USS Sea Tiger
11-12-06, 04:17 AM
If ever your really bored and want to read the transcripts of his trial,, it is very good reading and some aspects quite damning. No side was perfect in its conduct during any war in history.
The main items they found to convict him were two.
(1) of was having his fleet ready and able to fight a war, which if he did not do, his own country should have sacked him.
and (2) knowingly using slave labor, Namely in building the U-boat pens. the Valentin pen mostly due to over 4000 forced labors dead during its construction. Doenitz states he had little knowedge of this,, but for a man who paid so much attention to details, and visited on many occasions these pens while being built, I think he had to know. But in defence of him, If slave labor was not used,, these all important defenses would have never been built and his U-boat fleet would have been in ruins much sooner. Damned if you do,, damned if you don't
Who is to say then what was correct, Morally yes, an easy answer,, but if it were your troops who would die to be morally correct, or your troops live and unknown forced laborers die, not many of us would stand and allow our own to die when there is a simple but morally wrong decision to be made.
stepping off the soap box for now.
U-94 diving deep and bracing for Wabbos
NightCrawler
11-12-06, 10:44 AM
I cant remember his name, but there is 1 U-boot captain, that torp a Brittish cargo ship or a DD, when he surfaced the water he watch the ship sinking, when Brittish people swimming toward him, the captain ordered open fire at brittish people, because he dont want casualities on his ship, and every montch will cost food...
so after the bloodchest, he reverse his boot and turn away, heading course to his mission...
All i know it was a VII Type U-boot...
As the rules of the Geneva, you can or may not open fire to unarms people, or even if they surrender.
But as captain, you deside what to do, and most captains dont listen of the rules of Geneva...
A part of Geneva rules is also, Officers can't not be killed unless he did something real bad like escaping a POW camp in Germany where many officers are fly-boys..
In WWII every german soldier is a member of the NSDAP, so is Dönitz.
Qoute from Wkipedia about Karl Dönitz
Dönitz was born in Grünau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%BCnau) near Berlin to Emil Dönitz and Anna Beyer). His father was an engineer. Karl had an older brother, Friedrich. In 1910, Dönitz enlisted in the German Imperial Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Imperial_Navy) (Kaiserliche Marine), becoming a sea-cadet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadet) (Seekadett) on April 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_4). On 15 April 1911 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911) he became a midshipman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midshipman) (Fähnrich zur See), the rank given to those who had served for one year as officer's apprentice and had passed their first examination.
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Karl Dönitz as a sub-lieutenant aboard U-39 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_39) in World War I
On 27 September 1913, Dönitz was commissioned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commissioned_officer) as an Acting Sub-Lieutenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_Sub-Lieutenant) (Leutnant zur See). When World War I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I) began, he served on the light cruiser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_cruiser) SMS Breslau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Breslau) in the Mediterranean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea). In August 1914, Breslau and the battlecruiser SMS Goeben (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_Goeben) were sold to the Ottoman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire) navy and began operating out of Constantinople (Istanbul) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul), under Rear Admiral Souchon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Souchon), engaging Russian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Russia) forces in the Black Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea). On 22 March 1916, Dönitz was promoted to sub-lieutenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Lieutenant) (Oberleutnant zur See). When the Breslau/Midilli put into dock for repairs, he was temporarily assigned as airfield commander at the Dardenelles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardenelles). From there he requested his transfer to the submarine forces, which became effective in October 1916. He served as watch officer on U 39, and from February 1918 onward as commander of UC 25. On 5 September 1918 he became commander of UC 68, operating in the Mediterranean. On 4 October 1918, this boat was sunk by British forces and Dönitz was taken prisoner.
He remained a prisoner of war in a British prison camp until his release in July 1919, and returned to Germany in 1920. Dönitz continued his naval career and became a Lieutenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant) (Kapitänleutnant) on 10 January 1921 in the new Vorläufige Reichsmarine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorl%C3%A4ufige_Reichsmarine), the naval arm of the Weimar Republic's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic) Armed Forces (Reichswehr (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichswehr)). He commanded torpedo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo) boats by 1928, becoming a lieutenant-commander (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lieutenant-Commander) (Korvettenkapitän) on 1 November of that year.
On 1 September 1933, Dönitz became a full commander (Fregattenkapitän), and in 1934 was put in command of the cruiser Emden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cruiser_Emden), the ship on which cadets and midshipmen took a year-long world cruise in preparation for a future officer's commission. The ship returned to Germany at Wilhelmshaven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelmshaven) in July 1935, and on 1 September Dönitz was promoted to Captain (Kapitän zur See) in the new Kriegsmarine. He wrote about the cruise in his autobiography. Dönitz was placed in command of the 1st U-boat flotilla Weddigen, which comprised three U-boats: U 7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_7), U 8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_8), and U 9 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unterseeboot_9). And also inexplicably, Z-10, this boat was in fact a U-boat but a Danish painter mis-spelt the letter U.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karl_D%C3%B6nitz&action=edit§ion=2)] Before World War II
After the Great War, Dönitz and some of his supporters would create a mythology of maverick submariners led by Dönitz waging a lonely, seemingly doomed, yet ultimately triumphant battle against the `big ship` fanatics embodied by Grand Admiral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Admiral) Erich Raeder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Raeder) naval commander in chief. Reality is somewhat more nuanced. throughout 1935 and 1936, Dönitz fully shared Raeder's misgivings regarding submarines. This owed to the Germans' immense overestimation of the British Asdic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asdic)'s capability. That mistake is the harder to fathom , given that the Germans' attempts to the develop a sonar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonar) system of their own had been plagued wih difficulties. In reality, during exercises the fabled Asdic only succeeded to detect submarines 1 time out of 10. It was in the words of Alan Hotham, British Director of Naval Intelligence, a "huge bluff". German doctrine at the time, fully backed by Dönitz, called for the submarines to be integrated with the surface fleet and employed against enemy warships and military transports, the exact same strategy that had proven utterly unworkable in the past. By November 37' however Dönitz had become convinced that a new major campaign against merchant shipping was entirely practical and began pressing for the conversion of the German fleet to one that would be made up almost entirely of u-boats. He advocated a strategy of attacking only merchant shipping, targets that were relatively safe to attack. He pointed out that destroying Britain's fleet of oil tankers would starve the Royal Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy) of supplies needed to run their ships, which would be just as effective as sinking them. He claimed that with a fleet of 300 of the newer Type VII U-boats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_VII_U-boat), Germany would knock Britain out of the war. In order to deal with the inevitable convoys and their escort ships, he revived the WW1 idea of grouping several subs together into a "wolf pack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_pack_%28submarines%29)," overwhelming the defence. In WW1 implementation was difficult due to the limitations of radio. This was no longer the case the less so since the Germans now had the use of ultra high frequency transmitters believed to be unavailable to everyone else, which made their radio communication unjammable while the Enigma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma) codemachine made them, or was believed to make them, hermetically secure. Dönitz also adopted Wilhelm Marschall's 1922 idea , naturally claiming the credit for it, of attacking the convoys using night surface, or very near surface, attacks. In the sonar age this tactic had the added advantage that at, or very near, the surface a submarine was undetectable by sonar.
At the time many, including Raeder, felt that such talk marked him as a weakling. Donitz was alone among senior naval officers, including some former submariners, to believe in a new submarine war on trade. The two constantly argued over funding priorities within the Navy, while at the same time fighting with Hitler's friends such as Hermann Göring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring) in the Luftwaffe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luftwaffe), who received much attention. Since the Kriegsmarine surface fleet was much smaller than Great Britain's Raeder believed any war with Britain in the near future would doom it to uselessness, commenting at one time that all they could hope to do was to die valiantly. He based his hopes on war's being delayed until the Navy's grandioze Z plan had expanded Germany's surface fleet to the point it could contend with the Royal Navy, though given that Raeder was sceptical of aircraft carriers dismissing them "only gasoline tankers", it is doubtable weather any amount of time would have done him any good. Dönitz, in contrast, had no such fatalism and set about intensively training his crews in the new tactics. The inexorable logic of the siuation, namely, the crushing inferiourity of the German surface fleet to he Royal Navy's, would leave submarine warfare as Germany's only naval option once war broke out.
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Naval leader Karl Dönitz, official photographical portrait.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karl_D%C3%B6nitz&action=edit§ion=3)] Role in World War II
When the war started in 1939, Dönitz had recently been appointed Commodore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_%28rank%29) (Kommodore) on 28 January 1939, and leader of submarines (Führer der Unterseeboote). The German Navy was unprepared for war, having anticipated the war to begin in 1945, as anticipated by previously established war plans which the Plan Z (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Z) was tailored for. The "Z" Plan called for a balanced fleet with a greatly increased number of surface capital ships, including several aircraft carriers. At the time war did start, Dönitz's U-boat force included only 57 boats, many of them short-range. He made do with what he had, while being harassed by Raeder and with Hitler calling on him to dedicate boats to military actions against the British fleet directly. These operations were generally unsuccessful, while the other boats continued to do well against Dönitz's primary targets of merchant shipping.
On 1 October 1939, Dönitz became a Rear Admiral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rear_Admiral) (Konteradmiral) and commander of submarines (Befehlshaber der Unterseeboote); on 1 September the following year, he was made a Vice Admiral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_Admiral) (Vizeadmiral).
By 1941 the delivery of new Type VII U-boats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Type_VII_submarine) had improved to the point where operations were having a real effect on the British wartime economy. Although production of merchant ships shot up in response, improved torpedoes, better U-boats, and much better operational planning led to increasing numbers of "kills". On 11 December 1941, following Hitler's declaration of war on the United States, Dönitz immediately planned for Operation Paukenschlag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Drumbeat) (commonly Drumbeat, with connotations of "tattoo" or "thunderbolt" in German), against United States east coast shipping. Carried out the next month, with only nine U-boats, it had dramatic and far-reaching results. The US navy was entirely unprepared for anti-submarine warfare, despite having had two years of British experience to learn from, and committed every imaginable mistake. Shipping losses which appeared to be coming under control as the British navy gradually adapted to he new challenge instantly skyrocketed.
On at least two occasions, Allied (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II) success against U-boat operations led Dönitz to investigate possible reasons. Among those considered were espionage and Allied interception and decoding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoding) of German Navy communications (the Naval version of Enigma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine)). Both investigations into communications security came to the conclusion that espionage was more likely, if Allied success had not been accidental. Nevertheless, Dönitz ordered his U-boat fleet to use an improved version of the Enigma machine (intended to be even more secure) — the M4 — for communications within the Fleet, on 1 February 1942. The Navy was the only branch to use the improved version; the rest of the German military continued to use their then current versions of Enigma. The new network was termed Triton (Shark to the Allies). For a time, this change in encryption between submarines caused considerable difficulty for Allied codebreakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codebreaker); it took ten months before Shark traffic could again be read (see also Ultra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_%28WWII_intelligence%29) and Cryptanalysis of the Enigma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptanalysis_of_the_Enigma)).
By the end of 1942, the production of Type VII U-boats had increased to the point where Dönitz was finally able to conduct mass attacks by groups of submarines, a tactic he called Rudel and became known as "Wolf pack" (wolfrudel) in English. Allied shipping losses shot up tremendously, and there was serious concern for a while about the state of British fuel supplies.
During 1943, the war in the Atlantic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Ocean) turned against the Germans, but Dönitz continued to push for more U-boat construction and technological development. At the end of the war the German submarine fleet was by far the most advanced in the world, and late war examples such as the Type XXI U-boat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_XXI_U-boat) served as models for Soviet and American construction after the war.
Dönitz was a very involved man, often contacting U-Boats up to seventy times a day with questions such as their position, fuel supply, and other 'minutiae'. This helped compromise his cyphers, by giving the Allies more messages to work from. The replies also enabled the Allies to use direction finding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direction_finding) (HF/DF, called "Huff-Duff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huff-Duff)") to locate a U-boat using its radio, track it, and attack it (often with aircraft able to sink it with impunity).
Dönitz replaced Raeder as Commander-in-Chief of the Navy (Oberbefehlshaber der Kriegsmarine) on 30 January 1943. It was Dönitz who was able to convince Hitler not to scrap the remaining ships of the surface fleet. Despite hoping to continue to use them as a fleet in being (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_in_being), the Kriegsmarine continued losing what few capital ships it had. In September, the battleship Tirpitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Tirpitz) was put out of action for months (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Source) by a British midget submarine. In December, he ordered the then sole remaining operational capital ship Scharnhorst (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battlecruiser_Scharnhorst) under Rear Admiral Erich Bey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Bey) to attack Soviet-bound convoys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_convoys_of_World_War_II), but the battlecruiser was sunk in the resulting encounter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_North_Cape) with superior British forces led by the battleship HMS Duke of York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Duke_of_York).
Both of Dönitz's sons died during World War II. His younger son, Peter, was a watch officer on U-954 and was killed on 19 May 1943, when his boat was sunk in the North Atlantic with the loss of its entire crew. After this loss, the older brother, Klaus, was allowed to leave combat duty and began studying to be a naval doctor. Dönitz lost Klaus almost a year after Peter died, on 13 May 1944. Klaus convinced his friends to let him go on the fast torpedo attack boat S 141 for a raid on the Selsey off the coast of England on his twenty-fourth birthday. The boat was destroyed and Klaus died, even though six others were rescued.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karl_D%C3%B6nitz&action=edit§ion=4)] Hitler's successor
In his last testament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_will_and_testament_of_Adolf_Hitler), Adolf Hitler surprisingly designated Dönitz as his successor as Head of State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_State) (Staatsoberhaupt), expelling both Hermann Göring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring) and Heinrich Himmler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler) from the Nazi Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party). Significantly, Dönitz was not to become Führer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrer), but rather President (Reichspräsident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichspr%C3%A4sident)), a post Hitler had abolished years earlier. Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels) was to become Head of Government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_of_Government) and Chancellor of Germany (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_Germany) (Reichskanzler). Hitler committed suicide on 30 April 1945, and Goebbels followed suit a day later.
