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AVGWarhawk
11-24-06, 12:37 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/DANGER-FROM-THE-DEEP-WW-II-SUBMARINE-WARFARE-SIMULATOR_W0QQitemZ160053556843QQihZ006QQcategoryZ 80336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Correct me if I'm wrong...is this not a free game that is still in development? Something stinks here on EBay.:shifty:
Jimbuna
11-24-06, 12:55 PM
I agree with you there AVG :yep: and await further posts with interest mate :hmm:
AVGWarhawk
11-24-06, 01:01 PM
Yeah man, I was surfing ebay and saw this for bidding. Pretty slick but I think he is caught. Furthermore, I sent a question to the person that is bidding this about it. I await his response.....:nope:
I have seen others purchase burned SH3 DVD and being bidded as new on Ebay. I do not want to see another get burned for something that is free or is a fake copy.
AVGWarhawk
11-24-06, 01:12 PM
Here is his reponse. "You are correct. This is GNU licenced softwar. You can purchase a DVD or download for free." So it seems he is selling burned disks at a profit. Is this a little screwed up or what?
Jimbuna
11-24-06, 01:58 PM
Here is his reponse. "You are correct. This is GNU licenced softwar. You can purchase a DVD or download for free." So it seems he is selling burned disks at a profit. Is this a little screwed up or what?
You said it mate :yep: ...But believe me I've seen some seriously weird sh*t on ebay over the years :o
Respenus
11-24-06, 02:00 PM
Some people really know no limits!:down:
You guys know what my point of view is...:down:
NeonSamurai
11-24-06, 02:05 PM
Its not unheard, of the guy is offering freeware for a small amount of money to mail it on a dvd instead of the person ordering it having to download it.
Though not exactly overly classy, he doesnt seem to be trying to charge an arm and a leg for it. Such offers also tend to be quite helpfull for those who dont have a broadband connection.
Albrecht Von Hesse
11-24-06, 02:06 PM
Its not unheard, of the guy is offering freeware for a small amount of money to mail it on a dvd instead of the person ordering it having to download it.
True. It's a small amount he's asking for the file, but does it really cost him almost $7 to mail a CD?
NeonSamurai
11-24-06, 02:11 PM
Depending on how he is shipping it yes, also its "shipping and handling" costs so im sure he tacked on a buck or 2 more to cover his "handling" of it heh
Well in the age of high speed internet there isn't much point is buying a freeware game. I mean the amount of time it would take to deliver you could probably download the thing on your 56k anyway.
theluckyone17
11-24-06, 07:55 PM
The "community" (don't know what else to call it) is rather aware of this guy/these folks. They're apparently doing the same for Flight Gear (www.flightgear.org). Seems that most opinion is that what they're doing isn't really illegal, but downright shady, and deserves a swift kick in the karma.
'Course, on the other hand, if someone is stupid enough to "buy" it, without doing any research, they kinda deserve it. When you google "danger from the deep", the first link is the sourceforge page, with links to download it for free.
It's not much different than the folks who reproduce the Redhat CD's and resell 'em...
AVGWarhawk
11-24-06, 10:52 PM
It is a crock of crap in my view. He is selling an incomplete game. He claims to be an authorized seller and distributor for this game. The meek shall inherit the earth and this game:shifty:
I understand the good faith in this guy, if his intentions are to help out those without bandwidth to download this. But i think all who contributes to this game should make a site where people could buy this, and not let every stray back alley cat earn money on it. Then the money could go to further development of the game. And as said above, its unfinished, so the product value isnt so good.
The question I have is there anyone we could report this person to in order to shut him down?
AVGWarhawk
11-25-06, 07:26 AM
I understand the good faith in this guy, if his intentions are to help out those without bandwidth to download this. But i think all who contributes to this game should make a site where people could buy this, and not let every stray back alley cat earn money on it. Then the money could go to further development of the game. And as said above, its unfinished, so the product value isnt so good.
