Alleged Russian Spy Caught in Canada

[AG124]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/11/16/espionage-mtl.html

:o What is this all about? Is Russia still spying on us, even though the Cold War is over and the Soviet Union has collapsed? And why would they bother spying on Canada? (It's not like we're one of the greatest military powers in the world:cool:). Or maybe it's just a mistake.

BTW - This wasn't posted here before, was it?

[Perilscope]

And why would they bother spying on Canada? (It's not like we're one of the greatest military powers in the world:cool:).
Canada isn't the greatest power, and probably will never be. However Canada has many technological companies way ahead of Russian counterpart, and worth spying on. Russia does that to all G7 countries, and even non G7.
That's how they managed to do many things up to date. If it wasn't for spying, Russia would still be in the 70's in terms of military technology, they simply don't have the means for the research, and that is extra money. They can hardly nourish their people evenly coast to coast, their PPP is 62nd in the world. :-?

[Kapitan]

Theres alot russia can spy on canada is just one of many countries and yes spying still goes on.

[Dowly]

So, somewhere there´s a 007 chasing the bad guys? :cool:

[kiwi_2005]

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/11/16/espionage-mtl.html

:o What is this all about? Is Russia still spying on us, even though the Cold War is over and the Soviet Union has collapsed? And why would they bother spying on Canada? (It's not like we're one of the greatest military powers in the world:cool:). Or maybe it's just a mistake.

BTW - This wasn't posted here before, was it?

It aint no mistake. Even NZ gets spied on and were a threat to no one.:ping:

[The Noob]

[/URL]Is Russia still spying on us, even though the Cold War is over and the Soviet Union has collapsed?
Thats what we wantet you to think, MUHAHAHAHA!!!

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=YIRT7HWEXnA (http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/11/16/espionage-mtl.html)

:lol:

[XabbaRus]

I just love how people seem surprised that Russia still spies on the west just because teh Cold war is over. No on estopped spying on anyone. Everyone spies on everyone else.

The US on the UK, the UK on France etc...

I disagree with Perilscope about how the Soviets lacked funds for research, there whole setup was geared to military research, they lagged behind in some areas of electronics mainly semiconductor research but to say they would have stayed in the 70's without spying is over egging the pudding. There are/were numerous areas where they were ahead.

Also there is teh question of pragmatism. Why spend millions researching what someone else has when you can just steal it, study it and in some areas improve on it.

Don't think the UK never did that on ol' Uncle Sam.

[AG124]

Ah, I see now.:hmm: I can see the spies are being deported in the present age - I think I have read of spies being deported from various countries during the Cold War as well. Would it have ever been common (either during the Cold War or now) for them to have been executed?

[waste gate]

Wasn't there a submarine type who spied on the US for Isreal?
As has been said every nation spies on every other nation, peace time relations or not.

[August]

Ah, I see now.:hmm: I can see the spies are being deported in the present age - I think I have read of spies being deported from various countries during the Cold War as well. Would it have ever been common (either during the Cold War or now) for them to have been executed?

They have value in trades. The US and USSR used to trade their captive spies all the time. Gary Powers is one example.

[waste gate]

Ah, I see now.:hmm: I can see the spies are being deported in the present age - I think I have read of spies being deported from various countries during the Cold War as well. Would it have ever been common (either during the Cold War or now) for them to have been executed?

Absolutley, the Rosenbergs, although treason was the charge. Benedict Arnold for the same reason. Expulsions for espionage is more common with the UN in NYC and many embassies in DC. It works both ways however, there have been many fueds where countries expell each others diplomats over espionage.

[XabbaRus]

Also there is an unwrtten rule that you don't bump each other spies off and I think that goes for execution too.

Look at the Cambridge five. I suppose under treason laws they could have been shot but sometimes it is worth letting them go just to see who they go to.

I think that sometimes they might let a spy continue his spying to see who their contact is they just let him see wrong information that he and the enemy whoever it is thinks is right.

[Kapitan]

everyone spies on everyone else simple fact of life you do it every day so countries do it to each other

[AG124]

I just wonder, does anyone know if Canada itself is spying on anyone else? Are there any reports of Canadian spies in other countries? Or are we too weak and complacent?:oops:

[August]

I just wonder, does anyone know if Canada itself is spying on anyone else? Are there any reports of Canadian spies in other countries? Or are we too weak and complacent?:oops:

Surely Canada has an intelligence service?

[tycho102]

everyone spies on everyone else simple fact of life you do it every day so countries do it to each other
I blame the Zionists. It's a Zionist conspiracy. They took over the Illuminati. It's a bunch of fat, rich Jews sitting around drinking Manishevitz and eating olives, trying to figure out how to gain more power. Without having to leave the protective confines of their beloved Zion because it is the center of all culture and affluence. (<---- Jewish parody)

Seriously, though. Putin is a strange one. On the one hand, you cannot just institute voting in a nation and call it a success. You have to to literate your population, increase productivity such that people have time to pay attention to politics, and then you have got to increase communication such that people find it profitable to discuss politics. China is going about it the right way. God knows I wish we had done things after World War II the way China is going about it. China has been preventing it's yellow-bellied cowards from breeding out of control, but giving people incentive to achieve and "own" property.

