Pics of the USS Conneticut (Seawolf) having an Arctic holiday

[SUBMAN1]

Ran across this pics and figured I'd share:

http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/glaces-Connecticut-ssn-22-e.jpg

http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/glaces-Connecticut-04.jpg

http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/glaces-ssn-Connecticut-02.jpg

http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/h-uss-connecticut-2-2003.jpg

http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/h-uss-connecticut-2003.jpg

http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/Nouveau_dossier/ours-et-sub.jpg

[ASWnut101]

You cannot beat the Conneticut or Seawolf (Is the Jimboy Carter in service, or was it canceled during building?)

It eats Akula's for breakfast
It steps on victors like a bug
It is the best sub out there, excluding the Virginia, which IS the best sub in the world.

No russian sub can even come close.......(thats for kapitan):arrgh!:

[Kapitan]

No russian sub needs to the IL38's and TU142's will blow the thing out of the water should it enter russian waters, also its not about who has the most advanced submarine its how well you train the crew you may have an inferior boat but a superior crew and at the end of the day that is wat counts.

The swedish gotland class has given the Seawolf the slip many times, also the british trafalgar boats have made numerous mission kills on the seawolf during exercises like neptune warrior.

Nothing comes close? well with the SS-N-16 and a helo theres no need helo finds the seawolf akula fires her ASROC's and its tata seawolf.

The British have thee best training sub school in the world and that is a fact, Admiral rickover and the USN have all publicly admitted that, the british train american, Australian, Russia, German, Indian naval officers theres nothing at all like the training that is acheived.

So if i wanted to kill a seawolf all id do is swing by pick up a traffie and a good crew and give me an hour and seawolf will be fish food garenteed. (and yes in exercises its been done before the USN under estimated the power of a british SSN many times!)

[SUBMAN1]

You cannot beat the Conneticut or Seawolf (Is the Jimboy Carter in service, or was it canceled during building?)

It eats Akula's for breakfast
It steps on victors like a bug
It is the best sub out there, excluding the Virginia, which IS the best sub in the world.

No russian sub can even come close.......(thats for kapitan):arrgh!:

Wow! THem sounds like fighten words! :arrgh!:

-S

[Kapitan]

The lada amur i would immagine comes pretty close seeing as it doesnt use conventional screw (although it says it does and pictures you say when she was built)

The german 212 / 214 are alot quieter infact the 212 is so quiet that they have to put noise makers on the rear of the submarine so the ASW forces have something to do!

[SUBMAN1]

The lada amur i would immagine comes pretty close seeing as it doesnt use conventional screw (although it says it does and pictures you say when she was built)

The german 212 / 214 are alot quieter infact the 212 is so quiet that they have to put noise makers on the rear of the submarine so the ASW forces have something to do!

Sounds like the ASW guys need an equipment upgrade!

[Kapitan]

Yup best tell that to the USN and RN and French navy.

[ASWnut101]

No russian sub needs to the IL38's and TU142's will blow the thing out of the water should it enter russian waters, also its not about who has the most advanced submarine its how well you train the crew you may have an inferior boat but a superior crew and at the end of the day that is wat counts.

Weel, wit american training and the most advanced sub, I think seawolf has good points here.

The swedish gotland class has given the Seawolf the slip many times, also the british trafalgar boats have made numerous mission kills on the seawolf during exercises like neptune warrior.

Did they ever mention how fast the wolf was going, and how deep the water was, or how about if the crew of the seawolf had to make a little noise in neptune warrior?

Nothing comes close? well with the SS-N-16 and a helo theres no need helo finds the seawolf akula fires her ASROC's and its tata seawolf.

I meant that nothing comes as close to the seawolf's power and cost.

The British have thee best training sub school in the world and that is a fact, Admiral rickover and the USN have all publicly admitted that, the british train american, Australian, Russia, German, Indian naval officers theres nothing at all like the training that is acheived.

So? They are just making americans better at something they were already masters at......:cool:

So if i wanted to kill a seawolf all id do is swing by pick up a traffie and a good crew and give me an hour and seawolf will be fish food garenteed. (and yes in exercises its been done before the USN under estimated the power of a british SSN many times!)

hmm, the Trafalagar is a FINE sub indeed, but you are underestemating the seawolfies detection capabilities.


Oh, and finnaly, The Virginia is quieter than the Traffie, More detection capable, and less expensive than the seawolf. It's quieter too.

[Spoon 11th]

So if i wanted to kill a seawolf all id do is swing by pick up a traffie and a good crew and give me an hour and seawolf will be fish food garenteed.

I'd just throw a banana peel into the water and wait.

Thanks for the pics subman.

[SUBMAN1]

Yup best tell that to the USN and RN and French navy.

Doesn't sound like the USN was the one in need of an upgrade.

[Kapitan]

The USN ASW ships need a big upgrade, the perry FFG for example is totaly useless in defence of itself.

The USN are no way masters of submarine warfare, if they were then why does the USN insist that its officers are sent on the BRITISH training scheme?

The seawolf for cost and power yeah is expencive but the papa when built cost just under what the seawolf does today.

The gotland was in open ocean when on training exercises it also does littoral exercises its basicaly just to get the USN up to speed with ASW

And again if the USN are masters in ASW why would they lease a forign submarine for a whole year and more ? (note they got thier arses kicked quite a few times)

The USN although has good platforms also has some realy bad ones and some well stone age ones.

In neptune warrior the seawolf was killed 4 times within 36 hours by a german submarine, this year they have forced the germans to put noise makers on thier subs because they are just too quiet.


The Seawolf is a excellent platform but the seawolf herself is now nearing 10 years old, the traffies are a good 15 or more, the astute are thee equivelent to the virginia.

During the exercises i dont think any sub acctualy need alot of speed, so i doubt it would be going that fast and i also doubt it had any noise makers on it at all.

Seawolf has 8 21 inch torpedo tubes for comparision the akula has 14 torpedo tubes also has AASROC missiles if you mean engine power then yeh seawolf will win also i think on the speed catagory too seawolf is a 37 knotter the akula only 35knots.

The seawolf is an excellent submarine its got everything any submarineer ever dreams of and yes it is one of thee best subs in the world.

Did you know that BAe and some other british companies acctualy make parts for US submarines? including parts for SONAR systems ?

[HunterICX]

:hmm: and the fight goes on between Russia and America submarines.

btw...that polarbear...isnt that an russian spy :rotfl: dressed in an bear costume.

[sonar732]

Ok Kapitan. I know that you are a youngin' that's "wet behind the ears" and that's why I've enjoyed watching the arguements you've presented. However, when it comes to smashin' our sonar systems I couldn't stand back.

A few points regarding your claims. It's no secret as to why we lease other countries diesel electric boats. We don't have any diesel electrics and they are being produced by countries that pose a threat to the United States, ie...NPKR, China, and Iran. It's not because our training sucks, par from the course, it's because we don't have something like it to compete against in training excercises. Yes, the Seawolf and Virginia classes are quiet...but not that quiet. We also leased the services of the Australian Collins class who gave us an opportunity to have OPFOR excercises.

Here you are trashing how our sonar people can't find a diesel electric submarine, yet I remember standing watch transiting out of the Straight of Juan de Fuca seeing Russian trawlers shadowing my boat. Why might you ask? Because once my boat went to sea, the Russian submarines that were waiting for us couldn't find us and we are a nuc...not a diesel. What's their excuse...training or equipment?

As for saying that BAE makes our sonar equipment??? Lockhead Martin and Northrup Grumman are the primary suppliers of our sonar systems. Yea, BAE might make a chip or two..doubt it, but the primary suppliers are whom I mentioned.

Take your book-smart's along with your "contacts" and keep them at home. There's nothin' like a "been there, done that"! :arrgh!:

[Kapitan]

I will openly admit that the russian sonar systems on the submarines even todays ones are well quite antiquated but they are trying to step up with the newer waterfall displays.

BAe makes some of the parts not the entire system of sonar for the seawolf and viginia just like it does with the exocet and other products.

Im not climing that the USN training is crap because its a good navy however do think they should commission in at least a dozen SSK's so they dont have to lease any forign submarines, of corse australia and sweden would oblige they are paid enough to do so and they are allies.

As for sonar systems apart from BAe makes some part's thats about as much as i know i cant operate them i cant use them.

Yeah im young and wet behind the ears but theres nothing like learning something new every day.

Oh and why the russian trail you on the surface? simple cause thier own SSN's are useless for open ocean tracking i think even the akula would struggle to keep tabs on the ohio.

[sonar732]

I will openly admit that the russian sonar systems on the submarines even todays ones are well quite antiquated but they are trying to step up with the newer waterfall displays.

BAe makes some of the parts not the entire system of sonar for the seawolf and viginia just like it does with the exocet and other products.

Im not climing that the USN training is crap because its a good navy however do think they should commission in at least a dozen SSK's so they dont have to lease any forign submarines, of corse australia and sweden would oblige they are paid enough to do so and they are allies.

As for sonar systems apart from BAe makes some part's thats about as much as i know i cant operate them i cant use them.

Yeah im young and wet behind the ears but theres nothing like learning something new every day.

Oh and why the russian trail you on the surface? simple cause thier own SSN's are useless for open ocean tracking i think even the akula would struggle to keep tabs on the ohio.

The U.S. Navy will never imploy a SSK. There is simply no need for it in our mission profile. We just decomm'd our greatest SSK, Dolphin, due to it going beyond it's "shelf-life" and mission. Your comment regarding BAE and our sonar was pressed as an insult, not "learning something new". The whole scheme of your post has been insulting to the U.S. ASW community as a matter of fact. All you could do is provide "proof" as to how bad our crews are and not the whole reasoning of why we are even doing the excercises...hence the first paragraph in my post. I might suggest you do the unbias research before commenting. Hence "wet behind the ears" comment by me.

The Perry FFG comment for instance...did you know why they were produced? They were produced cheaply and in great numbers for the escort of multiple convoys across the Atlantic and support of multiple battle groups, whether amphib or carrier. They were pre-Aegis and replaces the aging Knox class. If you place a side by side comparison, it's a step up as the Knox class barely had any weapons capability.

[Kapitan]

My appologise if i offended you!

But im not too good with english and i think we have gone round the wrong way, the perry's i can understand cheap effective escorts, but what is thier real role today? they dont have the missile launcher any more they must realy soley on CIWS guns or other ships incase of incoming attacks by air or sea, it has a few torpedos a single screw which if lost or damaged would mean the ship is a sitting duck to any thing.

I just cant see the need for the perrys now if the USN was to commision in something like the type 23 that would boost the ASW section a heck of a lot as the type 23 can work alone or in a group.

We all know that the russian submarines are acctualy behind in some ways and ahead in others, thats just a common fact.

Also i dont remember saying the USN crews are very badly trained cause if they are badly trained then what are the britsh perisher course doing for all of them?

Also a role for the SSK in the modern mission plan i would see it like this say they built 6 SSK's they could drug hunt off the coast of venezuila or insert special forces into hostile littoral waters, act as targets during war games.

There are possibilitys but yes i can see why the USN doesnt want or need SSK's its just they are handy to have.

Exercises are good for any navy it gives everyone practice i would like to see the USN and russian navies practice together more as it would be good for both sides but its just a question of barriers.

[SUBMAN1]

My appologise if i offended you!

But im not too good with english and i think we have gone round the wrong way, the perry's i can understand cheap effective escorts, but what is thier real role today? they dont have the missile launcher any more they must realy soley on CIWS guns or other ships incase of incoming attacks by air or sea, it has a few torpedos a single screw which if lost or damaged would mean the ship is a sitting duck to any thing.

I just cant see the need for the perrys now if the USN was to commision in something like the type 23 that would boost the ASW section a heck of a lot as the type 23 can work alone or in a group.

We all know that the russian submarines are acctualy behind in some ways and ahead in others, thats just a common fact.

Also i dont remember saying the USN crews are very badly trained cause if they are badly trained then what are the britsh perisher course doing for all of them?

Also a role for the SSK in the modern mission plan i would see it like this say they built 6 SSK's they could drug hunt off the coast of venezuila or insert special forces into hostile littoral waters, act as targets during war games.

There are possibilitys but yes i can see why the USN doesnt want or need SSK's its just they are handy to have.

Exercises are good for any navy it gives everyone practice i would like to see the USN and russian navies practice together more as it would be good for both sides but its just a question of barriers.

Again, a sad response. I think it would be invaluble to train with your allies. Not only will they learn a thing or two from you, but you can learn a thing or two from them.

The US has the best Submariners in the world as far as I can tell. Just go take a tour of an Ohio and see how things are done. Professional every step of the way, plus the US boosts the best Sonar in the world, yet all I hear is how crappy we are. I understand you are patriotic about your country, but that won't do squat when it comes down to a real comparrison. It really comes down to money and training (which also requires $$$), and you know who has the $$$ to do what they need to do.

-S

[HunterICX]

:-?
If you 2 stop argue who has the Best stuff in this or that

Because you both wrong, everything has his Pro and Con side. face it. even the best US submarine can be sunk by a lower class russian sub. and the best russian submarine can be sunk by an lower class us submarine. traing is good to have...making the chance of an failure by human hand smaller. but still sometimes fate strikes hard and it doesnt matter how much you trained, but it gives you maybe the chance to prevent it.

if we go back a bit to the WW2 , you see different things in country's

German went for quality
americans went for quantity
russians focused themself on 1 goal.

if the russian faced an problem that their tanks where blown up easy...well lets make something that has a massive plate of steal so it can take more...and well hot damn it turned out to be one of the strongest tanks in the WW2 but his weak sides where the lack of rotation of the turret/tank himself and speed. while an german tank was very strong all-round. speed, power, etc etc..but they hadnt had enough of them because of the lack of recourses
the american shermans where a laugh for an german tank squad...the turred could be blown clear of the chasis..but didnt matter how much the german shot...the americans kept sending more into combat making it dificult for an german tank squad to take them all....

get a good look at the AK47 that gun doesnt fail the soldier. that thing always work in normal situation when some guns would block or fail. but accuracy lacks . while the american rifle has its accuracy

now we are advancing in war technoligy , things are getting dificult for an enemy to do those thing wich they where used to...they have to change their tactics. but it doesnt matter really...it is and stays a ping pong game...it keeps continue this fight over who has his advantages.

just my thought

[ASWnut101]

.....i can understand cheap effective escorts, but what is thier real role today?