No where on the site does it say this product unfinished. The problem here is he is selling an unfinished product and making a net profit from it. Does copywrite infringment come into play here wither it is product whos value is not so good? In my view a profit is being made and the developers are not getting anything for it. Currently if is on sale for $19.95. If this was your game that you created would you not be PO'd that someone is making money from it? If anyone in this thread think this is OK and he is helping those with dial-up by selling a CD of it, your thinking is seriously flawed. Mother Theresa this guy ain't. He is only helping out his wallet.:nope:
AVGWarhawk
11-25-06, 07:27 AM
The question I have is there anyone we could report this person to in order to shut him down?
I do not know if he can be reported but I will go to the site for this game and search for a contact email.
I understand the good faith in this guy, if his intentions are to help out those without bandwidth to download this. But i think all who contributes to this game should make a site where people could buy this, and not let every stray back alley cat earn money on it. Then the money could go to further development of the game. And as said above, its unfinished, so the product value isnt so good.
No where on the site does it say this product unfinished. The problem here is he is selling an unfinished product and making a net profit from it. Does copywrite infringment come into play here wither it is product whos value is not so good? In my view a profit is being made and the developers are not getting anything for it. Currently if is on sale for $19.95. If this was your game that you created would you not be PO'd that someone is making money from it? If anyone in this thread think this is OK and he is helping those with dial-up by selling a CD of it, your thinking is seriously flawed. Mother Theresa this guy ain't. He is only helping out his wallet.:nope:
AVGWarhawk, i agree with you. I ment that if his intentions are good, but it doesnt seem like they are. The developers should have all the bucks this dude makes on selling this stuff, without questions. My thinking isnt flawed, trust me mate:D..
$19.95 is alot of money for unfinished work, and i'll guess his attempt to make money on others peoples work wont go unnoticed by the developers... And you know how i feel about those who steal others peoples work (*easy _seth_, you dont...woooont to go there.....easy...breathe....inhale...exhale.....pu hhh..:sunny:)
Jimbuna
11-25-06, 08:31 AM
I understand the good faith in this guy, if his intentions are to help out those without bandwidth to download this. But i think all who contributes to this game should make a site where people could buy this, and not let every stray back alley cat earn money on it. Then the money could go to further development of the game. And as said above, its unfinished, so the product value isnt so good.
No where on the site does it say this product unfinished. The problem here is he is selling an unfinished product and making a net profit from it. Does copywrite infringment come into play here wither it is product whos value is not so good? In my view a profit is being made and the developers are not getting anything for it. Currently if is on sale for $19.95. If this was your game that you created would you not be PO'd that someone is making money from it? If anyone in this thread think this is OK and he is helping those with dial-up by selling a CD of it, your thinking is seriously flawed. Mother Theresa this guy ain't. He is only helping out his wallet.:nope:
AVGWarhawk, i agree with you. I ment that if his intentions are good, but it doesnt seem like they are. The developers should have all the bucks this dude makes on selling this stuff, without questions. My thinking isnt flawed, trust me mate:D..
$19.95 is alot of money for unfinished work, and i'll guess his attempt to make money on others peoples work wont go unnoticed by the developers... And you know how i feel about those who steal others peoples work (*easy _seth_, you dont...woooont to go there.....easy...breathe....inhale...exhale.....pu hhh..:sunny:)
Now keep a cool head there my young kaleun :arrgh!: :up:
NeonSamurai
11-25-06, 09:51 AM
Im curious where are you all digging up 19.95$? last i looked the bid was at 4 dollars + 6 dollars for shipping and "handling".
Anyhow i dont exactly agree with it, especialy as its unlikely he has the authors' permision, but its technicaly not illegal as far as i know (its an opensource project). As for dialup users, yes they possibly could download it before it would arive in the mail, but its still not overly feasable for them to do it, your forget download interups, isp automaticly hanging up every so often etc which can drop the download and depending on the site its being downloaded from force a complete restart. Also the person downloading it wouldnt be able to do much of anything else while its downloading.
