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I'm listening to the radio at the moment and there talking about about flag burning.
So it's time for a poll.
UPDATE ON THE RADIO
It sounds like most people want this sort of thing banned but no one as yet as stated what these flag burners should get. Hang on one person just said, send them to prison.
The Avon Lady
11-02-06, 06:32 AM
I'm listening to the radio at the the and there talking about about flag burning.
So it's time for a poll.
It's bad enough someone's already burning flags. Now you wanna burn the polls, too??? :p
TteFAboB
11-02-06, 07:12 AM
I voted No because if they want to burn my flag I'll just burn theirs in return. Also it's great negative propaganda for themselves, only the idiots who already support whatever flag-burning group will find the ceremony charming. The rest of the people may ignore, despise or reject them.
But if they burn it on public streets then the police should record their faces so the judge can sentence the pyros to weeks of street cleaning with a donkey hat. And we should be allowed to throw rotten tomatoes at them. And then they'll have to clean the tomatoes too.
The Noob
11-02-06, 07:22 AM
Burning Flags should be legal. It's just a damn piece of Textile, let it burn.
(Of course patroitic people will now go nuts at this statement. :p)
Burning Flags should be legal. It's just a damn piece of Textile, let it burn.
(Of course patroitic people will now go nuts at this statement. :p)
Take cover Noob don't forget your hard hat.
Moving on I just heard on the radio a bill in America was narrowly defeated in out lawing the burning of flags.
As for my vote I voted yes but to go as far as imprisonment is a little to far, I feel they should be given a weeks sentence in cleaning the streets.
Aaah, but burning flags will contribute carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. So burning flags are a source of global warming! ;)
I voted NO, because the filth should already have the powers to arrest someone for making a nuiscance of themselves/setting fires in a public place. Demonstrating is one thing, causing a 'danger to the public' by starting a fire should be considered another entirely.
Imagine if I were to go into the middle of town and start a fire in a rubbish bin, or take some wadds of paper/combustible material and then proceed to set it alight... I would imagine the powers that be would be none too pleased. The same attitude should apply to the burning of flags in a public place. The only real difference here seems to be if you do it alone you'll probably get nicked, but if you're in a crowd then you have the safety in numbers to do whatever the hell you want :huh:
If flag burning is your thing then go to some armpit type country where that kind of thing is the accepted norm and forte for your average illiterate fannatic. See? Everyone has a niche somewhere to fit in, it just so happens that with any luck that niche is way out in the back of beyond, far away from Blighty.
The Avon Lady
11-02-06, 08:18 AM
I voted no, for the reasons given by TteFAboB and Jumpy in their posts above.
(Of course patroitic people will now go nuts at this statement. :p )
I think you'll go nuts first because "patriotic" people (and a accursed bunch we are for being so) here are responding quite calmly and even voting contrary to your expectations.
Oh no! Someone pass Noob the smelling salts. :dead:
SUBMAN1
11-02-06, 12:22 PM
I'm in the yes crowd. If yo don't like your country and want to burn its flag, its time for you to move.
-S
fredbass
11-02-06, 12:29 PM
Well I voted yes as well. Every country has its laws. I live in the U.S.A. There are other laws which restrict what I can do and say. Just because you live in America doesn't give someone the right to do or say whatever they want. There still are certain restrictions. This to me is just one more justified restriction that should be in the books, IMO.
Sailor Steve
11-02-06, 12:29 PM
This old veteran voted no. If we protect the symbol of freedom by taking away the freedom itself, exactly what have we accomplished?
SUBMAN1
11-02-06, 12:33 PM
This old veteran voted no. If we protect the symbol of freedom by taking away the freedom itself, exactly what have we accomplished?
You have a point, but I grew up in a world where it was illegal to burn the flag, and we were way more free back then than we are now, so I don't think your point is completely valid. Destroying the symbol of your freedom is to destroy freedom itself. The only real people who want to destroy this symbol and take the action to burn it are the very same people that want to see this country fall, so I vote to ban American flag burning alltogether.
Just my 2 cents.
-S
SkvyWvr
11-02-06, 12:38 PM
I'm in the yes crowd. If yo don't like your country and want to burn its flag, its time for you to move.
-S
Ditto!
fredbass
11-02-06, 12:38 PM
It's much more than a piece of garment.
