Kapitan
10-28-06, 07:51 PM
I will say after reviewing the Kuznetsov design it is very poor indeed, I have found many flaws in the construction and design of the carrier I think the Russian navy would still be better suited to using the smaller Kiev class as it implements the whole self defence role a lot better.
Putting a VLS system in the middle of the runway is in my opinion not the best idea, those hatches have been damaged by heavy seas many times before so what’s a SU-27 going to do if it lands hard or crashed on them?
The lack of a catapult is a draw back it does mean the SU-27 and MIG-29 can’t take off with a full payload; again the catapults can’t be put into the ship because the missile tubes and VLS systems are in the way.
If the Russians had gone with the "harrier" approach I think then yes this vessel could defiantly be a force to be reckoned with even though they use some of the best fighters in the world on this ship there is a big lack still and its a big one the aircraft that take off are very vulnerable.
the ship itself can choose either to defend itself or let the aircraft take off which means that it cannot sail alone threes a big confusion about the missile systems and where they are placed if an incoming missile was to be on final and a plane was on final the CIWS would hit the incoming plane !
I think the kuznetsov is all bark no bite but it still a capable vessel no matter and still can pack a punch, ive seen the vessel from a distance and even so its huge the missiles are huge the centre island is huge the whole ship is huge however the engines are small and so the ship is also underpowered and only has four four bladed propellers where as the USN nimitz has four five bladed propellers.
In reality if the Russian navy had two Nimitz class carriers I think then totally the Russian navy would be a potent force, it has now got one operation carrier.
What I have learnt from the Russian navy is that its not a carrier navy like the USA its a submarine navy all emphasis is on the submarines and they are the first units to receive funding then its the kuznetsov and kirov then everything else.
I last saw the Kuznetsov in 2003 in murmansk in refit, and she was looking a bit worse for wear (bear in mind she had been sand blasted for repaint) but just too look at her and sum up her capabilities I could have cried when it dawned on me here is one useless piece of junk. (Not 100% true but still).
When the Russian navy enters in its new carriers I hope the design is A) not rushed and B) suitable for the needs of the navy.
The plans so far are for two 65,000 tonne carriers to operate SU-27 and MIG-29 and possibly a new aircraft also to operate the KA-27 and KA-31 helix with the capabilities to deck handle the MI-24 Hind gun ships.
The carriers I would imagine to be on the same scale or bigger than the kuznetsov and the displacement may well go up to 85,000 tonnes its dependant on the design station that plans these vessels.
I would like to see a missile system such as a SS-N-22 VLS launched ship defence system and SA-N-9 SAM missile systems and also newer versions of the CIWS systems as well as better protected sensors and at least an attempt to start with stealth tech.
the kuzzie can defend itself well it has an upgrade in SAM systems and also CIWS there was once plans to remove the SS-N-19 VLS system to extend the hanger but the plans never went through as they were seen as too expensive and the hull was too old to warrant the change and at the time the soviets were ready to start building of the ulyonsk class carriers however then the soviet union collapsed and that carrier too was scrapped.
The SS-N-19 system is mainly for self defence everything bar the aircraft on that ship in terms of weapons systems are for defence but the kuzzie does really on escorts.
Today the Russian navy plans to commission in two new CV's by 2020 however the plans may be extended just like the SSBN at the moment Russia has plans for 12 borey SSBN's if funds permit then there could be as many as 16 Boreys come 2024 but by this time I suspect that a newer SSBN design will be in place.
So far the victor III and the Akula's are looking to be written off by 2015 replaced by the Sevdvinsk SS/GN also the Oscars are looking to go being replaced by the now multi role sevdvinsk so far threes three that have been laid down and roomer that one is almost fully ready for sea.
We know the kilo class SSK's are to be replaced by the more capable lada / amur class st Petersburg is nearly operational kronstadt is nearing completion and a third submarine is under construction.
Russia also plans to remove the slava and Kirov class from service by 2020 also the sovremenny and udaloy's replacing them with two separate classes of ships which plans have yet to be drawn up.
The krivacks will serve the remainder of their lives they are frigates and it’s unlikely that they will be replaced, but recent shifts in a new type of frigate might well replace them and the nanchuka and also the remaining tarantula class.
Ships such as the AGI of the vishnya class will remain with the fleet until 2015 again unlikely to be replaced, the auxiliaries such as the brezhina and boris chelkin again no plan for replacement just yet but the units there are now some 35 years old (my stepfather has commander brezhina and has commented its better off in the junk yard it hardly see's the sea).
The kirov realy no longer has a purpose to the russian navy i think it is now just there to lok good and look good she does i have seen peter the great in st petersburg when she has come for the fleet review, it look good it feels good and its a big crowd puller, however it lacks what is now esentialy the "law" of the seas which is to limit your RADAR signature cross section.
The kirov can easily be blinded by taking out her masts as this is where the RADARS and communications equipment are and once this is destroyed then the kirov will be blind and realy soley on input from other ships, even though she has two OK-650B reactors and can manage 33 knots her boost will come from the Combined nuclear and gas drives (CONAG) she is slow too pick up speed and also hard at turning also the hydrolics systems are prone to failing due to excess pressure put on them and the bodge repairs made.
The sovremenny and udlaoys and also older vessels such as the AZOV kashin and the Kerch are all uptodate and more money is acctualy spent on these vessels than on both the kirov and kuznetsov this is because they are cheaper to maintain crew and are also alot smaller and require less heavy duty parts.
The sovremennys and udaloys could all do with the VLS systems this has been implemented on the Udaloy III design and so far one ship has made it out of full construction but the rest have been haulted.
If the Sovremenny and udaloys were lengthend and fitted with a VLS system for the SS-N-22 or SS-N-19 or SS-N-27 then these ships could be the "burke class" of the russian navy, again it would need a massive improvment on design and sensor placement and also stealth design.
The Destroyers that currently man the Russian fleet are around 12 years old on average (exceptions with kerch Smiltlevy and azov kashin and kara class) the remaining hull life of these vessels is just another 13 years there are plans for newer vessels with VLS systems and better stealth features but these ships i dont think will be with the fleat for another 15 years.
The slava class just need taking out of the navy they are good looking vessels and are also well maintained and crewed but they are getting older and i think that the future russian navy has no space for them they do not fit the doctrine or needs for them at all they should be written off for good, the sovremennys are as capible if not more than these cruisers, they lack again the sophisticated sensors and also the placement of th sensors these are of rushed design.
Nanchuka and tranutul class are excellent small patrol corvettes but these need replaceing with a unit more capible, the side launchers are very vulnreble to small arms fire they are well defended for thier size all thats needed is realy a better clone of these ships.
Krivacks and grishas need overall replaceing the grisha is old worn out and i dont think warrents a replacement class to fill its place the krivack is of better design and the newer ones being sold to india also encorperate stealth features i would like to see more of the very modern krivacks take too the sea in vast numbers i think that around 40 would suite the navy well spread over the fleets i also think that the new krivaks would do alot better than the grisha, and could probably fill that gap.
Mine warfare vessels are some what shunned most were built in the late 1970's early 1980's they are old under maintained and are some of the worst vessels i have ever seen in a navy for that role, i would say that even though russia has 36 mine warfare vessels i could only say at least 12 could acctualy put to sea due to the sheer lack of maintinance, and these are the vessels russia is going to need the most if it comes to war and thier northern an pacific ports are mined, there are no plans to replace the current mine warfare vessels but i would like to see newer vessels by 2010 as the ones they have are simply going to fall apart.
Auxilaries as quoted by my stepfather " its better off in the junk yard it hardly see's the sea" (this is for the brezhina) my stepfather has commanded many auxilaries including the boris chelkin (he cannot command acctual naval vessels submarines or warships) most of the auxilaries go to sea often but again are under maintained on the last trp my stepfather did he was saying that the ship if it was european would not have been able to leave port he had many problems with the vessel many malfunctions with the sea water pumps and oil filters ect ect... because the russian navy is short staffed he sometimes steps in to take a ship to sea (qualified master mariner holds the rank of captain 2nd rank)
The auxilaries are few and far between nowdays and only about 4 ever go to sea, there are no plans at the moment to replace these vessels but i know that come 2010 they will have to be replaced most are 1970 vintage and will simply be too old worn out and rotten to move.
What i fear the most is that the russian navy will rush design stand in auxilaries that will have to serve the fleet for 30 years be under capible and near useless to a fleet, again ive seen the brezhina i was taken onboard her in 2002 she did look very run down even though the inside of the ship was very clean, the ship itself is acctualy primative for an auxilary and i would say if it was ever leased to help out a NATO or USN vessel it could not do it because it is very antiquated.
AGI vessels such as the vishnya class will be paid off come 2020 theres no use now for them in the age of satalites they are quite useless pieces of steel just kept around in the harbours i have seen a vishnya in pictures and i just thought whats the point of the vessel it is very under armed under maintained and most acctualy sit around in murmansk gathering sea creatures.
The russians have 11 Vishnyas i could probably only say that 6 could go to sea tight now, i do know that one has had her screws and engines removed and become a floating radar school for the pacific fleet so that leave 11.
The amphibious landing vessles such as the ivan rogov are acctualy kept in good condition there are four vessels but only one is used as parts are scarce so the other 3 are doner vessels, the design is based on my old ship of the COSCO class roll on roll off frieghters infact its the same size and dimensions and of similar superstructural design.
Effective but vulnreble again its under armed well maintained but lacks a good helicopter deck and theres just one ship to fill four fleets, i would idealy like to sea something like the albion and bulwark design coming in to allow the use of multiple helicopters and landing craft again i would like to see possibly 8 to 10 of these ships to give the russian navy a good amphibious force because right now the ivan rogov class can only handle around 2,000 troops packed in thats not even 1/5 of the marines and then you got to put the weapons and viachles and helos.
There are again no plans to replace them at all and they are realy in need of replaceing at least by 2012.
The current fleet of SSN's comes to the following:
Victor III 18 units
Akula I Ii II 16 units
Oscar II 11 units
Sierra 4 units
Kilo 11 units
All of these units are on the books to be totaly removed from service the victors should have gone 10 years ago but due to financial problems they have had to be kept all are in very good condition again i have seen these units for myself and been onbaord a few of them all are very modern inside and very capible but there are plans to replace the lot by 2020 with the new multi role SS/GN sevdvinsk which its roumerd that one is nearing compleation and two are building .
There are plans for as many as 40 new SSN's but i suspect only around 25 will be built.
The sierra class is very expencive but very capible deep diving submarine 4 remain active but there are reports that 2 will be deleted from service by 2007, they take up alot of money to maintain and also repair like the al'fa class they run deep 850 meters i cant ever see these units being replaced, and i think they are a big financial burden to the russian fleet.
The kilo class are very capible units as we all know and very sucseful abroad however the unit's are very old now the russian ones and of the 24 built only 11 remain active and by the end of this year 7 will remain they will all be replaced by the lada class of which only 12 are planned i think this is the only programme that is on shedual in the entire navy.
Reports that the black sea operate a sole tango and foxtrot class are untrue they were both gone by 1997.
So far we have seen three new SSBN's appear plans are for 12 to 16 of these new boreys, but the remaining delta and typhoons are getting very old and are starting to show thier age i have never seen a typhoon except in pictures and ive only ever seen a delta at a great distance (they are off limits to me and most naval personell) but most of the units are hitting the wrong side of 20 years, the typhoons are great units but lack the upgrading of sensors and other systems so far the SSBN fource is the part of the navy where the money is spent on.
The Delta's of which theres 7 Delta IV and 6 Delta III's are old and in desprate need of replacing and the borey will do just that the units are apparently very well kept the best in the navy due to the special strategic role they play.
The typhoons of which there are now only three and one is a trails platform also need replacing despratly i hope that the borey does fit the bill the deltas and phoons have done for so long its sad to say but it is time for these to go.
Special submarines such as the yankee notch and akson are simply incredibly old and should have been written off back in the 1990's the ones that acctualy remain are of 1970's vintage and have again no real use in the russian navy so realy id like to say save some money and get rid of them.
AS-11 AS-12 and other mini submarines, come on russia they are a big joke 1960's they fail alot they are old and now useless these submarines couldnt even dock with the kursk, id definatly like to see at least 2 DSRV's like the avalon or LR5 designand capibilitys the current fleet of mini submarines can stay down for only 2 hours and cant go far on a charge they are also limited now to 400 meters the main current fleet submarine can go down to 850 meters.
So to recap:
2 new CV's maybe more
12 New SSBN's maybe up to 16
40 or more new DDG / FFG
12 new SSK's maybe also more
44 new SSN's or more
Possible for new frigate design
Possible for new auxilary design
Coast gaurd cutters and other patrol craft in build or planned
I woul like to see this for the future russian navy come 2020 or maybe 2025:
4 CV's 2 for each fleet giving it good redundancy, good overall power projection and a bigger bite.
40 DDG / FFG Vessles is a good number not too much but not too little and they dont need CG's
8 SSK's i dont see why they have planned 12 i think 8 would be more suitible as they will mainly equip the black sea and baltic fleets
26 -30 as 44 SSN's are too much i think at least 30 or even 26 could be enough as they will be costly to crew and maintain.
They need atleast 8 amphibious craft of similar size of the Bulwark and albion
New costal FFG / corvette a good 40 of these as they are needed in all the fleets
and atleast 12 auxilaries to cover the needs of the fleet as the current auxilaries couldnt fill a hole with a brick.
Mini submarines of similar specification to the British LR5 and or american Avalon would give the russian navy a bigger rescue boost than the current AS-11 and 12.
The AS-11 and 12 were carried on the back of the india class untill thier final disposal in 1995 which ment that either a warship or specialy fitted barge or auxilary would have to carry it.
Currently the AS-11 and 12 cannot be carried on th back of SSN's or any submarines the only submarines that were capible of this was the india class which have been scrapped.
They also fail to be able to dock with NATO or US submarines and also its possible they could fail to be able to dock with the newer submarines being introduced into the fleet.
Well this is what i think and know roughly this comes from a 53 page report i made last year and thsi is just a very short brief.
Putting a VLS system in the middle of the runway is in my opinion not the best idea, those hatches have been damaged by heavy seas many times before so what’s a SU-27 going to do if it lands hard or crashed on them?
The lack of a catapult is a draw back it does mean the SU-27 and MIG-29 can’t take off with a full payload; again the catapults can’t be put into the ship because the missile tubes and VLS systems are in the way.
If the Russians had gone with the "harrier" approach I think then yes this vessel could defiantly be a force to be reckoned with even though they use some of the best fighters in the world on this ship there is a big lack still and its a big one the aircraft that take off are very vulnerable.
the ship itself can choose either to defend itself or let the aircraft take off which means that it cannot sail alone threes a big confusion about the missile systems and where they are placed if an incoming missile was to be on final and a plane was on final the CIWS would hit the incoming plane !
I think the kuznetsov is all bark no bite but it still a capable vessel no matter and still can pack a punch, ive seen the vessel from a distance and even so its huge the missiles are huge the centre island is huge the whole ship is huge however the engines are small and so the ship is also underpowered and only has four four bladed propellers where as the USN nimitz has four five bladed propellers.
In reality if the Russian navy had two Nimitz class carriers I think then totally the Russian navy would be a potent force, it has now got one operation carrier.
What I have learnt from the Russian navy is that its not a carrier navy like the USA its a submarine navy all emphasis is on the submarines and they are the first units to receive funding then its the kuznetsov and kirov then everything else.
I last saw the Kuznetsov in 2003 in murmansk in refit, and she was looking a bit worse for wear (bear in mind she had been sand blasted for repaint) but just too look at her and sum up her capabilities I could have cried when it dawned on me here is one useless piece of junk. (Not 100% true but still).
When the Russian navy enters in its new carriers I hope the design is A) not rushed and B) suitable for the needs of the navy.
The plans so far are for two 65,000 tonne carriers to operate SU-27 and MIG-29 and possibly a new aircraft also to operate the KA-27 and KA-31 helix with the capabilities to deck handle the MI-24 Hind gun ships.
The carriers I would imagine to be on the same scale or bigger than the kuznetsov and the displacement may well go up to 85,000 tonnes its dependant on the design station that plans these vessels.
I would like to see a missile system such as a SS-N-22 VLS launched ship defence system and SA-N-9 SAM missile systems and also newer versions of the CIWS systems as well as better protected sensors and at least an attempt to start with stealth tech.
the kuzzie can defend itself well it has an upgrade in SAM systems and also CIWS there was once plans to remove the SS-N-19 VLS system to extend the hanger but the plans never went through as they were seen as too expensive and the hull was too old to warrant the change and at the time the soviets were ready to start building of the ulyonsk class carriers however then the soviet union collapsed and that carrier too was scrapped.
The SS-N-19 system is mainly for self defence everything bar the aircraft on that ship in terms of weapons systems are for defence but the kuzzie does really on escorts.
Today the Russian navy plans to commission in two new CV's by 2020 however the plans may be extended just like the SSBN at the moment Russia has plans for 12 borey SSBN's if funds permit then there could be as many as 16 Boreys come 2024 but by this time I suspect that a newer SSBN design will be in place.
So far the victor III and the Akula's are looking to be written off by 2015 replaced by the Sevdvinsk SS/GN also the Oscars are looking to go being replaced by the now multi role sevdvinsk so far threes three that have been laid down and roomer that one is almost fully ready for sea.
We know the kilo class SSK's are to be replaced by the more capable lada / amur class st Petersburg is nearly operational kronstadt is nearing completion and a third submarine is under construction.
Russia also plans to remove the slava and Kirov class from service by 2020 also the sovremenny and udaloy's replacing them with two separate classes of ships which plans have yet to be drawn up.
The krivacks will serve the remainder of their lives they are frigates and it’s unlikely that they will be replaced, but recent shifts in a new type of frigate might well replace them and the nanchuka and also the remaining tarantula class.
Ships such as the AGI of the vishnya class will remain with the fleet until 2015 again unlikely to be replaced, the auxiliaries such as the brezhina and boris chelkin again no plan for replacement just yet but the units there are now some 35 years old (my stepfather has commander brezhina and has commented its better off in the junk yard it hardly see's the sea).
The kirov realy no longer has a purpose to the russian navy i think it is now just there to lok good and look good she does i have seen peter the great in st petersburg when she has come for the fleet review, it look good it feels good and its a big crowd puller, however it lacks what is now esentialy the "law" of the seas which is to limit your RADAR signature cross section.
The kirov can easily be blinded by taking out her masts as this is where the RADARS and communications equipment are and once this is destroyed then the kirov will be blind and realy soley on input from other ships, even though she has two OK-650B reactors and can manage 33 knots her boost will come from the Combined nuclear and gas drives (CONAG) she is slow too pick up speed and also hard at turning also the hydrolics systems are prone to failing due to excess pressure put on them and the bodge repairs made.
The sovremenny and udlaoys and also older vessels such as the AZOV kashin and the Kerch are all uptodate and more money is acctualy spent on these vessels than on both the kirov and kuznetsov this is because they are cheaper to maintain crew and are also alot smaller and require less heavy duty parts.
The sovremennys and udaloys could all do with the VLS systems this has been implemented on the Udaloy III design and so far one ship has made it out of full construction but the rest have been haulted.
If the Sovremenny and udaloys were lengthend and fitted with a VLS system for the SS-N-22 or SS-N-19 or SS-N-27 then these ships could be the "burke class" of the russian navy, again it would need a massive improvment on design and sensor placement and also stealth design.
The Destroyers that currently man the Russian fleet are around 12 years old on average (exceptions with kerch Smiltlevy and azov kashin and kara class) the remaining hull life of these vessels is just another 13 years there are plans for newer vessels with VLS systems and better stealth features but these ships i dont think will be with the fleat for another 15 years.
The slava class just need taking out of the navy they are good looking vessels and are also well maintained and crewed but they are getting older and i think that the future russian navy has no space for them they do not fit the doctrine or needs for them at all they should be written off for good, the sovremennys are as capible if not more than these cruisers, they lack again the sophisticated sensors and also the placement of th sensors these are of rushed design.
Nanchuka and tranutul class are excellent small patrol corvettes but these need replaceing with a unit more capible, the side launchers are very vulnreble to small arms fire they are well defended for thier size all thats needed is realy a better clone of these ships.
Krivacks and grishas need overall replaceing the grisha is old worn out and i dont think warrents a replacement class to fill its place the krivack is of better design and the newer ones being sold to india also encorperate stealth features i would like to see more of the very modern krivacks take too the sea in vast numbers i think that around 40 would suite the navy well spread over the fleets i also think that the new krivaks would do alot better than the grisha, and could probably fill that gap.
Mine warfare vessels are some what shunned most were built in the late 1970's early 1980's they are old under maintained and are some of the worst vessels i have ever seen in a navy for that role, i would say that even though russia has 36 mine warfare vessels i could only say at least 12 could acctualy put to sea due to the sheer lack of maintinance, and these are the vessels russia is going to need the most if it comes to war and thier northern an pacific ports are mined, there are no plans to replace the current mine warfare vessels but i would like to see newer vessels by 2010 as the ones they have are simply going to fall apart.
Auxilaries as quoted by my stepfather " its better off in the junk yard it hardly see's the sea" (this is for the brezhina) my stepfather has commanded many auxilaries including the boris chelkin (he cannot command acctual naval vessels submarines or warships) most of the auxilaries go to sea often but again are under maintained on the last trp my stepfather did he was saying that the ship if it was european would not have been able to leave port he had many problems with the vessel many malfunctions with the sea water pumps and oil filters ect ect... because the russian navy is short staffed he sometimes steps in to take a ship to sea (qualified master mariner holds the rank of captain 2nd rank)
The auxilaries are few and far between nowdays and only about 4 ever go to sea, there are no plans at the moment to replace these vessels but i know that come 2010 they will have to be replaced most are 1970 vintage and will simply be too old worn out and rotten to move.
What i fear the most is that the russian navy will rush design stand in auxilaries that will have to serve the fleet for 30 years be under capible and near useless to a fleet, again ive seen the brezhina i was taken onboard her in 2002 she did look very run down even though the inside of the ship was very clean, the ship itself is acctualy primative for an auxilary and i would say if it was ever leased to help out a NATO or USN vessel it could not do it because it is very antiquated.
AGI vessels such as the vishnya class will be paid off come 2020 theres no use now for them in the age of satalites they are quite useless pieces of steel just kept around in the harbours i have seen a vishnya in pictures and i just thought whats the point of the vessel it is very under armed under maintained and most acctualy sit around in murmansk gathering sea creatures.
The russians have 11 Vishnyas i could probably only say that 6 could go to sea tight now, i do know that one has had her screws and engines removed and become a floating radar school for the pacific fleet so that leave 11.
The amphibious landing vessles such as the ivan rogov are acctualy kept in good condition there are four vessels but only one is used as parts are scarce so the other 3 are doner vessels, the design is based on my old ship of the COSCO class roll on roll off frieghters infact its the same size and dimensions and of similar superstructural design.
Effective but vulnreble again its under armed well maintained but lacks a good helicopter deck and theres just one ship to fill four fleets, i would idealy like to sea something like the albion and bulwark design coming in to allow the use of multiple helicopters and landing craft again i would like to see possibly 8 to 10 of these ships to give the russian navy a good amphibious force because right now the ivan rogov class can only handle around 2,000 troops packed in thats not even 1/5 of the marines and then you got to put the weapons and viachles and helos.
There are again no plans to replace them at all and they are realy in need of replaceing at least by 2012.
The current fleet of SSN's comes to the following:
Victor III 18 units
Akula I Ii II 16 units
Oscar II 11 units
Sierra 4 units
Kilo 11 units
All of these units are on the books to be totaly removed from service the victors should have gone 10 years ago but due to financial problems they have had to be kept all are in very good condition again i have seen these units for myself and been onbaord a few of them all are very modern inside and very capible but there are plans to replace the lot by 2020 with the new multi role SS/GN sevdvinsk which its roumerd that one is nearing compleation and two are building .