AVGWarhawk
11-25-06, 10:47 AM
I understand the good faith in this guy, if his intentions are to help out those without bandwidth to download this. But i think all who contributes to this game should make a site where people could buy this, and not let every stray back alley cat earn money on it. Then the money could go to further development of the game. And as said above, its unfinished, so the product value isnt so good.
No where on the site does it say this product unfinished. The problem here is he is selling an unfinished product and making a net profit from it. Does copywrite infringment come into play here wither it is product whos value is not so good? In my view a profit is being made and the developers are not getting anything for it. Currently if is on sale for $19.95. If this was your game that you created would you not be PO'd that someone is making money from it? If anyone in this thread think this is OK and he is helping those with dial-up by selling a CD of it, your thinking is seriously flawed. Mother Theresa this guy ain't. He is only helping out his wallet.:nope:
AVGWarhawk, i agree with you. I ment that if his intentions are good, but it doesnt seem like they are. The developers should have all the bucks this dude makes on selling this stuff, without questions. My thinking isnt flawed, trust me mate:D..
$19.95 is alot of money for unfinished work, and i'll guess his attempt to make money on others peoples work wont go unnoticed by the developers... And you know how i feel about those who steal others peoples work (*easy _seth_, you dont...woooont to go there.....easy...breathe....inhale...exhale.....pu hhh..:sunny:)
I was not pointing you out Seth.:doh: Others in the thread seem to think this is OK. What could it hurt? He is not asking for much! These are the same that think just a little pot won't hurt children. Gee, it is not much! What could it hurt? This is were the thinking is flawed. Does anyone really believe he is a bleeding heart and wants to make good by burning a CD for a price for those that have dial up? Man, best stop sniffing the glue:doh: and put down the can of spray paint.:dead: The man is obviously selling an incomplete game he did not create for profit. Very simple. Furthermore, he is not advising this game is unfinished and is also available for a free download. It is DECEPTION at it's worst, not only to the developers but to young kids ordering the darn thing when it is FREE!
At any rate, I did find an email for the developers on the site and asked if this game was legally contracted to be burned and sold. Here is the catch, the names look to be Russian and copywrite protection probably does not apply. With that said, all that can be done is expose this individual to EBay and see what they say.
OK, lets open that can of worms.....did X1 selling of free modded work go well with this community? It went over like a draft card at a hippie love in. Same principle
here.
I'm a member of the Danger from the Deep forums, and have posted there many times before. I can make a post and ask the team about it if you want.
AVGWarhawk
11-25-06, 02:13 PM
I'm a member of the Danger from the Deep forums, and have posted there many times before. I can make a post and ask the team about it if you want.
If you would! See what becomes of it. We may not be able to change the whole world but we sure can change our little part of it!:rock:
Done. Let's see if there is a response to this later.
http://www.dangerdeep.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=768#768
squirrel777
11-25-06, 06:00 PM
Danger from the Deep is released under the GPL, so that anybody can do anything with the software as long as it retains the GPL license. It's therefore totally legal to sell it for a profit, the person doing that doesn't need the approbation of the devs or anyone.
It's a good thing, having other people distribute it increase the visibility and availability of open source software.
A dev team can for example take the DftD source code, add some contents/scenarios and sell that for a profit. Ultimately, it will benefit the community since new content has been developed for everybody to use/modify/resell.
It's exactly how (for example) commercial Linux distributions work, RedHat, Novell, etc... are basically doing just that, selling a collection of selected work from other, making millions $$$ but this is a good thing since they improve the product.
However, apexsoftware is a bit deceiving by not telling their customer the product is unfinished and by not telling it's under the GPL (and therefore available from other sources as well), but if people are willing to buy without checking what the product is first.... it's their own problem!