Putin wants a Venezula-like dictatorship, with the benefits of an anti-American niche. It's a "niche" that so many others are attempting to profit from, it's not going to be long before they are actively competing against one another.



So, the "Cold War" has ended, but Russia isn't anywhere near an ally.

[Perilscope]

...they lagged behind in some areas of electronics mainly semiconductor research...So name a few things that Russia is ahead of the USA or allies? Maybe you will come up with a bigger list than what I have below: :D

1- Precision bombing(GBU, SB) = Russia behind
2- Night Vision technologies = Russia slightly behind
3- Engines (all areas) = Russia behind
4- Metal alloys = Russia behind
5- Fly by Wire(FBWS) = Russia behind
6- Electronic Combat(ECR) = Russia behind
7- Stealth technologies = Russia way behind
8- Avionics = Russia slightly behind
9- Laser technologies = Russia slightly behind
10- Smart Bullets = Russia way behind
11- Pure electronics = Russia behind
And the list goes on...

As far I am concerned, the above mentioned are very important and key elements in military superiority. Compared to Russia being ahead for the biggest Nuke, biggest rocket booster, chemical bombs, bigger guns and weird prototypes designed to impress but never hit production...

And in the real combat zone, they are still behind in the joint tactical information distribution systems method, which nowadays, it's all about that, they can't afford to modernize.

Without reverse engineering our technologies, Russia would simply not be where they are now.
In present days, that they would be in the 60's 70 or 80's, it doesn't matter; it's just a way to say they are behind. The point is they are behind in key elements fault of research, which they never had the money for it anyway without compromising the prosperity in all economical area, not only militarily.

Apart for a few big cities which are "fairly" up do date, Russia is still largely a farming country in which many people live in deplorable conditions. The US, GB, France, Germany, Italy and Japan hardly has what Russia has in terms of natural resources, yet they managed to advance well ahead of Russia in practically all areas, and that means militarily and well being of the people, both at the same time. :up:

[sonar732]

Looking around for Kapitan's response to the above post...:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::arrgh!::arrgh!::o:o

[kiwi_2005]

Wasn't there a submarine type who spied on the US for Isreal?
As has been said every nation spies on every other nation, peace time relations or not.

Yes our intelligence have known for decades that australia are jealous of our sheep population! :arrgh!:

[The Avon Lady]

Wasn't there a submarine type who spied on the US for Isreal?
As has been said every nation spies on every other nation, peace time relations or not.

Yes our intelligence have known for decades that australia are jealous of our sheep population! :arrgh!:
And of England's sushi (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417248&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490)! :doh:

[XabbaRus]

Well I'll give you some of those but a couple I disagree with

AMetal Alloys, Russia incested a lot of time and effort in those areas, you don't build all titanium alloy subs without metal research which filters in other areas.

Air to Air missile technology where were NATO when Russia was fielding the AA-11 Archer and AA-10 Alamo long range active and passive A2A missile. Hmm Sparrow and Sidewinder.

Laser technologies I would say Russia is at the same leve, once again a lot of research was poured into this area. I remember watching a documentary on the USSR's star wars program including their research with X-ray lasers.

General rocket technology.

Besides the Russians are catching up.

I don't deny that the Russians stole much stuff, but you make it out as if they are incapable of innovating and creating technologies in their own right.

And Russia being a Farming country...eh? Poor, yes, bad conditions, yes but "few" up to date cities? How many would that be? Two three? I have seen many more than that during my travels there. In fact rather surprising how many up to date cities there are.

[Perilscope]

I don't deny that the Russians stole much stuff, but you make it out as if they are incapable of innovating and creating technologies in their own right.XabbaRus, I don't think Russia is incapable, I actually admire some of their stuff more than the rest. For example, apart for the Typhoon and Tornado, my favorite military aircrafts are mostly Russian, like the: Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, Su-35 and S-37, I would take them over the F-14 or F/A-18 anytime. And another thing too, I always preferred the Buran over the American space shuttle and admired their crazy idea of flying it from a distance, and I would take the Energiya booster over the USA's boosters anytime. I also always liked the AK's over the M-16 and many others things.

And if we speak outside of the military world, if we all remember, it was Fyodorov that truly brought to light the development of the eye laser surgery, the USA only took interest in the same way of doing ten years later.

And I have Russian blood too, so I have special love for Russia, I am adopted by Italians yes, but my real father is from Russia(moved to Hungary at young age, then Canada at the age of 16, and had me):D

BTW just to let you know that I am not an anti-Russian person, I just think the lack of money and bad ideology made that country sink to low levels...:-? Still I am proud of my heritage. :yep:

[XabbaRus]

That's cool. It is just as you understand that you get alot of people poo pooing Russia out of hand.

I personally blame Brezhnev. Kruschev set up Akadem gorodok outside Novosibirsk to use his scientists to research many areas so as to boost the civilian economy. Brezhnev changed all that.

I agree with you about Buran. Closer to what I think the original US shuttle was supposed to have been.

