Death Toll - Iraq...

[SUBMAN1]

You know, I am amazed by the Death Toll the papers keep reporting on Iraq. Saw this morning that one paper reported that we hit the worst ever - 101 this month. Isn't that amazing the progress we have made? Try that back during the Vietnam conflict and you can easily add another 1000+ to that number! Want to talk WWII?

Soon, in the future, that number will drop to almost nothing as our robotic soldiers come online. If 101 is the worst that can happen to us with a couple hundred thousand targets for the enemy to choose from on the ground out there, then nothing can touch us from these pathetic people.

Anyway, 101 lives is 101 lives, and each one is important, but technology has saved 10's of thousands of additional lives that what would have been lost in the past, and I am appreciative for our hard working engineers for keeping them safe!

Just my thoughts for the day.

-S

[waste gate]

Begs the question. How many people have died due to motor vehicle accidents during the same period. Worse, how many abortions have been performed over the same period. No one is up in histerical, weeniie, gnashing of teeth of those two subjects.

[SUBMAN1]

Begs the question. How many people have died due to motor vehicle accidents during the same period. Worse, how many abortions have been performed over the same period. No one is up in histerical, weeniie, gnashing of teeth of those two subjects.

That is not the point of my post though. The point is - they can't touch then - 101? That's an incredibly low number in a hostile environment and it is due to technology. It's actually an unbelievable number that can not even be compared to in any other time in history!

This is a lot in due to our hard working engineers we have that constantly keep coming up with things to keep our troops safe, and that is why I wrote my post. To put it into perspective, over 50,000 men were killed in Vietnam in less time.

-S

[August]

I read somewhere that the death toll for all our wars up to Vietnam was 1 in 15. During Vietnam and ever since our death toll has been around 1 in 1500.

[waste gate]

Begs the question. How many people have died due to motor vehicle accidents during the same period. Worse, how many abortions have been performed over the same period. No one is up in histerical, weeniie, gnashing of teeth of those two subjects.

That is not the point of my post though. The point is - they can't touch then - 101? That's an incredibly low number in a hostile environment and it is due to technology. It's actually an unbelievable number that can not even be compared to in any other time in history!

This is a lot in due to our hard working engineers we have that constantly keep coming up with things to keep our troops safe, and that is why I wrote my post. To put it into perspective, over 50,000 men were killed in Vietnam in less time.

-S

OK, I get your meaning now. July 1 thru July 3 1863 52,000 casualties, all Americans. Gettysburgh. Your point on technology also applies to what we call collateral damage. Much reduced. Most deaths we see in Iraq are Iraqi upon Iraqi.

Anyone claiming the US presence instigates the violence should look at the tribal nature of Iraq and the northern Kurdish sectors of the country.

[Ducimus]

Any of you guys ever strap on a pack and rilfe and be loaded into the belly of a cargo plane? Or see people you know get mained or killed in front of you in some 3rd world hell hole far far from home? If not, try it sometime, your meaningless statistcs take on a whole new meaning.

[waste gate]

Any of you guys ever strap on a pack and rilfe and be loaded into the belly of a cargo plane? Or see people you know get mained or killed in front of you in some 3rd world hell hole far far from home? If not, try it sometime, your meaningless statistcs take on a whole new meaning.


The numbers aren't meaningless to me.

[SUBMAN1]

Any of you guys ever strap on a pack and rilfe and be loaded into the belly of a cargo plane? Or see people you know get mained or killed in front of you in some 3rd world hell hole far far from home? If not, try it sometime, your meaningless statistcs take on a whole new meaning.

Sad that you feel that way. The whole point of the thread was to thank the engineers for helping keep our troops safe who are in harms way and you want to attack us for showing appreciation. Nice. A pretty pathetic post.

-S

[ASWnut101]

Did you, Ducimus?

[ASWnut101]

anyway,

yeah, its amazing....seeing how in WW2 it took an entire wing of bombers to take out a target. That caused uncountable civilian tolls.

Now look: we can fire a TLAM through some guys window, taking out just his little shack or what ever he lives in. most civ counts don't get above ten, and thats in a highlly residential area.

pretty neat, if you ask me.:up:

[waste gate]

I think Ducimus only counts the dead. Try counting the living friend. If you are concerned about human life then the lives saved are just as important as those lost.

[ASWnut101]

don't know if he can.....:hmm:

[Ducimus]

Statistics.. That was the point of this post.

This isnt a praise about anyone, its another freaking Pro war, "gee, its not so bad, damn liberal press is blowing this out of proportion, lets put it into perspective" post. That's what this really is. Its the same type of horsehit pro war people spout so it doesnt sound so damn bad and trumpet just how great bush and the goverment is.

Anytime i hear about a G.I getting killed it pisses me off. To talk about those G.I's as a meaningless stastics really ticks me off. They had names, they had famlies. One statistic they dont tell you about is how many come home maimed or with emotional scars. Then when their discharged, their tossed aside like an old pair of boots. Never hear about or look into that do you?!?!

So this month 101 G.I's died..... for what? Freedom? Thats what we tell ourselves so we'll feel warm and fuzzy about it. Nobody wants to say, to admit that their friends may have died for nothing, for some lost cause that wasnt, or shouldnt have been ours.

And yeah, i saw my share of bull****. I've been to Korea to Bosnia, and alot of places in between and the hardest thing to accept was that where my country was concerned, it was all for nothing. In the end, nothing done mattered to anyone except to those who where there.

If i sound bitter, its because i am.

[ASWnut101]

The whole point of the thread was to thank the engineers for helping keep our troops safe who are in harms way and you want to attack us for showing appreciation.

-S

no it wasn't Ducimus. Show me where all of that stuff you said is in this topic.

[waste gate]

Try counting the living friend.

How many people live because of their sacrifice? I don't and will not diminish the sacrifice of those killed nor of their families and nor of their friends, but think of how many lives they have saved.

[Ducimus]

Show me where all of that stuff you said is in this topic.

Ive stepped into similar topics in other forums besdies subsim. IMPLIED is the same thing as EXPRESSED in my book. Far too many people post in doublespeak when it comes to this subject, and ive all but run out of patience for it.

[August]

Any of you guys ever strap on a pack and rilfe and be loaded into the belly of a cargo plane? Or see people you know get mained or killed in front of you in some 3rd world hell hole far far from home? If not, try it sometime, your meaningless statistcs take on a whole new meaning.


I have.

[blue3golf]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducimus
Any of you guys ever strap on a pack and rilfe and be loaded into the belly of a cargo plane? Or see people you know get mained or killed in front of you in some 3rd world hell hole far far from home? If not, try it sometime, your meaningless statistcs take on a whole new meaning.



I have.

Same here. Which is why I don't get involved in these scuffles because I can't explain it to most here.

[Yahoshua]

No point in explaining to people who weren't there, and no need to tell it those who were there.

[waste gate]

Ive stepped into similar topics in other forums besdies subsim. IMPLIED is the same thing as EXPRESSED in my book. Far too many people post in doublespeak when it comes to this subject, and ive all but run out of patience for it.

So can we assume that your posts are double speak and that everything you say can be taken as something else. Or would you rather just call everyone who dis agrees with you a liar and duplicitous?

[Ducimus]

I'm just really angry today, okay?