Well, luckily that is how I presented the problem to the dev team. I suspected that ApexSoftware was allowed to make the sales, because of a news article I read once about an arrest of a PC Store owner who was selling copies of some build of Linus - the developers told the police to release the seller because he was not breaking the law (although the police were unhappy about that). The main problem here is, as you said, that ApexSoftware is presenting DftD as being a finished commercial product for Windows, in a factory produced package.
AVGWarhawk
11-25-06, 06:47 PM
I dig your response squirrel and yourdead on with your response but as AG124 so aptly stated and I mentioned as well, no mention of game in the works, unfinished product, but it is FACTORY sealed. I guess one could consider a Ziploc baggie as factory sealed. A disclosure should be added to the bidding screen or FINE print if you will. I would like to see the response from the DW community on the matter.:yep:
e-Bay has a simple process for dealing with people who are "operating on the fringes of the law" and that is their rating system. People who buy who feel bad about it later can take out their frustrations in their ratings of the seller.
That said I'd be a bit miffed if I later found out that what I'd bought was incomplete and still in development no matter how much I'd shelled out for it.
I assume you are talking about feedback. The problem is, they can do the same to you by leaving you negative feedback after you leave it for them. I think there is a process to deal with purely retaliatory feedback, but they can always make a statement like "buyer was rude and confrontational." There is also mutual withdrawal, but that would make the entire process redundant. Essentially, it wouldn't really work for the situation at hand.
BTW - off topic, but there is an AG124 an eBay - and it isn't me.:damn: Someone from the US got my favorite username and I had to choose another, although that was long before I joined SubSim.
AVGWarhawk
11-26-06, 07:52 AM
Well AG124 the developer has spoken. The artwork is not transferable under any circumstanses. Looks like he will be contacting Ebay on the matter. :rock: Thanks for posting this issue up on the forum. Once again, lets give credit were credit is due or monies if any.
As far as the feedback system on Ebay, it is nothing but a "he said, she said" and nothing really becomes of it. Ebay does however mediate in dire situations and will cut off sellers if needed. I do not know if they go any further than that.
Thanks for posting it for the developers AG124:up:
Subwolf
11-26-06, 10:59 AM
(*easy _seth_, you dont...woooont to go there.....easy...breathe....inhale...exhale.....pu hhh..:sunny:)
I would like to comment this thread, but since our last discussion didn't end very well I choose not to. I don't want to pull you into a minefield once again ;)
The warning has now been posted on the main DftD page.:yep: As has been stated earlier in this thread, hopefully people will search for information about the game before deciding to buy it from some shady seller.
http://dangerdeep.sourceforge.net/
AVGWarhawk
11-26-06, 05:59 PM
Good show! Now I wonder if Ebay will consider what Apex is doing and have him post this on his bidding site for this game
:hmm:
AVGWarhawk
11-26-06, 06:08 PM
I responded to Apexsoftware via the wonderful Ebay email system with the link to the page showing the disclaimer that the developers posted today. I'll let you know if there is a response or not. The disclaimer is well written and matter of fact.
Subwolf
11-26-06, 06:38 PM
Here we go again. It stinks but you can't do much about it. Why? Because he's selling something that is already free. Let's put it this way, take your pc under your arm and put it on the street, someone will pick it up and sell it, can you blame him?
What this guy is doing and what X1 did is the same thing, and there is nothing the law can do here. This ends up a morality issue, and there is a lot of people out there who couldn't care less about that.
Albrecht Von Hesse
11-26-06, 06:48 PM
Here we go again. It stinks but you can't do much about it. Why? Because he's selling something that is already free. Let's put it this way, take your pc under your arm and put it on the street, someone will pick it up and sell it, can you blame him?
What this guy is doing and what X1 did is the same thing, and there is nothing the law can do here. This ends up a morality issue, and there is a lot of people out there who couldn't care less about that.
