Donald Rumsfeld Resigns

[UglyMowgli]

I heard that on the french TV, confirmed by CNN.

[Konovalov]

Is anyone shocked by this seriously?

The phrase "lame duck President" is being thrown about now with regards to President Bush. Whilst this may or may not the case, one thing is for sure. Donald Rumsfeld is a dead duck and was so as soon as the mid-term election results started to become clear.

He leaves an interesting legacy at the Pentagon as a man who brought sweeping cultural and structual changes to a complex institution in the DOD. He also has on his CV ownership of a war which in it's initial phases was conducted brilliantly, but afterwards became the object of ever growing controversy.

[Onkel Neal]

Yep. He had some innovative ideas but many did not work in practice. I wish Bush had canned him right after the election.

[DAB]

I'm suprised he survived Abu Grave to be honest. Certainly that marked a watershed. Before, he was seen as an advocate of an aggressive stance on the War on Terror. Afterwards, he was just seen as Nieve

[waste gate]

Politically a smart move. I think we all know the democrats are going to go after an impeachment of GWB. As a private citizen Mr. Rumsfeld can invoke his fifth amendment rights.

[fredbass]

Politically a smart move. I think we all know the democrats are going to go after an impeachment of GWB. As a private citizen Mr. Rumsfeld can invoke his fifth amendment rights.

No, of course we all don't know that. Actually, I seriously doubt it. And even if they wanted to, they would need a certain amount of help from the Republicans which is seriously doubtful.

[Konovalov]

The late President Nixon once descibed Rumsfeld as "one tough little bastard" and I think that sums it all up really.

[waste gate]

Politically a smart move. I think we all know the democrats are going to go after an impeachment of GWB. As a private citizen Mr. Rumsfeld can invoke his fifth amendment rights.

No, of course we all don't know that. Actually, I seriously doubt it. And even if they wanted to, they would need a certain amount of help from the Republicans which is seriously doubtful.

OK, watch the resignations and how Karl Rove takes the weapons away from the democrat congress. Rumsfeld was only the first. Watch, Dick Cheney, George Tennant, Alberto Gonzales, Andy Card has been gone for a while, but watch Josh Bolton resign.

[fredbass]

To clarify, you only need a simple majority to impeach in the House, but impeachment is only a formal decision to have the President tried by the Senate for his removal. 2/3 of Senate vote is needed for removal. blah blah, End of story.

Ok, watching now, just for you. :)

[Ishmael]

Wayne Madsen, the "tin-foil hat" guy called this on Oct. 24. Here's the link:

http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/2006_10231031.php

Seems remarkably prescient to me. But hey, what do I know? I'm just a liberal. Gee! Could this guy actually have some credibility? The only thing I see that he got wrong was Liberman as Sec Def instead of Bob Gates. The Bush family are circling the wagons. Any bets on how long before we see a Cheney resignation? Think it could be before January?

[Ducimus]

The thought of congress impeaching Bush Jr is just extreme right wing paranoia.
As for Rumesfield.... boo hoo. Someone pass the kleenex, i think i might shed a tear.....



of joy.

[TteFAboB]

He's responsible for the occupation of Iraq, so it's about time he goes. May his successor choose who to listen to better.

[waste gate]

He's responsible for the occupation of Iraq, so it's about time he goes. May his successor choose who to listen to better.

Your sense of who the Secratary of Defence listens to may be a bit off.

The Secratary of Defence works for the President. That is to whom he listens.

[STEED]

Good bye farewell and...........................

[Grayback]

Politically a smart move. I think we all know the democrats are going to go after an impeachment of GWB. As a private citizen Mr. Rumsfeld can invoke his fifth amendment rights.

I don't believe that there's any special exception to the 5th for acting government officials, and if the Dems are going after Bush and not Rumsfeld, and he's not facing any prosecution himself, then the 5th doesn't apply at all. You can't invoke a right against self-incrimination against disclosing information that doesn't incriminate you.

[Grayback]

To clarify, you only need a simple majority to impeach in the House, but impeachment is only a formal decision to have the President tried by the Senate for his removal. 2/3 of Senate vote is needed for removal. blah blah, End of story.

Is impeachment (despite protestations to the contrary) really something the Dems want? If our stupid media actually got it right this time, the election was a resounding referendum on major Bush policies and the President himself. Negative campaigning here in NY (a Kerry state, last I checked) often tied Republicans (incumbents and challengers) to the Bush administration. In a very real sense, GWB has been the DNC's hardest working campaigner. Unless the DNC has any urgent need to get rid of a guy like Bush, why kill the goose that laid the golden majority?

[TteFAboB]

He's responsible for the occupation of Iraq, so it's about time he goes. May his successor choose who to listen to better.

Your sense of who the Secratary of Defence listens to may be a bit off.

The Secratary of Defence works for the President. That is to whom he listens.

Ehh, that's right. But I've said that with the military advisors in mind. From all the plans and ideas out there, Rumsfeld definitely didn't picked the best one. We can only hope that the lessons from the mistakes were learned. And of course, Rumsfeld goes down to preserve Bush.

[Bort]

Good riddance. Donald Rumsfeld was perhaps the worst SECDEF of all time, some of the things he did might even make McNamara look good by comparison. I (and this is a rare occurrence) applaud the President for nominating Robert Gates to replace him, he seems to be a respectable choice who hopefully will be able to begin healing the wounds Rummy created in the DoD.

