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Takeda Shingen
11-18-06, 04:54 PM
Have you ever noticed, that in the horrendous Return of the Jedi, the opposing fleets have to fly within each other's line of sight to engage? Are you telling me that the Galactic Empire has mastered space flight, light speed travel, clean-burning and efficient power, but lacks OTH targeting? Every battle must be a knife fight?
Also, Star Destroyers carry short-range fighter 'aircraft'. As such, they are 'Star Carriers'. Furthermore, what is the point of building the big black ships? They don't seem to have any enhancement in the capability department. Did someone just say, 'I know, let's built a really big one. It will be like all of the others, but just really, really big'? In fact, all that they seem to do is fly really slow and force the other ships to throw themselves between it and the enemy guns.
Who designed this fleet? The Czar?
Sailor Steve
11-18-06, 05:15 PM
Who designed this fleet? The Czar?
People who know nothing of real combat, nor care to. People who said "Let's see how many cool things we can put on screen!"
Tchocky
11-18-06, 06:22 PM
space has a horizon?
TteFAboB
11-18-06, 06:38 PM
And a Czar?
Torplexed
11-18-06, 06:42 PM
Frankly, I gave up watching any Star Wars movie that didn't have a Harrison Ford in it. His smirky grin was what kept that increasingly bloated franchise afloat.
Nice size comparison of the various movie and TV show starships here:
http://izlin.free.fr/eve/images/compilation.jpg
Have you ever noticed, that in the horrendous Return of the Jedi, the opposing fleets have to fly within each other's line of sight to engage? Are you telling me that the Galactic Empire has mastered space flight, light speed travel, clean-burning and efficient power, but lacks OTH targeting? Every battle must be a knife fight?
Also, Star Destroyers carry short-range fighter 'aircraft'. As such, they are 'Star Carriers'. Furthermore, what is the point of building the big black ships? They don't seem to have any enhancement in the capability department. Did someone just say, 'I know, let's built a really big one. It will be like all of the others, but just really, really big'? In fact, all that they seem to do is fly really slow and force the other ships to throw themselves between it and the enemy guns.
Who designed this fleet? The Czar?
If you think you can do better start writing episodes 7,8 and 9. :p ;)
tycho102
11-18-06, 07:30 PM
I'm not going to go into a rant about Lucas, because it would involve Shaka Zulu and Shinto.
Most of us are fully aware that Lucas started completely blowing it about 1984. The fleet was designed by czar Lucas. Just watch the movie and hush.
I'm not going to go into a rant about Lucas, because it would involve Shaka Zulu and Shinto.
Most of us are fully aware that Lucas started completely blowing it about 1984. The fleet was designed by czar Lucas. Just watch the movie and hush.
See the chart i posted above. There seems to have been a competition for among the various space shows for the biggest which Lucas has won hands down.
Torplexed
11-18-06, 08:19 PM
Honestly, there's been so many other movies since the first Star Wars that have great effects and great stories that the series as a whole really feels unspecial and contrived. Namely with Lord of the Rings, but even the rise of CG animated movies( Nemo, The Incredibles) Lucas should have called it a day with the first three and considered himself lucky. It's sad that he got so caught up playing with CGI and all the other funky technology that he doesn't realize that his last films had more technical flaws than all the amateur fan-films out there put together.
Perilscope
11-18-06, 08:40 PM
Honestly, there's been so many other movies since the first Star Wars that have great effects and great stories that the series as a whole really feels unspecial and contrived. Namely with Lord of the Rings, but even the rise of CG animated movies( Nemo, The Incredibles) Lucas should have called it a day with the first three and considered himself lucky. It's sad that he got so caught up playing with CGI and all the other funky technology that he doesn't realize that his last films had more technical flaws than all the amateur fan-films out there put together.I agree!
Also I do not understand how these new series have better spaceships than the first series, which is after in the timeline. That chrome sleek spaceship in the Phantom Menace is just way out of timeline.:down:
XabbaRus
11-19-06, 06:48 AM
Star Trek and Babylon 5 had much more credible ships imho.
Takeda Shingen
11-19-06, 08:28 AM
Intended as levity, and evidently was poorly conceived. I shall return to my humorless moderator-related duties. My apologies to all who were offended.
The Avon Lady
11-19-06, 10:51 AM
The Empire strikes back (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=416761&in_page_id=1770). :nope:
NeonSamurai
11-19-06, 10:58 AM
The reason why it was like that in the movies (and tv) is because the battles would be far less exciting to watch. Far better if you can see both sides at the same time duking it out.
Spaceships in Star Trek were on the same screen in external shots even when Spock/Data/etc. said the ships were at (many hundreds of KM) away. It just looks cool ummmkay?
Intended as levity, and evidently was poorly conceived. I shall return to my humorless moderator-related duties. My apologies to all who were offended.
I got the joke and don't see anything you should aplogize for.
IMO futuristic spaceship designs in TV and movies set hundreds or thousands of years in the future shouldn't have to follow real life turn-of-the-21st-century design norms.
While I agree that some of the movie/TV spaceships could have used someone with a better eye for styling, as we've seen from various depictions of expected future land, space and air vehicles from the 40's and 50's even relatively short projections are nearly always wildly incorrect.
The Empire strikes back (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=416761&in_page_id=1770). :nope:
Those sad acts still here!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
That crap only came around back in the 80's to get out of paying poll tax.
B5 was an awesome show...the program Celestia has some cool add-ons to place the ships in B5 out in the galaxy...I have loaded Zahadum and the shadows around it...very cool show I miss it...sniff sniff.:cry:
tycho102
11-19-06, 04:31 PM
Like the UN, the Jedi Knights are peacekeepers and we feel we have the basic right to express our religion through wearing our robes, and to be recognised by the national and international community.
Jesus wept. (John 11:35)
TteFAboB
11-19-06, 04:38 PM
Also I do not understand how these new series have better spaceships than the first series, which is after in the timeline. That chrome sleek spaceship in the Phantom Menace is just way out of timeline.:down:
Actually, that's something that makes complete sense. The first movies take place before the Empire is formed and power is centralized. By the time that happens progress, technology and science begin to decay. When the first original movie is set these have already been severely affected by the Imperial authoritarianism and the entire galaxy is drawn into a period of material, technical and intellectual recession. So in Episode 1 you get those beautiful Nubian ships displaying all the richness and technological progress of Naboo, but in the second trilogy the Rebels need to rely on shipyards that are distant and weaker in comparison to those that still remain operational in the Imperial coreland, which in turn have no competition to drive progress, though large and capable of mass production the quality of their ships is lacking as is the technological level. A galaxy firmly ruled by a Dark Sith Lord shouldn't exactly thrive in creativity, innovation and progress should it?
If you notice the ship's designs: The Star Destroyers are a mere "evolution" of the Republican ships seen in the first movies, they're like the Battleships of WW2 which were an evolution from the models of WW1 but not a new class of vessels in themselves such as the Carriers. Already outdated for the present warfare but still being produced, these ships are no match for small fighters with torpedoes. The Super Star Destroyer is a propaganda machine more than a super-weapon: it's the flag-ship of the fleet, most of the time it will carry the fleet's Admiral, it is exactly like the KMS Bismarck of WW2. Remember that the Empire must keep an entire galaxy under control, you can kill the people, but what good is a razed planet? Somebody must survive to serve you, and those that are kept alive will be impressed and pacified by propaganda and fear of quick and harsh reprisals for their uprising, exactly like the real world from the times of Rome to Nazi Germany to present time.
About the incompetence of the Imperial Star Destroyer, Captains crashing on each other, just take a look at the Russian officers of the Sino-Russo war. Captains breaking the line, turning too soon, turning too late, never turning, falling into ambushes, traps, low training, the list goes on. Incompetence is no stranger to real navies. If you noticed Darth Vader has a knack for choking officers that fail their mission and promoting the next ranking officer instantly on the spot. After a while this rule by terror will elevate not the capable and skilled officers, but the ones who are willing to lie, hide facts and do whatever is necessary to keep their position or accomplish their mission, to remain alive, including eliminating opposition, eliminating promising recruits or using them as baits or on suicide missions, the cunning, the treacherous, the liar, will rise. Again this is no stranger to the real world, take a look at Stalin's purge and its consequences on the quality of the Red Army.
Still a thumb down? Star Wars may be a boring movie for your well-educated and cultured standards but I find these examples more than didactive, unless you're willing to tell me how else can a kid grasp or even have the interest for these subjects from an early age so that when they reach their teens they can avoid being fooled by the Sith and the power-hungry.
Wim Libaers
11-19-06, 06:05 PM
The reason why it was like that in the movies (and tv) is because the battles would be far less exciting to watch. Far better if you can see both sides at the same time duking it out.
The same happens in RTS games. The ranged weapons usually have very short ranges compared with unit sizes.
The Empire strikes back (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=416761&in_page_id=1770). :nope:
Those sad acts still here!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
That crap only came around back in the 80's to get out of paying poll tax.
If it works, why didn't everyone convert? :hmm:
Perilscope
11-19-06, 06:17 PM
Actually, that's something that makes complete sense...
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Makes sense what you said; after all you are the expert on this one. We all know what your username means. :D
The Empire strikes back (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=416761&in_page_id=1770). :nope:
Those sad acts still here!!! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
That crap only came around back in the 80's to get out of paying poll tax.
If it works, why didn't everyone convert? :hmm:
It was something to do with a loop hole in the law anyway after the poll tax riots the tax was scrapped and replaced with the council tax which we still got today.
HunterICX
11-20-06, 06:01 AM
you know what bugs me the most about action movies.
the good guys!
1.They evade bullets like no-one, while evading bullets with crazy jumps and diving they seem to be able too shoot the enemy with a single bullet in the head.
2.the Car they shoot always goes up with a big bang. in some cases I find that ridiculious...why do they always blow up when the damage done on it is very comon in traffic accidents.