Actually you can do something about it. It's called 'intellectual property' and 'tangible property', and copyright laws cover software. Just because something is being distributed free by the owner and developer doesn't make it legal for someone else to sell it and make money from that if they haven't been given permission to do so.
The problem here is that they do have permission do so. Although it can be illegal to sell freeware for a profit, in this case Apexsoftware is technically charging a fee to deliver open-source software, which is permissable (or so I understand). It is borderlining on profiting, but I think they can get away with it. The biggest issue against them is that they are misrepresenting the software for their own purposes - they are cldearly implying that it is a finished commercial product when it is a continuing open-source project. At no point do they state the truth - it may be a grey area but it is a very dark shade of grey.:nope: If they can't be legally stopped (and it is very possible that we cannot), then we should at least try to warn some potential victims.
Subwolf
11-26-06, 07:03 PM
Yes we got the copyright law, but it doesn't seem to cover freeware even when it is supposed to, there has been no reaction from the law against this.
It wouldn't surprise me if someone started to sell copies of GWX too after its release.
Good to see I started something:yep:
If a freeware package is sold for CD/DVD costs, postage & Handling (with a small amount of profit for time spent copying & dud disks) I think it's a great idea!:yep:
I live in the country & dialup is all that is available so purchasing a disk would be great, What I would like to see is Subsim doing this for GWX & the small profit ofcourse going to Subsim for site costs!:up: Hint Hint!
Tachyon
11-26-06, 10:38 PM
It looks like this "Apex Software" is selling some other freeware games as well.. VegaStrike, Flight Commander....and ironically they've got good feedback from their customers :P. Shame though, stealing someone else's work and selling it.
If a freeware package is sold for CD/DVD costs, postage & Handling (with a small amount of profit for time spent copying & dud disks) I think it's a great idea!:yep:
I live in the country & dialup is all that is available so purchasing a disk would be great, What I would like to see is Subsim doing this for GWX & the small profit ofcourse going to Subsim for site costs!:up: Hint Hint!
There must be a fellow forum member in OZ who would be able to burn you a copy and mail it to you if you send a prepaid and addressed envelope? I'd offer myself but wrong country/continent/hemisphere. Now just tell me that that is ok and I haven't broken 50 rules by talking about it?!
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bigboywooly
11-27-06, 05:58 AM
If a freeware package is sold for CD/DVD costs, postage & Handling (with a small amount of profit for time spent copying & dud disks) I think it's a great idea!:yep:
I live in the country & dialup is all that is available so purchasing a disk would be great, What I would like to see is Subsim doing this for GWX & the small profit ofcourse going to Subsim for site costs!:up: Hint Hint!
Well there are 2 dev team members in Aus so hint a bit louder :rotfl:
squirrel777
11-27-06, 06:34 AM
Actually you can do something about it. It's called 'intellectual property' and 'tangible property', and copyright laws cover software. Just because something is being distributed free by the owner and developer doesn't make it legal for someone else to sell it and make money from that if they haven't been given permission to do so.
As I said previously, DftD being released under the GPL, it is perfectly legal to distribute it, even for a profit. Copyright laws apply, and in that case, the devs hold the copyright and explicitely (by releasing their software under the GPL) allow everybody to copy, distribute, modify, etc... THEIR software under the condition of the GPL (most importantly that any modification of the software must also be released under the GPL).
So apexsoftware indeed have the permission from the devs to distribute the software (as long as they follow the GPL).
Don't get me wrong, I don't try to defend apexsoftware in any way, and I think what they do is, from a moral point of view, at least dubious, and certainly dishonest. I'm just trying to clear the legal issue a bit, it's what "free software" (not freeware) is and what it implies.
But as the devs said, the product may be described in a misleading and false way, and this may be illegal.
AVGWarhawk
11-27-06, 08:41 AM
Actually you can do something about it. It's called 'intellectual property' and 'tangible property', and copyright laws cover software. Just because something is being distributed free by the owner and developer doesn't make it legal for someone else to sell it and make money from that if they haven't been given permission to do so.