[August]

http://large-regular.blogspot.com/2006/11/rumsfeld-interview-large-regular-was.html

A Large Regular was lucky enough to score a few candid moments of Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's time yesterday after the historic announcement of his resignation was made.

ALR: Mr. Secretary - thank you so much for taking this time on what I'm sure is a difficult day. Can I ask if you are perhaps feeling a little bitter at the President right now?

Rummy: I always have time for my friends Chris. As far as feeling bitter towards the President - goodness no. I serve at the pleasure of the President and have offered my resignation a number of times. If truth be told - I'm a little bit in awe. I mean I don't think I've seen such a fine piece of political Jujitsu in my whole time in public service.

ALR: Political Jujitsu? I'm sorry Mr. Secretary but I don't follow you.

Rummy: Nobody saw this move coming yesterday. Nobody was prepared. It was a brilliant shifting of weight. Yesterday was supposed to be the Democrats big day. They were all going to wear new suits and dresses and give speeches congratulating themselves and talking about how they were going to fix the country. Instead all the news programs spent that time speaking about my resignation and today all the print media will be talking about me and my successor. The Democrats can't even complain because they have been practically begging for my resignation. By the time this dies down - nobody will want to look at their new suits or pretty dresses and they sure won't want to hear their flowery speeches because the time would have been well past that. The bonus is that the Main Stream Media doesn't even see how they were used. Brilliant move by the President.

ALR: But Mr. Secretary are you saying your tenure as Secretary of Defense was ended simply to control news cycles?

Rummy: Goodness no. When all is said and done I will be the longest serving Secretary of Defense in history. All Secretaries of Defense step down. This just happened to be the right time for me and if the President was able to time the announcement to take the wind out the sails of some blowhards well then that's just gravy. The important thing to me is that our brave men and women serving in Iraq and Afghanistan are honored and protected and I think this resignation helps with those ends.

ALR: Again Mr. Secretary I apologize but I don't follow your reasoning.

Rummy: Well Chris you understand the process involved here correct? It will be a few months before Bob Gates even gets his confirmation hearing. The administration will be able to use the confirmation hearings and my farewell tour to reinforce the case of what we are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

ALR: Mr. Secretary can you elaborate on that a little more?

Rummy: Sure Chris. You see between now and the confirmation hearings I will be going back to Iraq on several occasions. The media normally just covers bad news from Iraq but this time they will have no choice. They will have to get soldiers reaction to my resignation and how they feel about their mission in Iraq. A great percentage of the soldiers really believe in their mission and the American people will see that. Oh and the confirmation hearings are a trap for the Democrats. You'd think they would have learned from the Justice Roberts hearings but I guess not.

ALR: Can you share with us what you foresee happening at the confirmation hearings?

Rummy: Oh its going to be great theater. The back seat drivers will finally have to go on record for what they think is the best course instead of always complaining that we just missed a turn.

ALR: It sounds like you are actually looking forward to the hearings?

Rummy: Yes. Very much so. You see most of the complaining from the Democrats has fallen into two camps. Either they think that I haven't listened to my generals and that hundreds of thousands of more troops are needed or they advocate a running away from Iraq except they keep calling that strategy "redeployment". The hearings will put those people on the spot to explain exactly where they stand. Do they want to cut and run or do they plan to budget for hundreds of thousands of new troops? Can you picture Ted Kennedy stuttering his way out of that?

ALR: I think I'm starting to get it. The hearings are normally about a candidate's qualifications but nobody will be checking Bob Gates resume. Instead they will be pumping him for what he thinks about you and the job you have done in Iraq.

Rummy: Exactly. You know the President wasn't going to select a successor who was either going to cut and run or add hundreds of thousands of new troops but by the Senator's questions we get to see where they stand. When it comes time to vote on Bob Gates by that time his confirmation will be a referendum on the war. A vote for Bob Gates will be a vote for staying the course. A vote against Bob Gates could be spun as a vote that keeps me in office longer and to many on the left I'm the ultimate bogeyman. Its a lose-lose for any Democratic Senator who plans to run in 2008. And the funny thing is as the hearings are going on just remember that the Democrats practically begged for this to happen.

ALR: Thank you so much Mr. Secretary for explaining the situation. And I hope you enjoy your retirement you have certainly earned it.

Rummy: Oh Chris my retirement is still a long way off. By the way - do you think people will realize this was satire?

[August]

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061122/OPINION04/61122002/-1/opinion


Wilmington (NC) Star-News
November 22, 2006

Rumsfeld: Right Man, Right Time

By Richard McGraw

The image of Donald Rumsfeld emerging from the public media is inaccurate, off the mark and misleading and just plain wrong. I wish people could know the real Donald Rumsfeld.

I suspect that many politicians and those in the liberal media are looking for a scapegoat because the Iraq war didn’t go as planned. Wars rarely do. Generals always have war plans and those plans are inevitably “overcome by events” the moment the first shot is fired. And the plans are revised and revised again and again as the enemy changes tactics and strategies.

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[bradclark1]

Richard McGraw was a deputy in the Department of Defense from 2001 to 2005, serving in public affairs and legislative roles;
Duh!:roll:

[August]

Duh!:roll:

Hey, that's exactly what they say at McDonalds when I tell them not to put mustard on my hamburger. Freaky man! Do you have a lot of relatives in the fast food industry Brad? :p

[bradclark1]

No I picked it up from the mushroom farm. It's like Rumsfeld's DOD. Keeps you in the dark and feeds you s#!t. :lol: