The deeper the safer ???

canimo · 08-03-2005, 01:44 PM

To what depth should i dive to avoid :

a. Detection ?

b. Damage from DC ?

The point is, If i am at 180m is it harder for DDÂ´s to hear me than at 60m ??

And when it comes to DC damage ? Is it just like a guess lotery ? The DD guesses my depth and I guess their DC setting ??
Do they have a depth limit to go off ???

KodiakPA · 08-03-2005, 01:53 PM

The deeper you are the more time you have to evade depth charges.

canimo · 08-03-2005, 01:56 PM

it never crossed my mind...

think i could never be a skipper

Carcassonne · 08-03-2005, 02:14 PM

I agree, the deeper you are the more time you have to avoid DCs; however, it's a double edged sword, sure you have more time to evade but those DC that detonate near you cause more damage.

DD's use pings to determine your depth and upon locating your depth adjust their DC's to detonate in approximation of that figure. I will say that it's more difficult for them to ping you the deeper you go.

I've found from personal experience in game that you needn't go very deep in relation to crush depth to avoid DCs. I rarely go below 100m in the years '39 - '42. From '43 and on I tend to hit the 170 meters deep. There are a few reasons for that: earlier in the war it's seldom you're DC'd by more than 1 or 2 ships at a time and it's much easier to avoid detection, plus the DD's are really relying on sound. Later in the war you need the depth to change courses as I've found 5+ ships will hunt you at one given moment.

My advice, have a couple Petty officers who are repairmen in the later years, they'll save you bacon.

TDK1044 · 08-03-2005, 02:16 PM

Also, the deeper you are, the more thermal layers there are between you and the destroyer. A thermal layer makes it harder for him to detect you. Dive deep, select silent running mode and move slowly away.

Duli · 08-03-2005, 02:32 PM

Thermal layers arent simulated into this game.

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 08-03-2005, 02:44 PM

with depth comes safety... and a lil coating of Albericht can't hurt either...

--Mike

JohnnyPotPie · 08-03-2005, 02:47 PM

it all depends, sometimes your sound sig. can be louder at a deeper depth... it all depends on the temp. of the water. I dont know if this game does it right... best way to not get killed is to not let them chase you in the first place!

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 08-03-2005, 02:54 PM

ok... you can stay up there and mess around with those dds if you want to... as for me, i'll be as deep as i can... at silent speed... enjoying the latest movies in the crews mess...

ooops, wrong war

--Mike

Dargo · 08-03-2005, 03:04 PM

The change to hit a sub below 100 meter is or must be diffucult than above that depth ( how deeper you are how longer the charge is on his depth where he is set on to explode)

The sink rate of the Mark 7 was a fairly slow 6 feet per second, which meant there was a very long blind time during which a deep-diving enemy sub could attempt to evade before the pattern eached it. In late 1942, a modified Mark 7 charge was equipped with added lead weight, which increased the sink rate to 13 feet per second

The sink rate of the Mark 6 was 8 feet per second. When weight was added, the sink rate was increased to 12 feet per second

The Mark 9 (1943) has a sink rate of 14.5 feet per second.

A simple feet to meter conversion is,
1 feet = approximately .3080 meters

Example: 75 ft x .3080 = 23.1 meters deep

Remix_ · 08-03-2005, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carcassonne

I agree, the deeper you are the more time you have to avoid DCs; however, it's a double edged sword, sure you have more time to evade but those DC that detonate near you cause more damage.

I knew that deeper the better to avoid them (more time to run away, plus more drifting along the sea currents), but I had never thought that DC would also do more damage. I guess it's just because of the pressure.

Fritz · 08-03-2005, 06:42 PM

100 meters, 1 KTS, silent mode = safe for me :-) (running 1.4)

canimo · 08-03-2005, 07:53 PM

Ok thx for all the explanation. . .

But and when it comes to detection ?? Is it harder for them to hear you at 170m than 80m ??

Plus I read somewhere that even ALL STOP wont save you, cause their sonar isnÂ´t based on how much noise we make

Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense · 08-03-2005, 08:03 PM

well if they're pinging you... you can be as quiet as a rock... and they'll still see you...

gotta find those thermals... what!!! they don't exist in SH3... no wayyyy

--Mike

btaft · 08-03-2005, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Carcassonne wrote:
I agree, the deeper you are the more time you have to avoid DCs; however, it's a double edged sword, sure you have more time to evade but those DC that detonate near you cause more damage.

I knew that deeper the better to avoid them (more time to run away, plus more drifting along the sea currents), but I had never thought that DC would also do more damage. I guess it's just because of the pressure.

Along these lines does anyone know if the effective radius of the depth charge is modeled as a function of depth. i.e. the deeper the depth charge goes before exploding the smaller the effective blast area (due to pressure) but the larger the effect is on your sub due to the strain that it is under if you are within that blast radius. Or is it a static value regardless of where it explodes

08-03-2005, 01:44 PM	#1
canimo Keelhauled Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: AM47 :^) Posts: 195 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The deeper the safer ??? To what depth should i dive to avoid : a. Detection ? b. Damage from DC ? The point is, If i am at 180m is it harder for DDÂ´s to hear me than at 60m ?? And when it comes to DC damage ? Is it just like a guess lotery ? The DD guesses my depth and I guess their DC setting ?? Do they have a depth limit to go off ???

08-03-2005, 01:53 PM	#2
KodiakPA Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Patroling Puget Sound Posts: 186 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The deeper you are the more time you have to evade depth charges. __________________ "We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so...very...pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die." -Mal - Firefly

08-03-2005, 02:32 PM	#6
Duli XO Join Date: May 2005 Location: Novo mesto, Slovenia Posts: 413 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Thermal layers arent simulated into this game. __________________

08-03-2005, 02:47 PM	#8
JohnnyPotPie Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 130 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	it all depends, sometimes your sound sig. can be louder at a deeper depth... it all depends on the temp. of the water. I dont know if this game does it right... best way to not get killed is to not let them chase you in the first place! __________________ be more aggressive

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08-03-2005, 01:56 PM	#3
canimo Keelhauled Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: AM47 :^) Posts: 195 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	it never crossed my mind... think i could never be a skipper

08-03-2005, 02:14 PM	#4
Carcassonne Lieutenant Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 263 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I agree, the deeper you are the more time you have to avoid DCs; however, it's a double edged sword, sure you have more time to evade but those DC that detonate near you cause more damage. DD's use pings to determine your depth and upon locating your depth adjust their DC's to detonate in approximation of that figure. I will say that it's more difficult for them to ping you the deeper you go. I've found from personal experience in game that you needn't go very deep in relation to crush depth to avoid DCs. I rarely go below 100m in the years '39 - '42. From '43 and on I tend to hit the 170 meters deep. There are a few reasons for that: earlier in the war it's seldom you're DC'd by more than 1 or 2 ships at a time and it's much easier to avoid detection, plus the DD's are really relying on sound. Later in the war you need the depth to change courses as I've found 5+ ships will hunt you at one given moment. My advice, have a couple Petty officers who are repairmen in the later years, they'll save you bacon.

08-03-2005, 02:16 PM	#5
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,672 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Also, the deeper you are, the more thermal layers there are between you and the destroyer. A thermal layer makes it harder for him to detect you. Dive deep, select silent running mode and move slowly away.

08-03-2005, 02:44 PM	#7
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,339 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	with depth comes safety... and a lil coating of Albericht can't hurt either... --Mike

08-03-2005, 02:54 PM	#9
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,339 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	ok... you can stay up there and mess around with those dds if you want to... as for me, i'll be as deep as i can... at silent speed... enjoying the latest movies in the crews mess... ooops, wrong war --Mike

08-03-2005, 06:42 PM	#12
Fritz Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 60 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	100 meters, 1 KTS, silent mode = safe for me :-) (running 1.4)

08-03-2005, 07:53 PM	#13
canimo Keelhauled Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: AM47 :^) Posts: 195 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Ok thx for all the explanation. . . But and when it comes to detection ?? Is it harder for them to hear you at 170m than 80m ?? Plus I read somewhere that even ALL STOP wont save you, cause their sonar isnÂ´t based on how much noise we make

08-03-2005, 08:03 PM	#14
Mike 'Red Ocktober' Hense The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 1,339 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	well if they're pinging you... you can be as quiet as a rock... and they'll still see you... gotta find those thermals... what!!! they don't exist in SH3... no wayyyy --Mike