As I said previously, DftD being released under the GPL, it is perfectly legal to distribute it, even for a profit. Copyright laws apply, and in that case, the devs hold the copyright and explicitely (by releasing their software under the GPL) allow everybody to copy, distribute, modify, etc... THEIR software under the condition of the GPL (most importantly that any modification of the software must also be released under the GPL).
So apexsoftware indeed have the permission from the devs to distribute the software (as long as they follow the GPL).
Don't get me wrong, I don't try to defend apexsoftware in any way, and I think what they do is, from a moral point of view, at least dubious, and certainly dishonest. I'm just trying to clear the legal issue a bit, it's what "free software" (not freeware) is and what it implies.
But as the devs said, the product may be described in a misleading and false way, and this may be illegal.
Two problems:
1. You stated that the seller does not show it is uncompleted, free, misleading. True.
2. The developers stated the artwork is not free to sell.
Anyway, Apex claims they will contact the developers and ask if it is OK to sell their game. They also claim they send any profit to the developers of the game at the end of every quarter. Sure.....
squirrel777
11-27-06, 12:29 PM
Two problems:
1. You stated that the seller does not show it is uncompleted, free, misleading. True.
2. The developers stated the artwork is not free to sell.
Anyway, Apex claims they will contact the developers and ask if it is OK to sell their game. They also claim they send any profit to the developers of the game at the end of every quarter. Sure.....
OK then, you're right.
The graphics are not licensed under the GPL (although I haven't seen that on the site, but I haven't really searched), so what I said doesn't apply to them, and presumably, 3rd parties must have copyright holders approval before distributing them.
I hope that Apex is really doing that, it can be a help for the DftD project, but I can't help doubting :-?
AVGWarhawk
11-27-06, 12:53 PM
Two problems:
1. You stated that the seller does not show it is uncompleted, free, misleading. True.
2. The developers stated the artwork is not free to sell.
Anyway, Apex claims they will contact the developers and ask if it is OK to sell their game. They also claim they send any profit to the developers of the game at the end of every quarter. Sure.....
OK then, you're right.
The graphics are not licensed under the GPL (although I haven't seen that on the site, but I haven't really searched), so what I said doesn't apply to them, and presumably, 3rd parties must have copyright holders approval before distributing them.
I hope that Apex is really doing that, it can be a help for the DftD project, but I can't help doubting :-?
Its not that I'm right. The developers said the GPl can be sold but the artwork is not for sale. It is a very fine line here. Anyway, I asked AG124 if he could contact the developers again and forward my communique I have had with Apex on the issue.
The site now has a disclaimer on it. Check out the link a couple of replys up above. From the looks of it Apex is selling other games in the same situation. He has no disclaimers.:nope:
AVGWarhawk
11-27-06, 01:01 PM
Done. Let's see if there is a response to this later.
http://www.dangerdeep.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=768#768
Click on the thread started by AG124 in the Dangers forum. Creating a stir about the artwork.:hmm:
rconstruct
11-28-06, 08:38 PM
Hi
The lead developer already sent an email to ebay. There's been some confusion regarding Danger from the Deep.
Danger from the deep's source code is licensed under the GNU GPLv2 license. Which means that under the GPL you can distribute the binaries, provided the source code is included and that the authors reference/copyright notes are maintained.
The artwork however is _not_ GPL, never was, and that was clearly mentioned in the source tarball in the file LICENSE_README, LICENSE_ARTWORK, and in the artwork directory in LICENSE_ARTWORK and the CC deeds of remaining contributions. Not only this, but the data tarball also had these files, and the windows and linux x86-32/64 installers, have an scrolling window with the license specifying this, so anyone installing it, would see it. There is no excuse to say that X person didn't know the artwork license, when there were several copies of the licenses, as well as license notes, item info, etc.. all over the place, duplicated, even triplicated.