The flag represents my country. It's a symbol. We pledge allegiance to it every day. To me, it's just as important as the President and you can't make a public statement threatening the president so to me it's just as important preventing the flag from destruction.
Edited from original version.
I voted no. People should have the right to burn a flag in a protest. Of course it'd be nice if I had the right to punch them in the nose for doing it.
fredbass
11-02-06, 12:43 PM
I voted no. People should have the right to burn a flag in a protest. Of course it'd be nice if I had the right to punch them in the nose for doing it.
Now come on August, you know that's a double standard, just vote yes like me. :know:
Ducimus
11-02-06, 01:16 PM
This old veteran voted no. If we protect the symbol of freedom by taking away the freedom itself, exactly what have we accomplished?
Thats pretty much how i feel. I dont beleive in burning our nations flag, but it's a form of expression, and as much as i dont agree with that particular form of expression, you have a right to express yourself.
The Avon Lady
11-02-06, 01:21 PM
I voted no. People should have the right to burn a flag in a protest. Of course it'd be nice if I had the right to punch them in the nose for doing it.
Now come on August, you know that's a double standard
No. August asked for just 1 punch - not 2. :p
Democracy gives you the right to protest but too burn your country's flag is like saying to hell with you and your country and your democracy.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
:oops: I live in England, let me rephrase that one.
That's my pounds worth.
Onkel Neal
11-02-06, 01:34 PM
Burning Flags should be legal. It's just a damn piece of Textile, let it burn.
(Of course patroitic people will now go nuts at this statement. :p)
It's the idea the textile represents. It's the sacrifice of many to maintain that idea. It's the security and high standard of living that the idea provides.
Burning the flag of one's country is disgraceful. I equate it with child porn and wife-beating--only a coward and a lowlife would stoop to such behavior.
But, if we are going to allow this in order to say we believe in free speech, fine with me, as long as I can express my free speech by beating the ever-loving crap out of any flag burners I come across! :rock:
SUBMAN1
11-02-06, 01:46 PM
Burning Flags should be legal. It's just a damn piece of Textile, let it burn.
(Of course patroitic people will now go nuts at this statement. :p)
It's the idea the textile represents. It's the sacrifice of many to maintain that idea. It's the security and high standard of living that the idea provides.
Burning the flag of one's country is disgraceful. I equate it with child porn and wife-beating--only a coward and a lowlife would stoop to such behavior.
But, if we are going to allow this in order to say we believe in free speech, fine with me, as long as I can express my free speech by beating the ever-loving crap out of any flag burners I come across! :rock:
So, you plan on voting yes then because they won't allow you to beat the ever living crap out of them? :D
Onkel Neal
11-02-06, 02:10 PM
Yeah. And they might be bigger than me :)
Aaah, but burning flags will contribute carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. So burning flags are a source of global warming! ;) I agree on this point only...pollution is evil...no flag burning.
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As an amusing asside, I wonder what Dr. Zee would have to say about all of this... :lol: Celebrating Freedom Day in Futurama lol freedom to do anything, except burn the emblem of freedom day etc etc the irony.
Tickled my funnybone thinking about this thread.
Ducimus
11-02-06, 02:36 PM
LOL you guys know that there is a condition where your SUPPOSED to burn the flag?
LOL you guys know that there is a condition where your SUPPOSED to burn the flag?
According to my Boy Scout training when the flag is no longer servicable, or stained or torn. Of course location (and intent) is everything.
Ducimus
11-02-06, 02:49 PM
LOL you guys know that there is a condition where your SUPPOSED to burn the flag?
According to my Boy Scout training when the flag is no longer servicable, or stained or torn. Of course location (and intent) is everything.
LOL boy scout manual? *shrug* I grew up as one of those flag worshipping cadets before i joined the real military, anywho, i *think* you can add, when the flag touches the ground to that list as well. Was just checking to see if anyone knew was all. It's always fun to catch people so quick to wave the flag around, yet not have much of a clue about proper flag etiquette.
A proper burning is supposed to be private, and not in view. Basically go back behind some building, drop it (properly folded of course) into some high rimmed can so you cant see it from the side, squirt some lighter fluid on it and toss in a match. Afterwords you put a lid on it walk away, and try to not feel like you did something wrong. LOL.
The Noob
11-02-06, 03:02 PM
It's the idea the textile represents. It's the sacrifice of many to maintain that idea. It's the security and high standard of living that the idea provides.
