The Exorcism of Emily Rose

[kiwi_2005]

Anyone seen it. Just watched the movie apparently this happen between 1972 to 1975 to a young god fearing christian who ended up possesed by demons. The movie tho has its hollywood moments and was not set in the 1970's.

religous side to it:
Real name Anneliese Michel She claimed she had 6 demons tormenting her , Judas Iscariot, Nero, Cain, Hitler, and Fleischmann, a disgraced Frankish Priest from the 16th century, and Lucifer which had manifested through her.

Medical side to it:
A neurologist at the Psychiatric Clinic Wurzburg diagnosed her with "Grand Mal" epilepsy. Because of the strength of the epileptic fits, and the severity of the depression that followed, Anneliese was admitted for treatment at the hospital.

real story here:
http://www.fotofetch.com/

[jumpy]

Yay another triumph of religion in the care of one with a severe mental illness :D
My better half has been on about seeing this one, not really my cup of tea though... where's the explosions, eh? Mind you I did make her watch "Come and See", as revenge for her last movie choice- "The Devils Rejects".

Was this one any good then, asside from those hollywood moments?

[kiwi_2005]

:D
If you like court room drama movies then yes, its mainly about the prosecution of the Priest that performed the exorcism on her with scenes of her and how it all happened as the case goes on. - because she died, he was charged for neglet even tho her family and Emily agreed to the exorcism.

It has its moments of her in her devilish ways, and some freaky bits too :) The movie gives the viewer two sides to the story - either she was just very mentality ill or she was possessed by demons: Yet i like what they said in one line - a mentality ill person thinks they are normal like everyone else where possessed ppl know theirs something wrong and seek help

[Dowly]

I hated the movie! Why she had to scream every 2 seconds!!?? :damn:

[I-25]

i couldn't stop laughing when i saw it!:rotfl:

[STEED]

If I wanted to see rubbish, I would nip up to my local rubbish dump.

PS: it's also free. :p :p

[kiwi_2005]

:D

Okay i get the picture!

[Dowly]

:D

Okay i get the picture!

Khihihiihiii ;)

[kiwi_2005]

Well okay you all think the movie sucks. Yet do you's believe. ?

Exorcism has been around since christanity began. Priests have been doing it for centuries, and still are asked to exorcise to this day. Jesus deciples had the power to chase out demons. So why not God fearing Priests?

Hell is fire and suphur, on record every victim that has claimed to been possess and lived through it have said a strange burning smell of suphur was always present.

Can a person be possessed? I believe so. Medical side of it is they are just crazy/sick etc., But these possessed victims all claim they are not well they know theirs something not right. On the other hand A mad person does not think they are mad but normal like everyone else.

:dead: :D

[TarJak]

Kiwi, that is a pretty broad statement. having a little experience in the field of psychiatric health I have both read and come into contact with a number of mentally ill people who know there is something wrong but don;t know how to explain it. One of the common explanations particularly in deeply religious patients is that they are possessed.



Until someone comes up with one shred of physical evidence for possession I'm sorry I can't believe.

[Konovalov]

Until someone comes up with one shred of physical evidence for possession I'm sorry I can't believe.

Linda Blair. :-j :D

[Iceman]

Until someone comes up with one shred of physical evidence for possession I'm sorry I can't believe.

Sounds familiar...Kiwi I thought you would know better.If you are a creature that is running the show or trying to gain control of it from behind the scenes would you show everyone who you are or wait until the final act to spring it....or the other side of the coin...the proof of God's power or exsistence.... An evil and wicked generation seeketh a sign and none shall be given except the sign of Jonah.

P.S. I saw the movie....Cast not thy pearls before the swine.

[kiwi_2005]

Iceman you being a christain i thought you would agree? Did not Jesus chase out demons? and his deciples do the same. Or because this is modern times with scientific theories it must therefore be some brain disorder. Last recorded exorcism was in 2004 in Itali by catholic priests. If it was happening 2000 odd yrs ago why can it not still happen today.

