-06, 01:52 PM
In GW i dont even bother taking on a destroyer, i dive instead! In the stock game they use to be easy to take out, but now when i see one zigzagging towards me I dive deep!:)
Corsair
11-28-06, 03:27 PM
I much prefer to save my precious torpedoes for big fat merchant ships...;) The best destroyer is the one who never knew you were there.
Captain_AJ
11-29-06, 09:38 AM
After a long patrol and 2 torps Left . Another des contact , This time it was one on one . So I put my bow right staright for him and waited until he started firing , I dived to 15 meters and made a hard left to port . I had My sonor guy give me updates . I made sure that My stern was at least 90 degress to his AoB of 90 . Des seem to correct but I had him at his 85 , and when he was about 1000 yrds away I took The shot . It hit him foward of the bow .. that slowed him down to 5 knts . I turned My bow at my last bering rasied up My periscope and launched My last toprpedo . BAmm it stopped him . HE WAS GOING DOWN !!! :rock: So to all you kalens its not hard evern using Mods just Know Des seems to Not know were you are and when he pings .. Decoys help to get him away . Now If there are 3 tracking I dont attack .. I dive deep . Now today I have 12 Des kills . you are all are asking why des . Well In this last patrol no convoys and besides I was heding back to get resuplied and start a new patrol / I wonder if the guys are saying . when do we get to go home to st naziare ? . Well Iam a rough Killer capatain and hoping for the next big convoy !! than we go home !!
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mookiemookie
11-29-06, 11:01 AM
I much prefer to save my precious torpedoes for big fat merchant ships...;) The best destroyer is the one who never knew you were there.
Quoted for truth.
Let's see...1000 tons, or 10,000 tons. Hmm.... :hmm:
Konovalov
11-29-06, 11:04 AM
I much prefer to save my precious torpedoes for big fat merchant ships...;) The best destroyer is the one who never knew you were there.
Exactly. :yep:
Wave Skipper
11-29-06, 11:23 AM
When decoys are available I find DDs almost pointless. I set up a test where I had to reach a BB on the other side of a screen of 6 DDs - 3 set to expert and 3 set to vetran. A lot of near shots with DCs but the decoys got most of them going in silly circles. Only one looked for me and silent running and more well placed decoys took him off my tail. The BB was sunk and another round of decoys allowed my get away. Truth is after that I about quit the SH3 game for good. But I still play it from time to time.
IT IS JUST SO SAD that we never got to belly up to real DDs manned by real humans! SH4 better give us that soon after its release.
This is my wet dream, that some of you top modders find a way to insert SH3 U-boats into the SH4 game so that we can make a REAL multiplay!
bigboywooly
11-29-06, 11:38 AM
When decoys are available I find DDs almost pointless. I set up a test where I had to reach a BB on the other side of a screen of 6 DDs - 3 set to expert and 3 set to vetran. A lot of near shots with DCs but the decoys got most of them going in silly circles. Only one looked for me and silent running and more well placed decoys took him off my tail. The BB was sunk and another round of decoys allowed my get away. Truth is after that I about quit the SH3 game for good. But I still play it from time to time.
IT IS JUST SO SAD that we never got to belly up to real DDs manned by real humans! SH4 better give us that soon after its release.
This is my wet dream, that some of you top modders find a way to insert SH3 U-boats into the SH4 game so that we can make a REAL multiplay!
What mods are you running WS ?
The stock DD are useless IMHO
I like bow shot as seen on "Run Silent Run Deep"!
When I suceed the action and a destroyer sinks breaking in two, I feel so good.:rock:
Jimbuna
11-29-06, 04:32 PM
This is my wet dream, that some of you top modders find a way to insert SH3 U-boats into the SH4 game so that we can make a REAL multiplay!
Have you ever considered using the multiplay facility online ? Some of the beta testers are doing that at the moment with GWX and I can assure you it is an experience not to be missed :yep: :rock:
The Munster
11-29-06, 05:38 PM
The cat and mouse stuff has always troubled me as I have sunk many Warships, especially Hunts by 'luring' them to chase me then sending off a stern shot when he's approx 425m away.
In reality, I cannot see the Hunt knowingly chasing a Sub staying on the same course in case of that eventuality ! If I was on the Brig of a Hunt and up the backside of a Sub, I'd be zigging, believe me, I'd be zigging !
raymond6751
11-29-06, 06:29 PM
Orders and realism dictate that you should avoid fighting with destroyers. The subs were instructed and expected to sink merchant shipping to deny Britain her supplies.
I would only take on a DD if I were damaged and facing one lone attacker. Even then, my chances of a hit are small. DD speed alone, not to mention their turning radius would cause misses.