Cheap Effective Escorts.

they dont have the missile launcher any more they must realy soley on CIWS guns or other ships incase of incoming attacks by air or sea, it has a few torpedos a single screw which if lost or damaged would mean the ship is a sitting duck to any thing.

I belive they have either plans to retire the OHP in the future or put a VLS on the bow.

24 Torpedoes are alot.

Yeah, that is a weakness, but if an explosion took off one screw, wouldn't you think that because they are so close togeater, that the same would happen to a duel screw?

I just cant see the need for the perrys now if the USN was to commision in something like the type 23 that would boost the ASW section a heck of a lot as the type 23 can work alone or in a group.

Perry's are now used for as escorts and ASW boats. They have never been good at any one thing, but good at everything.

Whats a Type 23?

Also a role for the SSK in the modern mission plan i would see it like this say they built 6 SSK's they could drug hunt off the coast of venezuila or insert special forces into hostile littoral waters, act as targets during war games.

Thats another reason why we are building the Virginia

There are possibilitys but yes i can see why the USN doesnt want or need SSK's its just they are handy to have.

They would require nearby oilers/AO's to fuel them every so often. We want a boat that will be able to stay in Hugo Chaves's swimming pool for more than a week. And problably the USN is paradnoid about the fact of Diesel noise.

Exercises are good for any navy it gives everyone practice i would like to see the USN and russian navies practice together more as it would be good for both sides but its just a question of barriers.

That would be very great.:up: :yep:

[Kapitan]

What i think would give the USN the edge if they had a ship like the type 23 this would mean they have a great ASW force and a leathl one at tat.

[Linton]

The polar bear pictures are quite old they have been doing the rounds for ages!
http://www.csp.navy.mil/asl/ScrapBook/Icex2004/Tireless01.jpg

[bookworm_020]

The Australian Collins calss has done a number on the US navy at plenty of wargames. There pretty good subs.... when they work.

Could I go on record and say the US is bad at naming their subs. In WW2 they were fish names (at least they sound aggessive!). Then they became city names (Old Battleship Names for the boomers, cruiser names for the attack) which is band enough. Then along comes the seawolf class, and I thought they were going to give some grunt back to the names, and then they start changing the names to cities or presidents (No carrier for Jimmy??). Now it battleship names for attack subs.

Is this PC gone mad??:doh:

Ok, I've got this off my chest, so we can now go back to the original topic....

[sonar732]

The Australian Collins calss has done a number on the US navy at plenty of wargames. There pretty good subs.... when they work.

Could I go on record and say the US is bad at naming their subs. In WW2 they were fish names (at least they sound aggessive!). Then they became city names (Old Battleship Names for the boomers, cruiser names for the attack) which is band enough. Then along comes the seawolf class, and I thought they were going to give some grunt back to the names, and then they start changing the names to cities or presidents (No carrier for Jimmy??). Now it battleship names for attack subs.



There were plenty of complaints regarding the naming of the 2nd and 3rd boats of the Seawolf class and then naming fast attacks like a Trident. So, when the next SSBN comes out only the top brass has any idea of what they'll use next. :rotfl::rotfl:

As for the 688's. They were originally named after the cities that certain congressman had main offices in their home districts. "I helped sign the appropriations bill, so that means you name a sub after my home city." Trust me, I would've liked them to stay on track with naming them after underwater creatures...can't call a dolphin a fish now can we.

The Barbel class of boats would've been a treat to serve on. One of my sonar instructors had his first deployment on one of them and said that they were in a class of their own in the late '70's and 80's as the only combat ready diesels left in the U.S. register.

[sonar732]

The polar bear pictures are quite old they have been doing the rounds for ages!
http://www.csp.navy.mil/asl/ScrapBook/Icex2004/Tireless01.jpg

That's a beautiful picture there Linton!

[bookworm_020]

I now know why a sub was called the jimmy carter, it seems more approprate than an aircraft carrier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter_%28SSN-23%29

What type of ship would they name after bill clinton?? Is there a floating brothel in the US Navy???