[kiwi_2005]

If you are a creature that is running the show or trying to gain control of it from behind the scenes would you show everyone who you are or wait until the final act to spring it....or the other side of the coin...the proof of God's power or exsistence.... An evil and wicked generation seeketh a sign and none shall be given except the sign of Jonah.



Does not satan works to fool us, near the end she claimed she saw the mother mary, work of satan - the mother mary is a false prophet - their is nothing important about Mother Mary yet catholics pray to her. The devil fool her into thinking Mother Mary came to her. Now many catholics visit her grave and have it as a shrine. Satans job was completed.

[Konovalov]

If it was happening 2000 odd yrs ago why can it not still happen today.

If people branded as witches were being burned alive at the stake 500 odd years ago why can it not still happen today. ;) ;)

[Safe-Keeper]

Well okay you all think the movie sucks. Yet do you's believe. ?In demons? Nope. In God? Nope. In Jesus? I highly doubt he even existed.

No solid evidence for either but books and purported miracles.

Exorcism has been around since christanity began. Priests have been doing it for centuries, and still are asked to exorcise to this day. Jesus deciples had the power to chase out demons. So why not God fearing Priests?So because a book says that a person who maybe did not even exist could drive out demons, priests today can, too?

Hell is fire and suphur, on record every victim that has claimed to been possess and lived through it have said a strange burning smell of suphur was always present.In ancient times many cultures, from the Aztecs to the English to the Japanese, believed in dragons. Most of them described them the same way. Do dragons exist?

They all reported the sulphuric smell, oh wow. So they possess the demonic ability to read and thus understand what they're expected to say they remember from their "possession".

OK, so I saw a UFO yesterday. It was... [looks up UFO_Nutters.sux] ...saucer-shaped and moved erratically. See, my statement matches the millions of other testimonies. I speak truth:p!

Can a person be possessed? I believe so. Medical side of it is they are just crazy/sick etc., But these possessed victims all claim they are not well they know theirs something not right.Oh, wow. They know something is wrong, so they're possessed. Splendid reasoning.

My best friend's got this really bad lung disease. It's got the symptoms of asthma, only much stronger. The doctors can't figure out what it is, so clearly she's in the claws of the flying spaghetti monster's evil cousin, the wicked rolling baked potato (pardon my rudeness, I'm possessed by Richard Dawkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Root_of_All_Evil%3F)).

On the other hand A mad person does not think they are mad but normal like everyone else.That is a very broad, generalizing statement.

What does "mad" mean? Which psychiatric illnesses does it encompass? Every single one from depression and phobias to anorexia and MDD, or just the "crazy" ones like schizophrenia?

You sound like a person who's read that there aren't always visible symptoms of cancer, and then goes on to say that "a person who's caught a virus, bacteria infection, or other kind of physical illness doesn't know he's ill".

And as a side note, this is one of the good reasons why psychiatry shouldn't be neglected in the school curriculum. A more stereotyped and stigmatized phenomenon you'll be hard pressed to find.

Until someone comes up with one shred of physical evidence for possession I'm sorry I can't believe.:yep:

Let's say I see the aftermath of a car accident (two crashed cars, ambulance chopper idling on the grass by the road, paramedics helping wounded motorist, and so on). I don't know what came before the accident, and the people at the scene tell me to move along. The newspaper the next day is not helpful, either, it's just "one injured in motor accident, this location, that time".

So - if I am to tell someone about this, what do I say?
I saw a traffic accident yesterday. There were these two cars smashed up, and a person injured. What happened? I don't know.
Funniest thing happened yesterday. I came down x street by bus and I saw that God had created two car wrecks on the road. He'd spawned this injured man, too...The process of killing of "demons" who "possess" humans, along with the "curing" of homosexuals, are just two more sings that certain followers of mythology just haven't realized this isn't 1 CE anymore.

Or because this is modern times with scientific theories it must therefore be some brain disorder. No, it must be some brain disorder because scientific evidence tells us so. Take me. No demons in my head, just chemical imbalances.

Did you know where the word "flu", or "influenza" comes from? It's an old form of "influence". See, the ancient Romans, I think it was, believed that when you came down with the flu, it was because you were possessed by evil spirits or some other form of negative influence. Do you know this to not be true? After all, I can imagine that many methods the Romans used to heal the flu-infected might have worked to them.

Did not the Romans chase out the influence? Or because this is modern times with scientific theories it must therefore be some "flu virus".

[kiwi_2005]

GWB has got it all wrong then!!! This war is not Good over Evil it is Good over Madness!!!;)


I'm sitting on the fence. Whats wrong here is ppl think i mean if you suffer from some mental illness you could be possessed, (my bad) not so far from it, im saying their are some cases where they have tried everything in medical terms yet the victim is showing no signs of recovery, Emily Rose was one such victim. (I doubt many patients break crosses curse God/Jesus, eat spiders & coal & claim they are demonised, alot probably do but they wouldn't claim they are possessed unless they are possessed?:hmm:

[kiwi_2005]

What would of been this guys mental condition then? Died went to a place spoke to God came back. Was this some brain malfunction while he was dead? Or could this have really happened.

This is the testimony of an ex-atheist after being dead for 15 minutes and back to his body. He has become a true born Christian.

One night while diving for lobster on the small Island of Mauritius I was stung on my forearm by 5 Box-Jellyfish, which the local Creole fishermen called "invisables" A sting from a Box-Jellyfish often proves to be fatal - as exemplified in Australia where 70 people are known to have died from their stings. Many books quote this particular type of Jellyfish to be among the most venomous creatures in the world. By the time an ambulance arrived my body was totally paralyzed and necrosis had begun to set into my bone marrow. On route to the hospital I began to see my life flash before me. At this point of my life I was an atheist - but I knew I was nearly dead and I didn't know if there was life after death or whether there was just nothing. As I lay there dying, I saw my mother in a vision praying for me, encouraging me to cry out to God from my heart and He would hear me and forgive me (my mother was the only Christian in our family.) I didn't know what to pray and cried out that if God was real, could He help me to pray. Immediately God showed me the Lord’s Prayer, and for the first time in my life I prayed from my heart and gave my life to the Lord.

Death & Hell

The ambulance stopped and they placed me in a wheel chair and raced me into the hospital. The nurse took my blood pressure twice but could not find a pulse as my veins had collapsed. The doctors tried to save my life by injecting anti-toxins and dextrose into my body, but seemingly to no avail. Within a few minutes I seemed to slip away (apparently life ceased from my body for a period of approx. 15 minutes).

During this time I found myself in a very dark place, not realizing where I was. So I tried to find a light switch, thinking I was still in the hospital - but as I reached out into the dark I couldn't touch anything. Reaching to touch my face I found my hand go straight through it. It seemed so bizarre, as I knew I was standing there but couldn't touch any part of my physical body.

As I stood there I began to sense that this wasn't just a physical darkness but that there was something else there. I could feel a cold eerie feeling as though something or someone was looking at me - a spiritual darkness. From the darkness I began to hear men’s voices screaming at me telling me to "shut up" - "that I deserved to be there" - "that I was in Hell". I couldn't believe it, but as I stood there a radiant beam of light shone through the darkness and immediately began to lift me upward. I found myself being translated up into an incredibly brilliant beam of pure white light - it seemed to be emanating from a circular opening far above me (I felt like a speck of dust being drawn up into a beam of sunlight).

The Journey I entered this opening to find myself inside a long narrow passageway or tunnel - at the far end of the tunnel I could see the source of the light - it was so radiant that it looked to be the centre of the universe. As I continued to look towards this light it seemed to draw me towards it at an incredible speed - I wasn't walking but was being translated along this tunnel towards the source of this light. I watched as a wave of light broke off the source and moved up the tunnel towards me - as it passed through me I could feel a wave of warmth and comfort flood my soul … it was incredible. This light wasn't just physical, but was giving off a living emotion … Halfway down another wave of light - this time it gave off pure peace - followed by another wave - of pure joy. Coming out of the end of this tunnel I found myself standing in the presence of awesome light and power - it seemed as though even the constellations in the universe must find their energy source from this focal point.

As I stood there I wondered to myself if this was just an energy source in the universe or if perhaps there could be someone standing in the midst of this light!!!!! A voice immediately responded to my thought and asked me "Ian, do you wish to return?" Return, I thought!!! Where am I??? As I looked over my shoulder I could see the tunnel going back into darkness.

The Light I thought - darkness - hospital bed - am I out of my body? - is this real? - am I standing here? - or am I in a coma having some bizarre dream? Am I in my body or out of my body?? (I could cognitively think of the two alternatives.) As I looked back towards the light, it was still there ... I responded "I don't know where I am, but if I am out of my physical body I wish to return." The voice responded "If you wish to return - you must see in a new light." "New light", I thought, "I'm seeing the light." "Are you the true light???" Words appeared in front of me "God is light and in Him is no darkness at all (1 John 1:5)." I had never read a Bible before in my life so I didn't know this was straight out of the scriptures. God is light, I thought - that is pure light - I see no darkness here, I have just come from darkness - I see no evil, no shadows - this is pure light - am I standing in the presence of God??? He knows my name and I didn't tell Him, only God could do that - He knows what I am thinking before I even speak, only God could do that. Then he must be able to see everything I have done wrong in my life ... no ... I don't want God to see that. I felt totally exposed and wanted to move away from the light and go back into the darkness where I belonged. I thought someone had made a mistake and brought the wrong person up. As I drew back towards the darkness a wave of light swept through me ... I felt pure unadulterated Love flow over me. Love I thought, how could God love me - I've taken his name in vain - I've slept around - I'm not a good man … but no matter what I said, waves of His unconditional Love continued to flow over me. I found myself weeping uncontrollably in His Presence. It was so amazing that He had totally forgiven me and accepted me as I was.

The waves of Love ceased and I wondered if I could possibly step into the light and see what God looked like. I was so close. ... I asked if I could step in. ..???.. I heard no response but thought if God could love me so much, He wouldn't mind …. As I stepped into the light I found myself disappear into it as it was so radiant - it had the intensity of laser light, yet you could look directly at it. The light seemed to absorb me into it - the centre seemed to be very bright so I aimed for it - I could feel a healing presence coming off this light that was healing my broken heart ... it was touching me deep inside my heart of hearts where no one gets to see … so beautiful.

God Suddenly it opened up in the centre and standing in front of me was the most awesome sight - I could see a man standing in front of me, but he was not like anyone I'd ever seen before in my life. His garments were shimmering white in color - garments of light - I could see His bare feet and His hands were outstretched towards me as if to welcome me. I knew I was looking upon God … as I looked toward His face the intensity of the light seemed to increase 7-fold - you couldn't make out the form of his face as the light was so bright - such purity, such holiness, such beauty. I asked God if I could step closer. I felt I could, I wanted to see His face. Moving closer waves of more Love began to flow towards me, and I felt very safe. Standing, now feet away, from the Lord I tried to see His face - but I didn't know that no man can see the face of God and live. And so, as I moved my face into the radiance that surrounded His face, He moved - and all His Glory moved with Him. Directly behind Him it opened out into a brand new World - green pastures, a crystal clear stream, rolling green hills to my right, mountains in the distance, blue skies above, to my left fields interspersed with trees and flowers. As I looked at the grass in front of me I could see the same light that was on the presence of God was radiating throughout this entire creation - totally untouched by man - perfect creation. And in my heart I knew I belonged here, that God had created me to live here - I knew I was home.

Return? I was just about to enter in and explore, when God stepped back in front of me, and asked me this question. "Now that you have seen - do you wish to step in or do you wish to return?" I thought, "I don't want to return. I wish to step in. I have no one to go back for and no one has ever loved me, all they've ever done is manipulate me and try to control me ... I have no one to go back for, I wish to step in." But God didn't move, so I looked back behind me to say "goodbye, cruel world", and standing behind me in a vision in front of the tunnel was my mother. And as soon as I saw her I knew that there was one person in my life that had shown me love, and that was my mother, and that she had prayed for me every day and tried to show me that this was the way. In my mind I thought, "if I am dead and I did choose to step into heaven, what would my mother think? Would she know I made it or would she think I went to Hell - because she knew I had no Faith? … I realized that it could break her heart and that she would have no reason to believe that God had heard my prayer in the ambulance and forgiven my sins. … I thought, "how can I do that to my mum, it would be so selfish" … and decided I wished to return.

God then spoke to me and said, "If I wished to return - I must see things in a new light." I understood that to mean that I must begin to see through his eyes of Love, Peace, Joy, Forgiveness, from His Heavenly perspective, not my temporary earthly perspective. Looking back towards the tunnel again I now could see a vision of all my family, and thousands and thousands of other people. I asked God who all these people were, and He told me that if I didn't return then many of these people would not get a chance to hear about Him….

I told God that I didn't know most of them and I didn't love them, but that I loved my mother and wished to return for her. God spoke to me and told me that He loved those people and wanted them all to come to know Him. I asked God how could I possibly return back down the tunnel and back into my hospital bed. He spoke and said "Son, tilt your head, now feel the liquid drain from your eye. Now open your eye and see." And I was immediately back in my physical body.

Back to earth As I opened my eye, I was lying back on a hospital bed with my right leg elevated, cupped in the hands of the young Indian doctor who had been trying to save my life. He had a scalpel or some sharp instrument in his hand and he was prodding the base of my foot like a dead piece of meat. He wasn't aware that I was looking at him. I thought, "what's that man doing with my foot, what is he doing with that knife!!!!!!" At the same time something seemed to spook the doctor and he quickly turned his head to see my right eye open, looking at him… Terror struck his face and I got the distinct impression that he has just seen a dead man looking at him… My eye wasn't moving much and I could see the doctor thinking to himself that perhaps he had hit a nerve in my foot and caused the corpse to twitch, and that he had the evil eye looking at him or something. As for me, I was trying to grapple with what I had just seen. … Did I just see God, has He just given my life back??? As I lay there I heard the voice of God say "Son, I have just given you your life back." I said if that is true God, could you help me to tilt my head to the left and look out of the other eye, as I was getting sick of looking at the doctor’s terrified face. Strength came back into my neck and I opened my left eye to see a whole bunch of nurses and orderlies standing in the doorway looking at me as if the dead had just risen … As my eye locked onto theirs they began to jump backwards out of the doorway. From what I can ascertain I had been dead for a period of some 15 minutes. I prayed to God that night and asked him to heal me and enable me to walk out of the hospital. That night God completely healed me and enabled me to walk out of the hospital the next day.

I asked God what I had become, as I found my entire life was changing for good. God told me I was a Re-Born Christian and that he wanted me to read His Bible. I had never read a Bible and had never heard about being Born-Again. Over the next 6 weeks I read the entire Bible. I have never been the same, and believe that I saw our Lord Jesus Christ in His Glorified form (Rev. 1 : 13 -18)

[Iceman]

Kiwi you silly...of course I believe in possessions.You must have misunderstood my reply....the part of the "Doubting Thomas'es" who can't believe until they SEE and Touch. Surley you have read the scripture...

Matthew 12
[43] When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
[44] Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
[45] Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


I believe the mental hospitals are probably full of alot of people who are not insane but are under the influence of demons.I have 2 friends actually who have "Died" and come back with flipping amazing stories and one is Born again and yet one still is haunted by and under the influence of drugs even knowing what he knows....that is to the last part of what I said about casting your pearls before the swine...

Many of the people on this board are of the world you are not....you are spiritual they are carnal...they CAN NOT understand the things of the spirit....therefore to offer more to them than the path to life, is like casting your pearls into a pig pen...Don't do that.They won't understand anyways until they have the "Key"...to decipher the things of the spirit...God made it this way...

Personally I think the Catholic religion is way of the mark when it comes to Christ but that is my own personal thing...I go by what Christ said.

Mark 9
[38] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
[39] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
[40] For he that is not against us is on our part.
[41] For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

It's ALL going to come out in the wash my friend. :) and if it don't it get's burnt.

[kiwi_2005]

Kiwi you silly...of course I believe in possessions.You must have misunderstood my reply....the part of the "Doubting Thomas'es" who can't believe until they SEE and Touch. Surley you have read the scripture...



Sorry yes i misunderstood. :damn:

But tis all good now :)