So what? If someone burns a Che flag, i just say "To hell with you retard" and then move along. It's this persons right to do whatever they want with a flag.
Burning the flag of one's country is disgraceful.
Or sometimes needed to express that the governement sucks.
First you say:
I equate it with child porn and wife-beating--only a coward and a lowlife would stoop to such behavior.
(I agree that wife-beating and child porn are lowlife stuff, just for the records)
But then you say:
But, if we are going to allow this in order to say we believe in free speech, fine with me, as long as I can express my free speech by beating the ever-loving crap out of any flag burners I come across! :rock:
Am i the only one who feels that this 2 sentences don't mix very well?
With such an violent act, don't you think you are going down to the level of the people you "hate"?
Democracy gives you the right to protest but too burn your country's flag is like saying to hell with you and your country and your democracy.
If i burn my countrys flag, why do i say "to hell with me"?
Thats "fredbass patriotic logic" as i call it. According to him i need to leave the planet because i do not stand for pledges of any country, anywhere. Yes, thats right, i don't "belong" to any country.
LOL boy scout manual? *shrug* I grew up as one of those flag worshipping cadets before i joined the real military, anywho, i *think* you can add, when the flag touches the ground to that list as well. Was just checking to see if anyone knew was all. It's always fun to catch people so quick to wave the flag around, yet not have much of a clue about proper flag etiquette.
Sorry for spoiling your ambush. You're wrong about touching the ground though. You're not supposed to let the flag touch the ground but if it does that's not a reason to destroy it.
As for the Boy Scouts i'll leave my comments on your obvious hatred for that great and venerable institution for another thread.
Well, except for this:
A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
All things we could use more of in our young people these days.
Ducimus
11-02-06, 03:23 PM
As for the Boy Scouts i'll leave my comments on your obvious hatred for that great and venerable institution for another thread.
I don't hate the boy scouts. Crips, my kid brothers in the boy scouts. I just never thought of one of their manual's as a source of such info is all. edit: i think my sarchasm was borne from what was probably tantamount to interservice rivalry. Theres alot of youth organizations, and every one of them thinks their all that and a bag of chips. (sea cadets, young marines, ROTC, CAP, etc etc)
If i burn my countrys flag, why do i say "to hell with me"?
Everyone has the right to protest but when you burn the flag you have already lost the argument because it's negative and achieves nothing.
As for the Boy Scouts i'll leave my comments on your obvious hatred for that great and venerable institution for another thread.
I don't hate the boy scouts. Crips, my kid brothers in the boy scouts. I just never thought of one of their manual's as a source of such info is all. edit: i think my sarchasm was borne from what was probably tantamount to interservice rivalry. Theres alot of youth organizations, and every one of them thinks their all that and a bag of chips. (sea cadets, young marines, ROTC, CAP, etc etc)
I was just joshing ya dude.
FWIW though, the Boy Scout manual is chock full of good information.
Sailor Steve
11-02-06, 05:23 PM
You have a point, but I grew up in a world where it was illegal to burn the flag...
What world was that, exactly? I don't remember it ever being illegal to burn the flag in America.
...and we were way more free back then than we are now, so I don't think your point is completely valid.
How were we more free back then (assuming I'm wrong above)?
Destroying the symbol of your freedom is to destroy freedom itself.
Again, how so?
The only real people who want to destroy this symbol and take the action to burn it are the very same people that want to see this country fall, so I vote to ban American flag burning alltogether.
I agree about their intentions, but they still have the right to express themselves. To deny that right is to deny a liberty that should remain basic.
The flag represents my country. It's a symbol. We pledge allegiance to it every day. To me, it's just as important as the President and you can't make a public statement threatening the president so to me it's just as important preventing the flag from destruction.
The president is a human being, and one in an important position. We can't threaten him because it's too easy to inspire someone else to carry out that threat. The flag represents our country, and what it stands for. But it's still just a symbol. The founding creed of the United States is individual liberty. To take away any liberty because you don't like what it represents is to begin the erosion of all.
bookworm_020
11-02-06, 06:04 PM
We had a case of a youth burning an Australian flag flown by the RSL (Returned servies league). He got a suspened sentance, and he then wrote and apology the the RSL.
The RSL then put forward a proposal for him to carry the flag on ANZAC day (the Australia version of veterans day), but had to scap it after fears that the guy could be hurt.
