Abandoning ship

Safe-Keeper · 06-23-2006, 08:20 PM

This is such a complicated issue that I felt it warranted its very own thread. Now to move its furniture in here and it'll be all set

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Abandoning ship. Hopefully, we'll have the option of doing so when your boat is doomed. An "abandon ship" sound file in Silent Hunter III indicates Ubisoft at some point planned to implement it in that game, although they for whatever reason (most likely time pressure) did not do so.

So, when you abandon ship, what happens? I imagine it'd be a hot-key with an associated "Are you sure"-box. Something like this:

ABANDON SHIP?

Abandon ship and await rescue?

[Send S.O.S., then abandon ship.]
[Abandon ship.]
[Belay order.]

But after that?

I propose that you're stuck with the navigation map, or possibly also the "F2" screen which'd allow you to see the crewmates swimming around, or sitting around in life-boats -or both.

Not much to do but wait at a time compression of 1024. If you sent an S.O.S., a friendly ship or plane might find and recover you, or an enemy ship or plane might. Otherwise, you're left to hope some random vessel comes by, as was the case with the USS Indianapolis survivors. The outcome of the waiting (influenced by things like how many are wounded, whether or not you got eventual life-boats in the water, how many people wear life-vests, the weather conditions, sharks in the vincinity -not a joke-, etc.):

Death: Your entire crew dies from starvation, drowning, shark attack, or other causes.
Capture: An enemy unit reaches you, or you're near a friendly city.
Rescue: A friendly or neutral unit reaches you, or you're near an enemy city.

If you're within sight of land, your crew will move to it and get ashore, increasing survival and rescue chances and decreasing capture chances.

Then you're treated with a message such as this one:

CREW RESCUED

Survivors: 29.
Dead: 25.
Wounded: 3.

I'd actually like a hearing/court martial system after that. Nothing interactive, just a generated outcome like Dishonorable Discharge, Demotion, or Not Guilty, for example. If you put your boat at unneccessary risk (not diving from attacking Japanese bomber, for example), your odds would decrease. If you handled the situation as well as you could, your odds are better. If you have a good record later on, even better.

And so on.

As a side note, you should risk court-martials when breaking laws or firing at neutral or allied vessels. Torpedo a neutral ship in a Japanese convoy in the dead of night and you're probably excused. Hit her from a distance of 600 metres in broad daylight and excellent weather condition, and it's impossible to "mis-identify" or "not being able to make out" the flag.

I don't know enough about how this was handled, so meh. Let's focus on the scuttling, we're in his apartment.

06-24-2006, 11:23 AM

SHI let you abandon ship, but there was no waiting; you just got told whether you were captured, rescued or died of exposure.

Still, I'm all for this one as well. I like your proposals about getting ashore too.

Safe-Keeper · 06-24-2006, 04:22 PM

X-Wing and TIE Fighter were like that. If you bailed too close to an enemy vessel or in enemy territory, you were captured (you were shown a cutscene in which you were taken prisoner). If you were stuck in your fighter (if your ejection system was busted and the fighter was destroyed), there was a cutscene of you being buried. If you bailed near a friendly ship, or in "friendly waters", there was a cutscene of you being recovered by a medical shuttle, for then to receive medical treatment.

I still think it'd be better to have it take time, though. Longest it'd take would be something like 5-6 days, then you'd be dead if no one'd found you.

Maybe if you were near shore you could just be recovered automatically if it was friendly, neutral, or occupied by hostiles but with a partisan population friendly to the US (random chance then, I guess), and captured if it was hostile?

Grey Legion · 06-24-2006, 04:42 PM

Oh man !!

Genius idea !!

I have had a fwe times where I could have used that, also if you are captured there has to be a way for you to get back home to continue the fight !!

dunno what it could be, but some how in the early years the Canadian POW camps where easy to get out of, this was before the USA joining the war.

Safe-Keeper · 06-24-2006, 05:55 PM

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I have had a fwe times where I could have used that, also if you are captured there has to be a way for you to get back home to continue the fight !!

Have it be random, then zoom onwards to the time you escape or are set free and sent home and put back into circulation. Plain and simple.

Grey Legion · 06-24-2006, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Quote:

I have had a fwe times where I could have used that, also if you are captured there has to be a way for you to get back home to continue the fight !!

Have it be random, then zoom onwards to the time you escape or are set free and sent home and put back into circulation. Plain and simple.

My thoughts 100%

I think the chance to play a mission 100% through would be great no matter what the outcome..

STEED · 06-25-2006, 08:05 AM

I would like to see the concept of being allowed to abandon ship or should I say boat. And of course seeing the results of your decision are you captured, rescued or as Sailor Steve said you died of exposure.

Grey Legion · 06-25-2006, 09:45 AM

As I see this game is a simulation, not a U-boat simulation but a U-boat captain simulation, so with that all those tough life and death decisions should be included.

Of course with any game the more option that are made the more varied the gamer that will play so it would be wise to allow for total or little control..

Wilko · 06-25-2006, 02:51 PM

I like that idea of depending where you are as to the outcome of abandoning ship, rescue, capture or just plain out death... realy good idea there

06-25-2006, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

Quote:

I have had a fwe times where I could have used that, also if you are captured there has to be a way for you to get back home to continue the fight !!

Have it be random, then zoom onwards to the time you escape or are set free and sent home and put back into circulation. Plain and simple.

But if you have an option that lets you escape and return from the war, it's only fair to also get a screen that says "Shot while trying to escape!".

NightCrawler · 06-27-2006, 10:27 AM

I remember a game, that have the same thing but cant remember the name of the game(around 1980)..

that abandon ship, and hopefully you will be rescued, and go back to the base, if you're captured, you will be placed in prisoners camp, and stay there for 6 montch, but you will escape there after and heading back to base, to continue the carreer, but you will be reported on carreer mode...

stabiz · 06-27-2006, 08:18 PM

Nah, whats the point? SH IV is not a roleplaying game. Next you want it to turn FPS when you reach shore.

Grey Legion · 06-27-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

Nah, whats the point? SH IV is not a roleplaying game. Next you want it to turn FPS when you reach shore.

It is roleplaying..your the captain of a u-boat...are you not?, and by that you take on his/her role ??

I would not want to see FPS aspects and to that I agree but a little story would not hurt and heck they can always put a option screen ??

Just a thought

The Noob · 06-28-2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightCrawler

I remember a game, that have the same thing but cant remember the name of the game(around 1980)..

that abandon ship, and hopefully you will be rescued, and go back to the base, if you're captured, you will be placed in prisoners camp, and stay there for 6 montch, but you will escape there after and heading back to base, to continue the carreer, but you will be reported on carreer mode...

Maybe This One?

http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/sub-battle-simulator

It could be the one...:hmm:

I still have it someware, but i never understood the controles...

Some help here would be Good!

NightCrawler · 07-04-2006, 02:49 PM

The Noob, it could be Aces Of The Deep under DOS mode

06-23-2006, 08:20 PM	#1
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,198 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Abandoning ship This is such a complicated issue that I felt it warranted its very own thread. Now to move its furniture in here and it'll be all set! Abandoning ship. Hopefully, we'll have the option of doing so when your boat is doomed. An "abandon ship" sound file in Silent Hunter III indicates Ubisoft at some point planned to implement it in that game, although they for whatever reason (most likely time pressure) did not do so. So, when you abandon ship, what happens? I imagine it'd be a hot-key with an associated "Are you sure"-box. Something like this: ABANDON SHIP? Abandon ship and await rescue? [Send S.O.S., then abandon ship.] [Abandon ship.] [Belay order.] But after that? I propose that you're stuck with the navigation map, or possibly also the "F2" screen which'd allow you to see the crewmates swimming around, or sitting around in life-boats -or both. Not much to do but wait at a time compression of 1024. If you sent an S.O.S., a friendly ship or plane might find and recover you, or an enemy ship or plane might. Otherwise, you're left to hope some random vessel comes by, as was the case with the USS Indianapolis survivors. The outcome of the waiting (influenced by things like how many are wounded, whether or not you got eventual life-boats in the water, how many people wear life-vests, the weather conditions, sharks in the vincinity -not a joke-, etc.): Death: Your entire crew dies from starvation, drowning, shark attack, or other causes. Capture: An enemy unit reaches you, or you're near a friendly city. Rescue: A friendly or neutral unit reaches you, or you're near an enemy city. If you're within sight of land, your crew will move to it and get ashore, increasing survival and rescue chances and decreasing capture chances. Then you're treated with a message such as this one: CREW RESCUED Survivors: 29. Dead: 25. Wounded: 3. I'd actually like a hearing/court martial system after that. Nothing interactive, just a generated outcome like Dishonorable Discharge, Demotion, or Not Guilty, for example. If you put your boat at unneccessary risk (not diving from attacking Japanese bomber, for example), your odds would decrease. If you handled the situation as well as you could, your odds are better. If you have a good record later on, even better. And so on. As a side note, you should risk court-martials when breaking laws or firing at neutral or allied vessels. Torpedo a neutral ship in a Japanese convoy in the dead of night and you're probably excused. Hit her from a distance of 600 metres in broad daylight and excellent weather condition, and it's impossible to "mis-identify" or "not being able to make out" the flag. I don't know enough about how this was handled, so meh. Let's focus on the scuttling, we're in his apartment. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper. Last edited by Safe-Keeper; 06-23-2006 at 08:35 PM.

06-24-2006, 04:22 PM	#3
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,198 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	X-Wing and TIE Fighter were like that. If you bailed too close to an enemy vessel or in enemy territory, you were captured (you were shown a cutscene in which you were taken prisoner). If you were stuck in your fighter (if your ejection system was busted and the fighter was destroyed), there was a cutscene of you being buried. If you bailed near a friendly ship, or in "friendly waters", there was a cutscene of you being recovered by a medical shuttle, for then to receive medical treatment. I still think it'd be better to have it take time, though. Longest it'd take would be something like 5-6 days, then you'd be dead if no one'd found you. Maybe if you were near shore you could just be recovered automatically if it was friendly, neutral, or occupied by hostiles but with a partisan population friendly to the US (random chance then, I guess), and captured if it was hostile? __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

06-24-2006, 04:42 PM	#4
Grey Legion Loader Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 86 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Oh man !! Genius idea !! I have had a fwe times where I could have used that, also if you are captured there has to be a way for you to get back home to continue the fight !! dunno what it could be, but some how in the early years the Canadian POW camps where easy to get out of, this was before the USA joining the war. __________________ Gilligan & The Skipper were more than just "friends"

06-25-2006, 08:05 AM	#7
STEED Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Republic of STEED Posts: 15,883 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 36	I would like to see the concept of being allowed to abandon ship or should I say boat. And of course seeing the results of your decision are you captured, rescued or as Sailor Steve said you died of exposure. __________________ STEEDS U-BOAT SKINS & LITTLE MODS New Link> http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/STEED1984 *My U-Boat Skins now on SubSims.* Trust nothing Central Banks the IMF & Bank of England & your local Bank say. Question everything they say..Don't sit back and go along with it, Ponzi is the name & Ponzi is the game.

06-25-2006, 09:45 AM	#8
Grey Legion Loader Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 86 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	As I see this game is a simulation, not a U-boat simulation but a U-boat captain simulation, so with that all those tough life and death decisions should be included. Of course with any game the more option that are made the more varied the gamer that will play so it would be wise to allow for total or little control.. __________________ Gilligan & The Skipper were more than just "friends"

06-24-2006, 11:23 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Guest Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	SHI let you abandon ship, but there was no waiting; you just got told whether you were captured, rescued or died of exposure. Still, I'm all for this one as well. I like your proposals about getting ashore too.

06-25-2006, 02:51 PM	#9
Wilko Frogman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Aussie Posts: 309 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I like that idea of depending where you are as to the outcome of abandoning ship, rescue, capture or just plain out death... realy good idea there __________________ You take it easy... and have a nice day

06-27-2006, 10:27 AM	#11
NightCrawler Commander Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: FLA USA Posts: 473 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I remember a game I remember a game, that have the same thing but cant remember the name of the game(around 1980).. that abandon ship, and hopefully you will be rescued, and go back to the base, if you're captured, you will be placed in prisoners camp, and stay there for 6 montch, but you will escape there after and heading back to base, to continue the carreer, but you will be reported on carreer mode...

06-27-2006, 08:18 PM	#12
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,237 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Nah, whats the point? SH IV is not a roleplaying game. Next you want it to turn FPS when you reach shore.

07-04-2006, 02:49 PM	#15
NightCrawler Commander Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: FLA USA Posts: 473 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	All i know it's a submarine game, and yes it's under DOS mode The Noob, it could be Aces Of The Deep under DOS mode Last edited by NightCrawler; 07-04-2006 at 02:56 PM.

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