Are U.K. Teenagers out of control?

[STEED]

Just been listening too the news on the radio and according to some report which probably be in tomorrows newspapers are teenagers are out of control. The U.K comes top of the big four in Europe the other country's were France, Germany and Spain, so what are our teenagers top of? Well it's sex, getting drunk and fights and Scotland was the worst.

From my point of view here in England where I live there have been drunken behaviour and fights in the streets near me, I would say once or twice a month. So what's the rest of England like?

And not forgetting our fellow Sub Simmer in Scotland for the down to earth view point, over to you XabbaRus. What's it's like up there?

[micky1up]

hmm not as out of controls as the firearm armed youths of the usa i think but getting there

[SUBMAN1]

hmm not as out of controls as the firearm armed youths of the usa i think but getting there

What firearms youth? I live here and haven't seen any.

[Sailor Steve]

They're everywhere! Don't you read the papers? They're in...some other town.

<breaks into a chorus from Bye-Bye Birdie: "Kids! What's the matter with kids today"?>

[SUBMAN1]

They're everywhere! Don't you read the papers? They're in...some other town.

<breaks into a chorus from Bye-Bye Birdie: "Kids! What's the matter with kids today"?>

Must be the BBC that you're reading! :D Pushing some political agenda.

Last 14 year old I read with a gun was armed with a Fully AUtomatic Mac-10! And that kid was in the UK!

-S

[Yahoshua]

Boy that statement is just as believable as what the Gun-Control fanatics said if the Assault Weapons Ban would sunset. "Blood will run in the streets," "AK-47s' will be sold to criminals on every street corner."

I never knew how right they were. I could barely get to my mailbox at the end of the road cuz I had to wade through Mac-10s, AK's, RPGs', and LOTS of evil looking black assault rifles.:roll:

[SUBMAN1]

Boy that statement is just as believable as what the Gun-Control fanatics said if the Assault Weapons Ban would sunset. "Blood will run in the streets," "AK-47s' will be sold to criminals on every street corner."

I never knew how right they were. I could barely get to my mailbox at the end of the road cuz I had to wade through Mac-10s, AK's, RPGs', and LOTS of evil looking black assault rifles.:roll:

Are you saying my assault rifle is ugly looking? You picking a bone with me? :shifty:

[HunterICX]

:hmm: Uk Teenagers

seeying on some documentary shows on tv with the police picking up those kids I say they are ''Lying Retartds'' that dont know how much they are messing up their lives.

[Rose]

hmm not as out of controls as the firearm armed youths of the usa i think but getting there

Uh, I happen to be one of those "youth of the USA," and I have yet to encounter any fire-arm-weilding classmates...

[Yahoshua]

<---- NOT a fan of "Plastic" guns (aka. GLOCK).

[SUBMAN1]

<---- NOT a fan of "Plastic" guns (aka. GLOCK).

I hate Glocks too. Give me my Stainless Steel Kimber!

-S

[cobalt]

teenagers getting drunk, having sex and getting into fights? my gosh, i would have never guessed...:roll:

[diver]

hmm not as out of controls as the firearm armed youths of the usa i think but getting there

Uh, I happen to be one of those "youth of the USA," and I have yet to encounter any fire-arm-weilding classmates...

But you are about a million times more likely to than a student in the UK or elsewhere.

[Yahoshua]

Facts please. :D .





Kimbers' okay from what I've heard. How does it handle?

[Ducimus]

teenagers getting drunk, having sex and getting into fights? my gosh, i would have never guessed...:roll:


QFE. I think teenages being "out of control" is a universal truth no matter where you live. I saw the post title, and thought, "ehh, and when were teenagers ever under control to begin with?" Its a phase of growing up i think, it just happends to be a very rebellious one.

[The Noob]

<---- NOT a fan of "Plastic" guns (aka. GLOCK).
I hate Glocks too. Give me my Stainless Steel Kimber!
The Glock is a Austrian weapon, and it kicks azz at burst fire. :D

On Topic, todays Teenagers. They are crazy in things where they shouldn't (Guns, hard drugs ect). Can't they just dress funny like in the 60's?

[danlisa]

From my point of view here in England where I live there have been drunken behaviour and fights in the streets near me, I would say once or twice a month. So what's the rest of England like?

Well, I'm in a sleepy town in Cornwall and even though you would think this type of behavior would be limited to more urban areas, it's not.

Almost every weekend there are very large fights between the 'local townies' and the neighbouring towns, with stabbings,glassings & very rarely murders. There is also alot of vandalism to shops & private property. This all happens after the pubs kick out. The usual age group involved is between 16 - 19.

And 9/10 this all kicks off because bloke 1 from town A tried it on with a woman from town B. This is a very sad state of affairs.:nope:

[joea]

<---- NOT a fan of "Plastic" guns (aka. GLOCK).
I hate Glocks too. Give me my Stainless Steel Kimber! The Glock is a Austrian weapon, and it kicks azz at burst fire. :D

On Topic, todays Teenagers. They are crazy in things where they shouldn't (Guns, hard drugs ect). Can't they just dress funny like in the 60's?
Hey N00b, yes they were NOT into guns in the 60s, but they sure as heck were into drugs, " Turn on, Tune in, Drop out " :up:

Err not that I'd know personally, I was born in the 60s. :oops:

[Kapitan]

Im 18 years old and i have an AK-47S is there a problem here?

[danlisa]

Im 18 years old and i have an AK-47S is there a problem here?

:rotfl: Not at all Sir!

[The Noob]

Im 18 years old and i have an AK-47S is there a problem here?
No problem. The problem starts when you walk the streets with that AK shooting people. No problem since you don't do that (I hope :p).

[STEED]

Kap may like his vodka but I'm sure he's not the kind of person to do a Hungerford.

[XabbaRus]

Just the same here. That's one thing we can't change.

I think they should be shipped off to the salt mines of Siberia.

Interesting was that UK teens are more consumerist than US teens. Basically they are spoiled.

We need a short sharp shock. But hey what can you expect when Christmas stuff has been on sale since before Halloween.

[[dc]Blade]

Here are some facts for you that are first hand.

A few of my friends were walking home around 1:30am after the pubs turned out and the local club had just about finnished for that evening thay were about 2 mins from their houses and 2 young lads coverd with hoods stoped them and said "i want your moble and your wallets, unfortunatly for them one of my mates decided that this was not going to happen this way! one of my friends ran to later turn up with his works van and bumped the krib and chased one of them off and the other chap went into the canal for a swim, both guys got done by the old bill and turned out to be 16 and 19, both my friends are in there late 20s.

The second incident that happend was only two weeks after this and involved another of my friends from the the same circle, and his girlfriend. Thay were walking home past one of the social clubs about 10mins from were thay live, a guy outside walked up to them and asked for a smoke, thay both said "sorry nether of us smoke" and walked on the chap then picked up there tail and followed them only being noticed by my friends when getting to the corner of the road he decided to look over his sholder and saw the same chap that asked for the cigerett following from a distance again thought nothing of it and carried on walking, Shortly after this the chap ran to the corner were he was seem by my friends and continued to follow, the vary next thing my friend knew was a car pulled up next to them and stoped tow chaps jumped out from the road side and the 3rd chap shouted at them again, my friends turned round and looks while the other two hit my friend with a bat and put him in hospital and pushed his girlfriend down to the ground thay grabbed his smokes and his wallet and buggerd off. These 3 chaps were never captured.......

scary thing is I dont live in a city i live in a small town were all this happend the same town i grew up in and its only in the last 6-8 years this has got realy bad, when i was in my early 20s i was a bit of a lose cannon but back then i only realy heard of things like this in large citys....

Shame that kids dont have anything ocupy their minds these days, other than making others lifes a missery

[Kapitan]

I own alot of weapons ive had two accidents with them one was my fault i acctualy shot some one in the leg on purpose i was 16, the second accident someone walked out into the firing range and i caught him in the thiegh.

[The Avon Lady]

I've said it before and I'll repeat it again:

"And Abraham said, "For I said, 'Surely, there is no fear of God in this place......."
- Genesis 20:11

My prediction: the world is in a downward spiral of decadence and is still far from hitting bottom.

And Von Capo thinks that it's religion that will bring about the dark ages. Wait and see! Wait and see! :nope:

EDIT: To clarify my last statement above, there is one religion, Islam, that will indeed darken the shores of anywhere in the non-Islamic world that it's been allowed to establish a beach head.

[Yahoshua]

Kap, do you own a Glock? (just curious here).

But other than that, you need to keep your FINGER off the trigger.

[Kapitan]

A real one no a CO2 powerd one yes glock 19C also have an AK47S M16 XM177 CP99 CP22 G-10 AG-809 SMK air rifle bolt action and a few more.

[SUBMAN1]

Facts please. :D .





Kimbers' okay from what I've heard. How does it handle?

Like a 1911, but a lot less heavy.

[SUBMAN1]

<---- NOT a fan of "Plastic" guns (aka. GLOCK).
I hate Glocks too. Give me my Stainless Steel Kimber! The Glock is a Austrian weapon, and it kicks azz at burst fire. :D

On Topic, todays Teenagers. They are crazy in things where they shouldn't (Guns, hard drugs ect). Can't they just dress funny like in the 60's?

Only if its a Glock 18. Got a friend coming up from AZ tomorrow who will have one of these with him. Shoots about 100 rds in about 5 seconds.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Im 18 years old and i have an AK-47S is there a problem here?

Now you need to figure out how to get your neighbors to get one too. Then you's have a safe neighborhood to live in since anyone that tries anything will get his *ss shot off!

-S

[SUBMAN1]

I own alot of weapons ive had two accidents with them one was my fault i acctualy shot some one in the leg on purpose i was 16, the second accident someone walked out into the firing range and i caught him in the thiegh.

Ouch! Maybe you shouldn't have an AK-47!

[The Avon Lady]

I own alot of weapons ive had two accidents with them one was my fault i acctualy shot some one in the leg on purpose i was 16, the second accident someone walked out into the firing range and i caught him in the thiegh.
Ouch! Maybe you shouldn't have an AK-47!
Maybe he should have his trigger fingers amputated. :hmm:

[SUBMAN1]

I own alot of weapons ive had two accidents with them one was my fault i acctualy shot some one in the leg on purpose i was 16, the second accident someone walked out into the firing range and i caught him in the thiegh. Ouch! Maybe you shouldn't have an AK-47! Maybe he should have his trigger fingers amputated. :hmm:

Hahaha! Maybe! I have shot 1000's upon 1000's of rds and have yet to shoot anyone! Not sure how you could shoot 2 different people??? And they still let you keep your weapon? Great! Just Great! :nope: :lol:

[Kapitan]

Llike i said i have shot two people and one was an accident, i dont condone the use of guns to get ones own way but they are a good tool to keep you safe, ive found that id taher carry my 6inch hunting survival knife around now simply bercause i live in the east end of london just round the corner from me a group of terrorists were arrested, not that long ago a person was stabbed and before i got here a guy was murderd.

Id rather carry my knife or my air pistol id just feel alot safer than nothing at all.

Yes i would shoot some one shoot to maime if i had too last resort id only shoot to kill if it was the ultimate have to, but chances of that happening are little.

[SUBMAN1]

Llike i said i have shot two people and one was an accident, i dont condone the use of guns to get ones own way but they are a good tool to keep you safe, ive found that id taher carry my 6inch hunting survival knife around now simply bercause i live in the east end of london just round the corner from me a group of terrorists were arrested, not that long ago a person was stabbed and before i got here a guy was murderd.

Id rather carry my knife or my air pistol id just feel alot safer than nothing at all.

Yes i would shoot some one shoot to maime if i had too last resort id only shoot to kill if it was the ultimate have to, but chances of that happening are little.

Yeah, I was kind of curious as to how you got an AK-47 in the UK, but I guess its an air variant. Thats OK then - keep shooting your neighbors until they get inline. You need order in that city it sounds like anyway. ;)

-S

[Kapitan]

The AK-47S i have is not an air veriant its the real thing its just de-activated (can soon be changed though) i spent £26 on the thing it will cost another £12 for the re activation kit if i got it from slovakiain all a cheap gun that you can easily smuggle into the country un noticed.

Id just like to say, the weapons is de activated its also registerd by the plice and is also registerd as de activated by a fire arms commitee and i have the certificate to prove that i also have a licence to hold high powerd air weapons.

The first person i shot was with a .177 air rifle caught his leg he didnt go to the police because he knew why i did it and basicaly it would get him in crap too.

The second person walked out onto the range just as i pulled the trigger so by the time id actualy noticed him it was too late he was half way to the floor.

[SUBMAN1]

The AK-47S i have is not an air veriant its the real thing its just de-activated (can soon be changed though) i spent £26 on the thing it will cost another £12 for the re activation kit if i got it from slovakiain all a cheap gun that you can easily smuggle into the country un noticed.

Id just like to say, the weapons is de activated its also registerd by the plice and is also registerd as de activated by a fire arms commitee and i have the certificate to prove that i also have a licence to hold high powerd air weapons.

The first person i shot was with a .177 air rifle caught his leg he didnt go to the police because he knew why i did it and basicaly it would get him in crap too.

The second person walked out onto the range just as i pulled the trigger so by the time id actualy noticed him it was too late he was half way to the floor.

£26? Wow! I bet it is harder to reactivate than you think since I probably wouldn't trust a £12 kit to do it and trust it not to blow up in my face. I have the real thing and I am very picky about what goes into it!

-S

[The Noob]

Only if its a Glock 18. Got a friend coming up from AZ tomorrow who will have one of these with him. Shoots about 100 rds in about 5 seconds. Jup. Just like Saddams Guns (http://youtube.com/watch?v=TdLefNgcCYY).

[micky1up]

and the 20,000 a year under 20 youths that die from gun related crimes is just a complete lie is it

[SUBMAN1]

and the 20,000 a year under 20 youths that die from gun related crimes is just a complete lie is it

Must be because that number is not a US number. Of course, maybe some Darwin awards need to be given out here! :D

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Just found the US statistic. THe number of children killed with firearms in a given year in the US of A is less than 200 per year. THis is of course tragic given that the majority of them are from children finding a parents gun and shooting themselves or another child. This is the parents responisibility to make sure accidents like this do not happen and they are the ones at fault.

-S

Some tidbits incase anyone cares:

...figures from the National Center for Health Statistics, in 1996, 138 children died in gun accidents, compared to 3,015 in car crashes and 966 in drownings. Fatal gun accidents accounted for 2.2% of the accidental deaths for children aged 15 and younger. The annual number of fatal firearm accidents among children has dropped 75% since 1975 and is now the lowest ever recorded. Firearm accidents have also decreased among the general population due to the same reason they have declined among children: education.

[micky1up]

a little snippet from one state


Firearm Violations at Schools and Firearm-Related Death Among Children and Teens in Georgia


During the 1996-97 school year in Georgia, 244 students aged five to 17 (17.4 per 100,000 students) were expelled for Gun Free School Act firearms violations.2 (http://www.vpc.org/press/9905ga.htm#2)
In 1996 there were 162 children and teens 19 years of age and younger shot and killed with firearms in Georgia: 81 in firearm homicides; 51 in firearm suicides; 24 in unintentional shootings; and six firearm deaths of unknown intent. 3 (http://www.vpc.org/press/9905ga.htm#3)
In 1996 the rate of firearm-related death among children and teens 19 years of age and younger in Georgia was 7.5 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related death among all U.S. children and teens 19 years of age and younger was 6.1 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related homicide among children and teens 19 years of age and younger in Georgia was 3.7 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related homicide among all U.S. children and teens 19 years of age and younger was 3.7 per 100,000.4 (http://www.vpc.org/press/9905ga.htm#4)
In 1996 the rate of firearm-related death among children and youth less than 15 years old in Georgia was 1.2 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related death among all U.S. children and youth less than 15 years old was 1.2 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related homicide among children and youth less than 15 years old in Georgia was 0.6 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related homicide among all U.S. children and youth less than 15 years old was 0.7 per 100,000.5 (http://www.vpc.org/press/9905ga.htm#5)
In 1996 the firearm-related homicide offender rate among children and teens 19 years of age and younger in Georgia was 3.0 per 100,000. In 1996 the firearm-related homicide offender rate among all U.S. children and teens 19 years of age and younger was 2.4 per 100,000.

[SUBMAN1]

a little snippet from one state


Firearm Violations at Schools and Firearm-Related Death Among Children and Teens in Georgia

During the 1996-97 school year in Georgia, 244 students aged five to 17 (17.4 per 100,000 students) were expelled for Gun Free School Act firearms violations.2 (http://www.vpc.org/press/9905ga.htm#2)
In 1996 there were 162 children and teens 19 years of age and younger shot and killed with firearms in Georgia: 81 in firearm homicides; 51 in firearm suicides; 24 in unintentional shootings; and six firearm deaths of unknown intent. 3 (http://www.vpc.org/press/9905ga.htm#3)
In 1996 the rate of firearm-related death among children and teens 19 years of age and younger in Georgia was 7.5 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related death among all U.S. children and teens 19 years of age and younger was 6.1 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related homicide among children and teens 19 years of age and younger in Georgia was 3.7 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related homicide among all U.S. children and teens 19 years of age and younger was 3.7 per 100,000.4 (http://www.vpc.org/press/9905ga.htm#4)
In 1996 the rate of firearm-related death among children and youth less than 15 years old in Georgia was 1.2 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related death among all U.S. children and youth less than 15 years old was 1.2 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related homicide among children and youth less than 15 years old in Georgia was 0.6 per 100,000. In 1996 the rate of firearm-related homicide among all U.S. children and youth less than 15 years old was 0.7 per 100,000.5 (http://www.vpc.org/press/9905ga.htm#5)
In 1996 the firearm-related homicide offender rate among children and teens 19 years of age and younger in Georgia was 3.0 per 100,000. In 1996 the firearm-related homicide offender rate among all U.S. children and teens 19 years of age and younger was 2.4 per 100,000.

By the way, over here, 18 years old is considered an adult. Not sure what it is where you are. I question these numbers too since I think they are skewed (heavily). Let me find the official numbers from the US state dept and get back here.

-S