[tycho102]

I guess there's a Rusky in London that has been poisoned (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/998e2766-77ff-11db-be09-0000779e2340.html). Boy, I tell you what. There are a bunch of strange deaths surrounding Putin, kind of like all the ones that surround the Clintons.

The Red Mob is probably involved, either in everything or a majority. I don't know if Putin could maintan control if he didn't cooperate with them. I don't know enough, nor am I cleared for access to the information, about the issues involved with modern day Russia. Seeing how every surrounding region is fracturing along ethic lines, it's entirely probably that Putin is attempting to hold together as much of the country as possible in order to prevent a relapse of communism. And it's possible he is taking steps to retain his power.

I have more questions than answers. But at any rate, the poisoning of this London guy is highly suspicious.

[Kapitan]

Sounds like old KGB or FSB agents

[XabbaRus]

Putin I don't have a problem with, some of the guys surrounding him I do.

I'm not entirely sure how much Putin pulls the strings. I also think he is sincere in that he wants Russia to be great again, however not in a confrontational way. As always with Russia you need to look behind the mirrors and read between the lines.

[The Avon Lady]

Putin I don't have a problem with, some of the guys surrounding him I do.
I beg to differ: Symposium: To Kill a Russian Journalist (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=25541).

[Perilscope]

^^^ I read that one of is first duties when he was in the KGB, was "suppressing dissident activities in Leningrad."

I guess you just can't rid of old manners...j/K :D

[Konovalov]

The only news in the UK yesterday was the ex KGB officer who was allegedly poisoned in London. It must have been a very slow news day because Sky ran constant coverage on this all through Sunday evening. :damn:

[waste gate]

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/06/front2454064.060416667.html

The United States has charged a leading military engineer with transferring classified information to China, Israel and other countries.
A federal grand jury in Honolulu has indicted Noshir Gowadia for allegedly sending military secrets to China, Germany, Israel and Switzerland. The 18-count federal indictment handed up Nov. 15 does not detail the charges. Gowadia, a 62-year-old engineer who worked for 18 years at Northrop Grumman, could face the death penalty. His trial was expected to begin in January 2007 in Honolulu.

[nightdagger]

XabbaRus, I don't think Russia is incapable, I actually admire some of their stuff more than the rest. For example, apart for the Typhoon and Tornado, my favorite military aircrafts are mostly Russian, like the: Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, Su-35 and S-37, I would take them over the F-14 or F/A-18 anytime. And another thing too, I always preferred the Buran over the American space shuttle and admired their crazy idea of flying it from a distance, and I would take the Energiya booster over the USA's boosters anytime. I also always liked the AK's over the M-16 and many others things.

And if we speak outside of the military world, if we all remember, it was Fyodorov that truly brought to light the development of the eye laser surgery, the USA only took interest in the same way of doing ten years later.

And I have Russian blood too, so I have special love for Russia, I am adopted by Italians yes, but my real father is from Russia(moved to Hungary at young age, then Canada at the age of 16, and had me):D

BTW just to let you know that I am not an anti-Russian person, I just think the lack of money and bad ideology made that country sink to low levels...:-? Still I am proud of my heritage. :yep:
I agree. Russia's problem is that firms like Sukhoi develop kick-ass technology but then 2 seconds later the Russian government turns around and says that they can't pay for it. As for the AK, it is a great weapon, probably one of the most reliable in the world, but guess what it's based on? The M1 Garand...you know, America's primary service rifle in World War II.

[Wim Libaers]

I agree. Russia's problem is that firms like Sukhoi develop kick-ass technology but then 2 seconds later the Russian government turns around and says that they can't pay for it. As for the AK, it is a great weapon, probably one of the most reliable in the world, but guess what it's based on? The M1 Garand...you know, America's primary service rifle in World War II.
Sure about that? Usually it is said to be (loosely) based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 and 45.

[Perilscope]

Sure about that? Usually it is said to be (loosely) based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 and 45.
LOL, either way, it was based on spying. :D

[joea]

Sure about that? Usually it is said to be (loosely) based on the German Sturmgewehr 44 and 45. LOL, either way, it was based on spying. :D

Errr, no it was based on wartime experience and certainly captured examples of the Stg 44 and 45 (no need to spy for that) as well as the Garand. I mean what's new or strange about taking good design elements from other companies, countries etc? I don't usually like wikepedia but this quote says it best.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#Design_concept

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Cquote1.png/20px-Cquote1.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cquote1.png)The operating mechanism of the Kalashnikov family of weapons is basically very similar to that of the US M1 and M14 rifles and M1/M2 carbines. In fact, as is often the case in a successful weapon design, there is little new about the individual elements of Kalashnikov’s design; the inventor’s accomplishment was in the recombination of known elements into a compact, reliable and durable package. —Ed Ezell (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ed_Ezell&action=edit)

[TteFAboB]

I mean what's new or strange about taking good design elements from other companies, countries etc?

Stalinism.

[Perilscope]

...(no need to spy for that)...
The thread title is about spying, just adding a little sarcasm. :88)