The general view was the guy was an idiot, and the punishment was good enough (he was found guilt of destruction of property). I don't think flag burning sould be banned, but bring your own, don't go destroying other peoples property!
SUBMAN1
11-02-06, 06:17 PM
You have a point, but I grew up in a world where it was illegal to burn the flag... What world was that, exactly? I don't remember it ever being illegal to burn the flag in America.
...and we were way more free back then than we are now, so I don't think your point is completely valid. How were we more free back then (assuming I'm wrong above)?
Destroying the symbol of your freedom is to destroy freedom itself. Again, how so?
The only real people who want to destroy this symbol and take the action to burn it are the very same people that want to see this country fall, so I vote to ban American flag burning alltogether.
I agree about their intentions, but they still have the right to express themselves. To deny that right is to deny a liberty that should remain basic.
The flag represents my country. It's a symbol. We pledge allegiance to it every day. To me, it's just as important as the President and you can't make a public statement threatening the president so to me it's just as important preventing the flag from destruction. The president is a human being, and one in an important position. We can't threaten him because it's too easy to inspire someone else to carry out that threat. The flag represents our country, and what it stands for. But it's still just a symbol. The founding creed of the United States is individual liberty. To take away any liberty because you don't like what it represents is to begin the erosion of all.
Back in the 70's it was illegal to burn the flag in demonstration. I beleive it was the late 80's or early 90's where the Supreme Court ruled that it was OK.
On the freedom portion - PC is where you right to free speech, etc. is eroding. None of this existed back then. Back then, you just paid a common curtisy to your fellow man. Now you are expected to follow a set guideline depending on whom it is you meet and to step outside of that will bring practically a wraith down on you. As an example, I still don't get why Spanish is becomming a second language in this country and I am still called white, when I can't call anyone else by their skin color. No one calls me European American. It's all PC.
To burn ones flag is to incite revolt, inspire hate,' breed contempt, and its the road away from Nationalism - something that is required to grow as a country. No other way to describe it. I do not think it is a liberty and the Supreme Court shouldn't overturn and allow, but they did.
Try and burn a flag in China and see what happens. They have way more nationalism than we have this day and something such as flag burning would probably get you executed. CHina will take over America if this trend continues.
fredbass
11-02-06, 07:05 PM
Thats "fredbass patriotic logic" as i call it. According to him i need to leave the planet because i do not stand for pledges of any country, anywhere. Yes, thats right, i don't "belong" to any country.
I'm just saying that it should be a law, at least in my country. Beyond that I really don't care where you go. If all countries were to make it a law against burning the flag, then I guess your stuck whether you like it or not Noob. Besides, you can still rant and rave, moan, bitch and cry as much as you always do. :know:
By the way, did you know that if an immigrant wants to become a citizen of the U.S.A, he or she must must take an oath to the following:
allegiance to the United States Constitution,
renunciation of allegiance to any foreign country or leader to which the immigrant has had previous allegiances to,
defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"
promise to serve in the United States Armed Forces when required by law (either combat or non-combat)
promise to perform civilian duties of "national importance" when required by law
So if a person must take said oath, I don't see anything wrong with making it also illegal to burn the flag. :)
Sailor Steve
11-03-06, 07:10 PM
To burn ones flag is to incite revolt, inspire hate,' breed contempt...
So is calling the president any number of vile names, which we can do.
...and its the road away from Nationalism - something that is required to grow as a country. No other way to describe it. I do not think it is a liberty and the Supreme Court shouldn't overturn and allow, but they did.
I disagree with you there, but any arguments I could come up with would simply be me disagreeing, not making a case; so I have to leave that one to opinion.
Try and burn a flag in China and see what happens. They have way more nationalism than we have this day and something such as flag burning would probably get you executed. CHina will take over America if this trend continues.
But isn't that what makes us better than China in respect to freedom? Or are you saying we should be more like them?
Part of the American system involves the freedom to gather in public...even for self-proclaimed Nazis in a Jewish suburb. It involves the freedom to publish pictures of the president altered to look like Adolf Hitler. It involves the freedom for people who "hate and loathe" our country to say so in public. It even involves the freedom for my mayor to stage a rally protesting the president when he spoke here, which I found to be in extremely poor taste in a public official. It involves the freedom for me to say I think said mayor-or the president himself-is an idiot.