As far as the ebay auction, it's plain and simple copyright infringement.
The artwork is licensed under a CreativeCommons At-Nc-Nd 2.0 (2.5 now, same thing basically) license > Attribution/NonCommercial/NonDerivs license.
This means:
Attribution. You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor.
Noncommercial. You may not use this work for commercial purposes.
No Derivative Works. You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work.
If someone wanted to sell it, they should've contacted the authors to discuss the situation, but there's still another problem. We could only license/sublicense the works for which we are the respective copyright holders. This means that for anyone to sell dftd, we would have to first license the distribution, and second, to remove 2 soundtracks that are licensed under the same CC license, version 2.0 (Attribution/Noncommercial/Nonderivative), because we're not the copyright holders of these tracks, and we don't have the right to sublicense this.
So, the person selling this game, didn't contact any of the copyright holders, of any of the 2d artwork, 3d artwork, sound effects, and soundtracks - it's simply copyright infringement.
P.S.: Software licensed under the GNU GPLv2 isn't automagically waived of copyrights. GNU GPLv2 software is copyright of the respective authors.
AVGWarhawk
11-28-06, 09:15 PM
Rcontruct,
In laymens terms, what is the next step? Stop Apex from selling this game? Is is possible?
AVGWarhawk
11-28-06, 09:22 PM
Well, I guess I answered my own question. I went to the Apex site to look and see if the game was set up to be bid on again. I cannot find it for bidding. Perhaps the good guys won this round?
rconstruct
11-29-06, 01:59 PM
Hi
Well, if Apex would've contacted us, we could've worked out something. We would have to remove the artwork that we can't sublicense, which would be a pain, but doable. Personally, i understand perfectly that not everyone has access to a fast internet connection, i still remember my 56k days, and CD/DVD distribution might help those people. On other side, it's quite frustrating for me personally to see people making a profit, when simple things as books that would be reference/research material to make more work for dangerdeep, or blueprints, like the smithsonian blueprints of 1930-1940's ships, or subscriptions of uboat.net, are considered a luxury which i can't afford atm.
Still, the game development process is an open process, it would be reasonable to expect that if Apex had doubts, he could've just contacted us, so overall, the feeling that this leaves, is one of frustration and disrespect for everyone's work, when everyone's sacrificing their time to make a project as open as possible.
I'm glad that this issue was solved, because i'm frankly tired of this mess, and want to return to work, there's going to be _major_ new features and improvements in the next version of dangerdeep, and time is best spent working in these ;)
P.S.: i'll post in the indie subsims section a thread about the new features, as soon as things are relatively settled ;)
AVGWarhawk
11-29-06, 02:19 PM
Well, as of today it is still not up for bid anymore at the Apex site. However, they still have other games that are in the same situation showing for bid.
Looks like we won one for the good guys. Hoorah!
Jimbuna
11-29-06, 04:05 PM
Well, as of today it is still not up for bid anymore at the Apex site. However, they still have other games that are in the same situation showing for bid.
Looks like we won one for the good guys. Hoorah!
:D :up:
The Munster
11-29-06, 06:23 PM
If a freeware package is sold for CD/DVD costs, postage & Handling (with a small amount of profit for time spent copying & dud disks) I think it's a great idea!:yep:
I live in the country & dialup is all that is available so purchasing a disk would be great, What I would like to see is Subsim doing this for GWX & the small profit ofcourse going to Subsim for site costs!:up: Hint Hint!
Well there are 2 dev team members in Aus so hint a bit louder :rotfl:
Reece, I'd be more than happy to burn the finished GWX to a DVD and send it out to you [if permissible]. I owe you a big favour anyway and what better way to repay it ?
P.S. I know what it's like to live out 'in the sticks' just a different Country but didn't realise you were still on 'hamster on a wheel' dial-up !.
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