There are plans for as many as 40 new SSN's but i suspect only around 25 will be built.
The sierra class is very expencive but very capible deep diving submarine 4 remain active but there are reports that 2 will be deleted from service by 2007, they take up alot of money to maintain and also repair like the al'fa class they run deep 850 meters i cant ever see these units being replaced, and i think they are a big financial burden to the russian fleet.
The kilo class are very capible units as we all know and very sucseful abroad however the unit's are very old now the russian ones and of the 24 built only 11 remain active and by the end of this year 7 will remain they will all be replaced by the lada class of which only 12 are planned i think this is the only programme that is on shedual in the entire navy.
Reports that the black sea operate a sole tango and foxtrot class are untrue they were both gone by 1997.
So far we have seen three new SSBN's appear plans are for 12 to 16 of these new boreys, but the remaining delta and typhoons are getting very old and are starting to show thier age i have never seen a typhoon except in pictures and ive only ever seen a delta at a great distance (they are off limits to me and most naval personell) but most of the units are hitting the wrong side of 20 years, the typhoons are great units but lack the upgrading of sensors and other systems so far the SSBN fource is the part of the navy where the money is spent on.
The Delta's of which theres 7 Delta IV and 6 Delta III's are old and in desprate need of replacing and the borey will do just that the units are apparently very well kept the best in the navy due to the special strategic role they play.
The typhoons of which there are now only three and one is a trails platform also need replacing despratly i hope that the borey does fit the bill the deltas and phoons have done for so long its sad to say but it is time for these to go.
Special submarines such as the yankee notch and akson are simply incredibly old and should have been written off back in the 1990's the ones that acctualy remain are of 1970's vintage and have again no real use in the russian navy so realy id like to say save some money and get rid of them.
AS-11 AS-12 and other mini submarines, come on russia they are a big joke 1960's they fail alot they are old and now useless these submarines couldnt even dock with the kursk, id definatly like to see at least 2 DSRV's like the avalon or LR5 designand capibilitys the current fleet of mini submarines can stay down for only 2 hours and cant go far on a charge they are also limited now to 400 meters the main current fleet submarine can go down to 850 meters.
So to recap:
2 new CV's maybe more
12 New SSBN's maybe up to 16
40 or more new DDG / FFG
12 new SSK's maybe also more
44 new SSN's or more
Possible for new frigate design
Possible for new auxilary design
Coast gaurd cutters and other patrol craft in build or planned
I woul like to see this for the future russian navy come 2020 or maybe 2025:
4 CV's 2 for each fleet giving it good redundancy, good overall power projection and a bigger bite.
40 DDG / FFG Vessles is a good number not too much but not too little and they dont need CG's
8 SSK's i dont see why they have planned 12 i think 8 would be more suitible as they will mainly equip the black sea and baltic fleets
26 -30 as 44 SSN's are too much i think at least 30 or even 26 could be enough as they will be costly to crew and maintain.
They need atleast 8 amphibious craft of similar size of the Bulwark and albion
New costal FFG / corvette a good 40 of these as they are needed in all the fleets
and atleast 12 auxilaries to cover the needs of the fleet as the current auxilaries couldnt fill a hole with a brick.
Mini submarines of similar specification to the British LR5 and or american Avalon would give the russian navy a bigger rescue boost than the current AS-11 and 12.
The AS-11 and 12 were carried on the back of the india class untill thier final disposal in 1995 which ment that either a warship or specialy fitted barge or auxilary would have to carry it.
Currently the AS-11 and 12 cannot be carried on th back of SSN's or any submarines the only submarines that were capible of this was the india class which have been scrapped.
They also fail to be able to dock with NATO or US submarines and also its possible they could fail to be able to dock with the newer submarines being introduced into the fleet.
Well this is what i think and know roughly this comes from a 53 page report i made last year and thsi is just a very short brief.