Yes, burning a flag in China (or Nazi Germany) would get you shot. I thank God I don't live under those kinds of rules. I also get upset when I see someone burn the flag I revere, but as long as it's one they paid for themselves I'll continue to defend their right, not privilege, to do so. The Declaration Of Independence states that our rights are God-given (or natural to us, if you don't believe in any kind of god), and that we form countries to defend those rights. If someone offends us in exercising said rights, that's our problem, as well as theirs. You can't have it both ways; either we're free, or we're not.
by Seed
Take cover Noob don't forget your hard hat.
I second that. It would be the same as burning down your house Noob by protesters...... I suppose you wouldn't object to that would you? Well the flag represents the house you live in, your country you call home, that you live and die for.
blue3golf
11-03-06, 09:36 PM
I voted yes, if they don't like a country that much then get the hell out.
ASWnut101
11-03-06, 11:34 PM
voted yes. I belive that if you live here, you should atleast respect our flag.
Ignoring some of the essential flag burning of this topic, it's interesting how some react to such elements as burning a national symbol, either your own or somebody else's. I think GT182 sums it up rather clearly:
Well the flag represents the house you live in, your country you call home, that you live and die for
For me I'm not mortally offended if some scrote wants to burn the cross of st George or whatever, I find it somewhat disrespectful in the same way I find some folk who don't know how to close their mouth when eating, disrespectful and impolite. But then again I'm fairly realistic about what, at least the way things work over here; being patriotic about UK is all about. Or rather not about. To put it another way, I call my country home but I don't live and die for it. Perhaps if we were all transported back in time 60 years then I might think differently. I think this has something to do with the perceived or otherwise self effacing attitude that we brits are supposed to have.
American culture seems very different in this respect, perhaps given the nature of a country populated (initially) by european/other immigrants over the last 200 years or so where a sense of a new national identity is actively fostered. More "WOOO-HA! go America!" than the "yes... er quite, jolly good" you might expect from the typical English stereotype.
Whether the UK is richer or poorer for this lack of a strong national identity (outside of the football wa**** mentality) I'm not sure, but as I alluded to in my first post in this thread; we shouldn't make hasty new laws that potentially contradict that grey area we like to call freedom of speech ie. jail people for essentially doing something silly and in so doing making that expression itself a crime, when there are perfectly good laws already to deal with people setting fire to stuff in the middle of the street. All that is required is a modicum of common sense when using existing legislation, not making ill conceived 'headless chicken' laws for the sake of what I like to describe as popular opinion - something no law should be constructed upon.
I don't approve of the lack of gratitude some seem to show for what is their adopted home especially when they are spouting the worst kind of bile imaginable. If you want to complain, go right ahead, it's something of a national pastime for us brits :lol: but do it with a little humility - let some of that britishness rub off on you.
But it's that lack of respect (which manifests itself in the flag thing, amongst other ways), the cause and not the action that really annoys me. As I said (and have given some more thought to since) sod off to somewhere where, as an illiterate fanatic, you'll fit right in. Realistically you could be burning rubber chickens for all the difference it makes to any patriotism I might feel. As Neal said, "It's the idea the textile represents" the thing itself is just being used as a lever to polarize feeling, though I feel that most brits, myself included, have a somewhat lukewarm response to such actions**. Given this, these radicals would probably have more luck getting under our collective skin these days by attacking something closer to our hearts. Like taking the PG-Tips chimpanzees hostage, or something.
Lol, that's the trouble with relinquishing an empire that encompassed most of the known world- when all the apologizing for behaving 'like mad dogs and Englishmen in the midday sun' and owning everything and everyone in sight is done, or not having a good old fashioned straight-up enemy like 'Jerry' :roll: to focus the nations intent upon, there's just no cohesion anymore.:-j I don't know what is worse sometimes; the lack of clear resolution and consensus in these matters or the fact that people seem to need some greater 'foe' in order to center the nation's intent towards something good and useful for a change.
**
Illustrating this view is an amusing comment from another site, regarding the london bombings. Despite the outcry we were not off at the drop of a hat, invading Afghanistan (oops we're already doing that hehe), er, Pakistan then, because some of the chaps responsible went to alleged terror training camps there or somewhere near by.
The British are feeling the pinch in relation to recent bombings and have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940, when tea supplies all but ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a"Bloody Nuisance" warning level was during the great fire of 1666.
Just checked the voting, this is a close vote, almost down the middle.
The Noob
11-04-06, 06:11 AM
It would be the same as burning down your house Noob by protesters...... I suppose you wouldn't object to that would you? Nonsense.
Well the flag represents the house you live in, your country you call home, that you live and die for. Nonsense as well. I don't risk my b*tt for a country wich never did anything even nearly the way i think it's good. I don't call "my" country home. My House is my home. To hell with thatever nation. "We" get under attack? Time to leave. At least if the country in question would like to get rid of anyone who thinks like i do. NO country has aquired enought raspect from me to die for it. All a bunch of the worst people around who call themselves politicans. Those can go wherever they want to *meep* off and die. SANE normal people as politicans who don't care for personal gather, that would be *the* country.
No such thing till yet.
Onkel Neal
11-04-06, 08:56 AM
I don't risk my b*tt for a country wich never did anything even nearly the way i think it's good. I don't call "my" country home. My House is my home. To hell with thatever nation.
To hell with the social benefits that feed you as well?
Well Noob, then it must be why you use "Resident Moron" in your sig. If you don't respect yourself then I can understand why you don't respect anything esle., your country or someone else's included.
If I burnt the flag of someone else's country they'd be just as mad as I am when they burn the flag of mine. And if they did it in front of me, I set their shorts on fire... tout suiet.
Good one Neal. Let him go hungry for awaile.
Onkel Neal
11-04-06, 09:09 AM
Flag burning is highly offensive to me, and a lot of people. The guy who burns Old Glory knows that, and it fuels his desire for attention. It's the reason he burns the flag, to offend. If he wanted to use his free speech to change minds, win opinions, and further his goals, he would employ a little wit, some humor, a smattering of logic and reason. But someone who would burn a flag cannot put higher facilities to use. He's a garden variety idiot. Burning the flag is the social equivalent to dropping your pants and taking a massive dump in the middle of a crowded subway car. "Hey, look at me! See how stupid and offensive I can be?"
The thing for me is, when someone decides to be that offensive and that provacative, I feel moved to return the favor.
"For it has been said so truthfully that it is the Soldier, not the Reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.
It is the Soldier, not the Poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the Soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.
It is the Soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag who gives that protester the freedom he abuses to burn that flag."
Zell Miller
I would add it is the soldier, not the psuedo-intellectuals, forum philosophizers, and leet_skillz doods who has given us the freedom to debate the line of good taste and respect for national institutions.
And as Subman said, these people are cowards as well. Just like my Madonna example, a guy who burns a flag in the UK, Germany, Finland, or the US knows he can get away with it. We don't see him burning flags in countries like China of North Korea, do we? No, of course not. He doesn't have the balls.
Onkel Neal
11-04-06, 09:12 AM
If I burnt the flag of someone else's country they'd be just as mad as I am when they burn the flag of mine. And if they did it in front of me, I set their shorts on fire... tout suiet.
I would hold them for you:smug:
I don't have anything personal against Noob, he's proven to have strong opinions that differ from mine, but he also has a good sense of humor. :)
I did find it ironic he is so anti-nationalistic but he also says he is a ward of the state :hmm:
DanCanovas
11-04-06, 09:58 AM
you can really differentiate the Americans with the Brits here. Everyone is talking about the idea of being allowed to burn one flag and someone can burn yours in return. I voted yes because I don't think in Britain, people should be allowed to burn flags due to the fact that its only British and American flags that get burnt. I can promise you all one thing, I would be arrested if I burnt a flag that belonged to a politically sensitive nation such as Iran or Pakistan. They would not recieve the same treatment if they burnt a US flag here. In Britain you can do what you like as long as your not British or Christian and so its for this reason that I would want to ban all flag burning here in the UK.
Your only free to burn flags in this country if its a Union Jack or US flag your burning.
I have nothing against Noob either, except his idea that the burning of a national flag is ok. It's not at all ok in my book and many others feel the same way. To me that would be slapping my father, or theirs, in the face after he, or any soldier, was at war and fought for our right to be free. Freedom does not mean we have the right to burn our flag, or any national flag from any country. Just because someone else does it does not mean it's right.
You reap what you sow. And if one is a ward of the state then he should not bite the hand that feeds him. And thankyou Neal for holding their shorts so I can light the fire. I'd stand beside you any day for that right. :D :up:
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