Dönitz became the sole representative of the crumbling Reich. The rapidly advancing Allied forces limited his government's jurisdiction to an area around Flensburg near the Danish border, where Dönitz's headquarters were located, along with Mürwik (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M%C3%BCrwik&action=edit). Accordingly his administration was referred to as the Flensburg government (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flensburg_government). On 7 May (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_7) 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945), he authorized the Chief of Staff of the German Armed Forces, Colonel-General Alfred Jodl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Jodl), to sign the instrument of unconditional surrender of all German forces to the Allies. The surrender documents included the phrase, "All forces under German control to cease active operations at 2301 hours Central European Time on 8 May (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_8) 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945)." The next day, shortly before midnight, Field Marshall Wilhelm Keitel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Keitel) repeated the signing in Berlin at Zhukov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhukov)'s headquarters and at the time specified the end of World War II in Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_World_War_II_in_Europe) occurred.
Dönitz appointed Ludwig von Krosigk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Graf_Schwerin_von_Krosigk) as Chancellor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chancellor_of_Germany) (Reichskanzler) and they attempted to form a government. During his brief period in office Dönitz devoted most of his efforts to ensuring the loyalty of the German armed forces and trying to ensure German troops would surrender to the British or Americans and not the Soviets, fearing vengeful Soviet reprisals (correctly, as it turned out). However, his government was not recognized by the Allies, was for some days more or less ignored, and was dissolved when its members were captured and arrested by British forces on 23 May (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_23) 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945) at Flensburg.
[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karl_D%C3%B6nitz&action=edit§ion=5)] War crimes trial
Following the war, Dönitz was captured by the British and held as a prisoner of war by the victors, who accused him of war crimes. He was indicted as a major war criminal at the Nuremberg trials (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials) on three counts: (1) "conspiracy to commit crimes against peace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_peace), war crimes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes), and crimes against humanity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_humanity)," (2) "Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimes_against_peace)," and (3) "crimes against the laws of war (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes)". Among the war crimes charges, he was accused of waging unrestricted submarine warfare for issuing War Order No. 154 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Order_No._154) in 1939, and another similar order after the Laconia incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_incident) in 1942, not to rescue survivors from ships attacked by submarine. By issuing these two orders he was found guilty of causing Germany to be in breach of the Second London Naval Treaty of 1936.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_D%C3%B6nitz#_note-NTrials)
Dönitz was found not guilty on count (1) of the Indictment, but guilty on counts (2) and (3) and was sentenced to ten years in prison. However, in view of all the facts proven, and in particular of an order of the British Admiralty announced on 8 May 1940, according to which all vessels should be sunk on sight in the Skagerrak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skagerrak), and the answers to interrogatories by Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Nimitz), wartime commander-in-chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, stating that unrestricted submarine warfare had been carried on in the Pacific Ocean by the United States from the first day that nation entered the war, Dönitz's order to conduct unrestricted submarine warfare was not included in his sentence.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_D%C3%B6nitz#_note-NTrials) He was imprisoned for ten years in Spandau Prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandau_Prison), West Berlin.
Dönitz was released on October 1, 1956, and he retired to the small village of Aumühle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum%C3%BChle) in Schleswig-Holstein (Northern Germany). There he worked on two books. His memoirs, Zehn Jahre, Zwanzig Tage ("Ten Years and Twenty Days"), appeared in Germany in 1958 and became available in an English translation the following year. This book recounted Dönitz's experiences as U-boat commander (ten years) and President of Germany (20 days); hence the title. In it, Dönitz explains the Nazi regime as a product of its time, but argues he was not a politician and thus not morally responsible for much of the regime's crimes. He likewise criticizes dictatorship as a fundamentally flawed form of government and blames it for much of the Nazi era's failings.
Dönitz' second book, Mein wechselvolles Leben ("My Ever-Changing Life") is less known, perhaps because it deals with the events of his life before 1934. This book was first published in 1968, and a new edition was released in 1998 with the revised title Mein soldatisches Leben ("My Soldier's Life"). Most editions today combine both Mein wechselvolles Leben and Mein soldatisches Leben into a single book.
Late in his life, Dönitz' reputation was rehabilitated to a large extent and he made every attempt to answer correspondence and autograph postcards for others. Dönitz died of a heart attack on 24 December 1980 in Aumühle. As the last German officer with rank of Field Marshal, many former servicemen and foreign naval officers came to pay their respects at his funeral on January 6, 1981.
So he is not HANG by allies, survive the 10 years prison, and died of a heart attack on 24 december 1980.
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