3. and this pisses me off...it seem that this Hero figure kicks everyones ass of the bad guys side...but when it comes to the final fight...the Hero gets his ass kicked by the Big Bad Dude so badly that it becomes a dramatic scene of defeat...and then the Dramatic comeback! he suddently opens his eyes...his face covered with blood...1 eye closed, his body must have at least a lot of broken bones...and he still manage to kill the Big bad dude on an impossible way.
Ow yeah dont forget the Hero's girfriend ''the crying slut'' because when the hero comes out of the big bad guys hide-out (that will be on fire and things explode in his back'' she will be there...crying and then in a slo-mo love run to eachother you see her cry like never before.
God...action movies - lack of realism!
Yeah and lets not forget the heroine who never stays where she was told and manages to get captured forcing the hero to not only complete the mission but rescue her at the same time.
HunterICX
11-20-06, 11:04 AM
Yeah and lets not forget the heroine who never stays where she was told and manages to get captured forcing the hero to not only complete the mission but rescue her at the same time.
:yep: Yep. and the wife of the hero, she always gets into some sort of trouble,
and sometimes she even dies...my Puke moment when I see the face expresion of the Hero ''BOOOHOOOHOOOO WHY!!! WHY!!!!!'' camera flies into the air focused on the Hero there crying out loud.
and then comes the best part...the Hero's unatural Rage like he is powering up as a Saiyin (Dragonball Z) and because this happens at the end...the hero enters the lair of the enemy building kicks ass about 100 vilians . really..bah!
The reason I like movies of historical events like ''Alexander the Great'' good movie btw...realistic enough for me to enjoy it.
The reason I like movies of historical events like ''Alexander the Great'' good movie btw...realistic enough for me to enjoy it.
Richard Burton did do a great job in the lead role.
Marcantilan
11-20-06, 04:49 PM
I always wonder about the benefits of laser guns in those sci fi movies.
As you see, lasers seems to have 1) low muzzle velocity, and thus the good and bad guys could dodge the beams, 2) low rounds per minute rate, and 3) laser beams seems to be "all tracer".
IMHO, I think I could kick some a$$ in the Star Wars universe with an ol´fashioned m249 machine gun. :hmm:
I always wonder about the benefits of laser guns in those sci fi movies.
As you see, lasers seems to have 1) low muzzle velocity, and thus the good and bad guys could dodge the beams, 2) low rounds per minute rate, and 3) laser beams seems to be "all tracer".
IMHO, I think I could kick some a$$ in the Star Wars universe with an ol´fashioned m249 machine gun. :hmm:
Lasers travel at the speed of light. No dodging them.
Rockstar
11-20-06, 05:57 PM
Hey how come a great and all powerful planet killer like the Death Star in the Star Wars movie New Hope had to wait for a plant (Yavin) to get out of the way so it could destroy it's moon (yavin 4) that held the secret rebel base. If it was the moon of Yavin then it's orbit was around the planet, destroy the planet the moon would go spinning off into oblivion. There ends the movie and those stinking dirty rebels are eliminated, order restored to the empire and on to conquer bigger and better things. :arrgh!:
Marcantilan
11-20-06, 08:08 PM
I always wonder about the benefits of laser guns in those sci fi movies.
As you see, lasers seems to have 1) low muzzle velocity, and thus the good and bad guys could dodge the beams, 2) low rounds per minute rate, and 3) laser beams seems to be "all tracer".
IMHO, I think I could kick some a$$ in the Star Wars universe with an ol´fashioned m249 machine gun. :hmm:
Lasers travel at the speed of light. No dodging them.
Yes, I know that. But in the sci fi movies lasers have the speed of a donkey cart.
Hey how come a great and all powerful planet killer like the Death Star in the Star Wars movie New Hope had to wait for a plant (Yavin) to get out of the way so it could destroy it's moon (yavin 4) that held the secret rebel base. If it was the moon of Yavin then it's orbit was around the planet, destroy the planet the moon would go spinning off into oblivion. There ends the movie and those stinking dirty rebels are eliminated, order restored to the empire and on to conquer bigger and better things. :arrgh!:
Now that is a good point, why the heck the Death Star did not blast that planet away could it had been to big? :hmm:
HunterICX
11-21-06, 06:06 AM
Hey how come a great and all powerful planet killer like the Death Star in the Star Wars movie New Hope had to wait for a plant (Yavin) to get out of the way so it could destroy it's moon (yavin 4) that held the secret rebel base. If it was the moon of Yavin then it's orbit was around the planet, destroy the planet the moon would go spinning off into oblivion. There ends the movie and those stinking dirty rebels are eliminated, order restored to the empire and on to conquer bigger and better things. :arrgh!:
Now that is a good point, why the heck the Death Star did not blast that planet away could it had been to big? :hmm:
Note: Alway the Bad side invent a big ass gun that can destroy things in an Instant. but always JUST BEFORE IT WILL FIRE, the good side manages to destroy it in a miracle way just seconds before it will fire, same as with defusing bombs...always the last 10 seconds!
that drives me mad...I want to see a planet to blow up...but Mr.Luke screws it up....
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