I used to break the surface, let the DD see me, then i would go to PD line up a stern shot wait till he gets with in 500m then fire a magnetic, .5m below his keel and watch him go bye bye :up:
However now with GWX lets just say i had to change my tactics ;) but i still go for the Escorts to leave the convoy all for me Muwahahaha :rotfl:
Jimbuna
11-29-06, 07:33 PM
I used to break the surface, let the DD see me, then i would go to PD line up a stern shot wait till he gets with in 500m then fire a magnetic, .5m below his keel and watch him go bye bye :up:
However now with GWX lets just say i had to chance my tactics ;) but i still go for the Escorts to leave the convoy all for me Muwahahaha :rotfl:
Yourdead right there pants (no pun intended) with regard to changing tactics against the dreaded DD = Demon Destroyers :yep: :up:
kiwi_2005
11-29-06, 08:26 PM
I took on two DD last patrol for the first time, usually i'll dive but i was so close to the convoy i knew if i dived it would be a while before i can come up and try to attack - they would of kept me down for hrs. So I decided to take them on both were coming for me about 1500yrds distance one on the left other on the right and the convoy straight ahead dead centre in the middle, bernard was freaking he thought i was mad taking on two DD's so i sent him to make me a coffee :lol: The DD's were zigzaging, instead of doing a down the throat shot which is practically impossible when they zigzag, i let them both cruise past me so they were both 90degrees on either side then i fired my torps and dived to 50 feet at flank speed to get the boat down quick just in case i missed. Heard two explosions went to persicope and saw I had hit both of them, yet they never sunk just kept travelling in wide circles but never dropped any depth charges, then they both went away.:rock: :) Its like they weren't interested in sinking me after that, they never sunk but instead kept there distance from me? I had the convoy to myself for approximatley 15min before another dd from the far side of the convoy started heading my way. Sunk 1 large tanker and 2 C2's then retreated.
Captain_AJ
11-29-06, 08:45 PM
DD are a waste of time ! it would be easier if the convoys didnt have them .. On one patrol I was able to eliminate all 3 And I had the convoy all to myself . that means being above surface and not having to worry about those little tommys comming after me . I was lucky . I only used 3 torps and sunk all three . This was after 5 hours of the game . I was about 12000 meters away after it was all said and done . the convoy had 3 tankers . I like tankers for the tonnage . I dont know how to expalin the tattics od how . I would love to write them down and expalin how it was done . the importnat thing is not to allow the des to get in front of you , only if you cripple them , Than use the bow torps . I will try to make a movie on how I have done it . My utmost respect for all the seasond Kaluens Hers the link as to why I use 68 . its named after the famous 68sentai . I was the CO of virtual 68sentai for 5 years in cfs2 and Il2 .. take a look
http://68sentai.tripod.com/
Stock DD's yes i agree are next to useless..it's a whole new ball game now though :o
I leave 'em alone unless I'm caught at PD with one of the buggers charging at me. Eels are for bigger game!
I always rely on the "no collision" thingy when surrounded by DD's. I stay submerged, and watch the hydrophone bearings closely, then i try to maneuver so that the DD's comes on a collision course with each other. This gives me some time to change course and maybe sneak away, while they are busy reversing..:yep:
I always rely on the "no collision" thingy when surrounded by DD's. I stay submerged, and watch the hydrophone bearings closely, then i try to maneuver so that the DD's comes on a collision course with each other. This gives me some time to change course and maybe sneak away, while they are busy reversing..:yep:
Not no more mate...not no more :doh:
I always rely on the "no collision" thingy when surrounded by DD's. I stay submerged, and watch the hydrophone bearings closely, then i try to maneuver so that the DD's comes on a collision course with each other. This gives me some time to change course and maybe sneak away, while they are busy reversing..:yep: Not no more mate...not no more :doh:
......*Scared of GWX*.........:eek::eek:
Actually lookin' forward to more "intelligent" AI...if i can call it that...And i hope the GWX fixes this...... :yep:
Without going into to much detail, i attacked two different convoys and got chased away both times :cry:
Both convoys escaped
Made to go deep and run silent....ping, ping :ping:
Without going into to much detail, i attacked two different convoys and got chased away both times :cry:
Both convoys escaped
Made to go deep and run silent....ping, ping :ping:
You are not a newbie SHIII player, pants, so considering your extencive gaming experience & the fact that you got chased away says all about this great mod!:up: Honestly, this sounds EXCELLENT! I love it when it gets more realistic!:yep:
nightdagger
11-29-06, 10:55 PM
I just got off patrol and I attacked a convoy. A destroyer was heading to ram me at exactly 180 degrees behind me. I launched a G7a and prayed and...it hit! Sunk it with one torpedo. Then his brother chased me down and killed me but it was awesome!
Late 42 onwards with the Allies new ASW...prepare to enter the killing fields :huh:
Naval and airforces work together to cut short your patrol :arrgh!:
The surface is not your friend always keep an eye in the sky, DD's will work together to hunt you down, they wont give up easy.
Not saying it is impossible..You just need to Think about your target, and a plan to escape after..It all comes down to tactics :up:
One good thing is there is a scale of difficulty, so you arn't thrown into the deep end .
Incubus
11-30-06, 12:35 AM
Why make the game nigh-impossible? I thought the problem with the stock DDs was that they were TOO good; that they were better at finding you than they were historically. Ditto for the depth charges being way too strong.
IMHO Stock DD's were about as usefull as a chocolate tea pot.
Incubus
11-30-06, 01:16 AM
What exactly do you mean? In later years they definitely give me headaches. I've had plenty of situations where I did everything 'right' (crash dive, run silent at 1 knot, use decoys, run deep, etc) and they still depth charge me to death. I don't see how this is 'too easy'.
I always got away, but then i always hunt in deep water.Plus for me Stock DD's were too easy to Attack and sink.
Incubus
11-30-06, 01:44 AM
What exactly are you doing that lets you get away so easily and kill DDs on a whim?
IMHO Stock DD's were about as usefull as a chocolate tea pot.:rotfl::rotfl:
The Munster
11-30-06, 07:20 AM
What exactly are you doing that lets you get away so easily and kill DDs on a whim?
It's not easy, you have to be on your wits; to be wary of what's going on around you especially when you don't use external camera which I never do. I've lost both periscopes from 2 different 'attack runs' and survived but went back to Port with all my torpedo's [which is a bit annoying]. Look at it as a mix of an adventure and a challenge.
Melonfish
11-30-06, 08:35 AM
pshhhhhhhhhht. got me killed by a V&W destroyer last night. so i come accross a convoy. its heading right for me and i'm on its starboard flank. its laden with all british ships including c2's c3's and some t2's an armed trawler front and rear and hiding in the rear of the starbord column a V&W.
thinking about this thread i decided to go for the destroyer first. now bearing in mind its like 1am (game time and my time oddly) i close flank speed to within 3.5k then submerge i slow down and set a single torpedo to magnetic det 4m depth. i line up the shot, medium speed and when within 1100m i fired. torpedo is running true and i drop my scope from sight. at detonation time i hear nothing so i pop up my scope and low and behold he's steaming straight for me. grumpily i fire my second torpedo right at him (his range is about 700m at this point right at me and i've got a good angle) lucky i prepped two really. the sod only goes and turns last minute and evades it which insues me having to go deep and silent trying to escape, after much messing and firing another two torps to sheer misses i said "bugger this" and blew ballest. had my deck gun fire at his weapons and hit his depth charges with my zweivierling, commenced crash dive and took a direct hit to the command room and was sunk...
sux.
i need tips on wasting destroyers chaps with that V&W out the way i could have mopped up that convoy...
pete
pshhhhhhhhhht. got me killed by a V&W destroyer last night. so i come accross a convoy. its heading right for me and i'm on its starboard flank. its laden with all british ships including c2's c3's and some t2's an armed trawler front and rear and hiding in the rear of the starbord column a V&W.
thinking about this thread i decided to go for the destroyer first. now bearing in mind its like 1am (game time and my time oddly) i close flank speed to within 3.5k then submerge i slow down and set a single torpedo to magnetic det 4m depth. i line up the shot, medium speed and when within 1100m i fired. torpedo is running true and i drop my scope from sight. at detonation time i hear nothing so i pop up my scope and low and behold he's steaming straight for me. grumpily i fire my second torpedo right at him (his range is about 700m at this point right at me and i've got a good angle) lucky i prepped two really. the sod only goes and turns last minute and evades it which insues me having to go deep and silent trying to escape, after much messing and firing another two torps to sheer misses i said "bugger this" and blew ballest. had my deck gun fire at his weapons and hit his depth charges with my zweivierling, commenced crash dive and took a direct hit to the command room and was sunk...
sux.
i need tips on wasting destroyers chaps with that V&W out the way i could have mopped up that convoy...
pete
Electric or steam torpedo on the first shot? The reason I ask is a steam could have been seen and evaded.
The Munster
11-30-06, 10:38 AM
@Melonfish, next time, try 3m for a V & W :yep:
Stealth Hunter
11-30-06, 05:09 PM
Sink whatever you can. It is vital that you destroy as many of your foes as possible.
wazawak
12-01-06, 04:25 AM
I run at periscope depth directly away from them, then give them a steam stern shot at 400m when they're dead behind me :up:. Works every time. Sank 4 DDs last patrol, then gobbled up the fat tankers in the convoy.
Melonfish
12-01-06, 10:55 AM
it was a steamy, but i wanted it to be a quick shot. i mean it was fair north atlantic seas, a bit choppy but a clear night. i think i'll use leccy's then. not sure about a stern shot, if i miss its 11 minutes until i can fire again, oh for acoustics! still its 1940, i must soldier on.
pete
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