Is SHIII boring you.

ridgewayranger · 07-31-2005, 02:23 PM

As a fan of many years of SH1 and later SH2 I eagerly looked forward to the latest version. Installed XP, ATI Pro 9800 card, more memory and then paid my $50 for the download. Apparently the number of times I can do this is severely limited and I don't even have a disk I can resell.
The game I find to be boring and unstable. Wonderful graphics, even voice control, but I don't want to spend hours looking at trees and buildings as I drive my boat to get to a patrol area where nothing is likely to happen anyway. Start the missions in the patrol areas
I know it is realistic, I was a diesel boat submariner for years, but I can be bored in life without paying for it. What I would like from my game is some interest, even excitement. If you want hard cold realism join the Navy and let me have my vicarious pleasure. I still play SH1 thanks to the instructions on how to run it on XP.

joea · 07-31-2005, 02:39 PM

You do know you can change time accleration to speed up getting out of ports right?

Ultraboy · 07-31-2005, 02:45 PM

I've sunk ten times as much during the transit to-and-from my patrol area than I've actually sunk in the patrol area. I just make sure my route goes along the same path as one of the shipping routes on the map. (Which you may not have...) I agree in part that the game can be boring, particularily early in the war. But later on when you have to fight to sink anything without getting raped by escorts, it get's exciting.

Also, I don't know what realism level you play on, but if you're bored, the closer to 100%, the better in my opinion. New challenges are good if you're looking for more to do. And again, nothing is like the first time you go through a heavy depth-charging with no external view and nothing to look at but your exploding gauges through the darkness.

Anyway, I don't know how you have the game set up now, so these are just a couple pieces of general advice, hopefully helpful.

The Avon Lady · 07-31-2005, 02:49 PM

Boring? No way!

But maybe that's because I never spent earlier times playing SH1 and SH2 as well. Maybe you're maxed out? Nothing to be ashamed of.

And I've joined the Wolves @ War team and enjoying the atmosphere even more.

kholemann · 07-31-2005, 03:09 PM

Yea... I am thinking about going back in time in the game to my VIIB and trading it in for a VIIC just to have the extra FLAK guns since even though I do really like the IXC, you have to go at the slowest speed to get the best economy and it takes too long for me to sit at my PC and just watch a blip crawl slower than a snail across the Atlantic.

Indeed, this is a simulator but on the other hand it should also be able to be an enjoyable, non-painful experinence. I do like the levels of detail but I disagree that the 'Captain' has to do every last thing on the boat (otherwise, it is pointless to have other officers). I don't feel that my points should be penalized just because I don't want to do realistic targetting for example. I have a weapons officer that can do that (like Dealy did with O'Kane).

Oh well...

I have saved my SH3 folder so I can go back to the IXC but I think I am going to go back to my VIIB and trade it in for a VIIC and see which way would be better.

jasonb885 · 07-31-2005, 10:48 PM

Of late, yes, I have grown bored. My system is too slow to responsively move my boat along at 2048x TC to my patrol grid. There's nothing between the grid and myself, as I use IC with greatly reduced single ship traffic.

I sail an VIIB or C, so my patrol grids are close. It still takes at least 20 minutes, real time, to get on station. In mid and late war that will only increase as you frequently must move submerged during the day to avoid death by aircraft. (Rightly so.)

Meanwhile, the crew ranking system seems broken. Few of the skills are really of any value, and with Real U-Boat they diminish in value even further. The only useful skills are helm, which you already have plenty of, radioman, watchman, mechanic, and repair.

Torpedoman is useless, since you can't reload in battle at high realism and therefore it doesn't matter if it takes 15 minutes or 35 minutes to reload. Medic is useless since the damage model is broken, so usually you're just dead.

Deck gun is useless, since RuB has realistic reload times within the confines of the SH3 engine.

Anti-air is useless, since planes in RuB will own you to death.

The reward system is broken, so once you get a certain quantity of renown you always get certain medals. Rather disinteresting.

You could skip the whole crew system in SH3 and it wouldn't effect playability that much, since it's broken anyway as far as I can tell.

That coupled with it taking me two to eight hours to complete a patrol, and the save game bugs forcing you to never reload when possible, results in my playing for up to eight hours straight.

Sure, I could spend a lot of money on a faster system to run at 2048X TC more effectively, but that's just silly. The game ought to handle time compression sanely in the first place.

I'm just too busy to make time to play anymore. I don't feel like the reward is worth the expenditure of time.

I still intend to keep ImprovedConvoys updated and improved as playability issues are brought to my attention, though.

ShipperS7 · 07-31-2005, 11:25 PM

I'm not bored. I like the campaign. Nothing usually happens in patrol area, but i have intercepted dozens of convoys on the way.

terrapin · 08-01-2005, 02:17 AM

Bored? What's this?

The Avon Lady · 08-01-2005, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terrapin

Bored? What's this?

A hull puncture.

jason210 · 08-01-2005, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonb885

Meanwhile, the crew ranking system seems broken. Few of the skills are really of any value, and with Real U-Boat they diminish in value even further. The only useful skills are helm, which you already have plenty of, radioman, watchman, mechanic, and repair.

That's quite a lot anyway, but both gunners do reduce loadtime and increase accuracy, and are also more responsive. Medics cure the injured who would otherwise die; Sonarmen make the sonar more sensitive; Torpedomen reduce load times.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonb885

Torpedoman is useless, since you can't reload in battle at high realism and therefore it doesn't matter if it takes 15 minutes or 35 minutes to reload. Medic is useless since the damage model is broken, so usually you're just dead..

Never had this problem. Perphaps you're using a mod?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonb885

Deck gun is useless, since RuB has realistic reload times within the confines of the SH3 engine.

Anti-air is useless, since planes in RuB will own you to death.

Then don't use RuB! That's the whole point of it. You can't fairly criticise a game after you've installed a mod that is designed to do just what you're complaining of.

I think it's natural to get fed up with a game after a while, however good it is. It needs new stuff to come out to keep the interest up. That's why games like Operation Flashpoint and MS Flight Simulator last so long - always new stuff being brought out.

What I'd like to see is an official expansion pack that fixes the final bugs, and changes the code here and there to give new functionality. Or at least release an SDK before interest fades!

Catfish · 08-01-2005, 04:04 AM

Avon lady wrote:
Bored, what's this ? "A hull puncture"
Drilling can be boring sometimes.

Greetings,
Catfish

Stealth Elephant · 08-01-2005, 07:17 AM

I haven't played Silent Hunter III in weeks.

Now that I've recently recovered from an injury to my hands and wrists, I'm free to play my widdle games again, and I've been devoting so much of my time to replaying the classics that I don't even consider Silent Hunter III anymore!

Well, once my hyper-gaming-as-a-result-of-forced-abstinence has abated, I might return to my U-boat and its lonely crew. It's just too slow and methodical a game for me to jump right back into.

Seminole · 08-01-2005, 07:19 AM

Bored with SHIII????... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ...that's a good one.

SmokinTep · 08-01-2005, 08:13 AM

Not really. I read a book during the dull times at sea.............

SteamWake · 08-01-2005, 08:23 AM

I just dont get these kind of threads.

Okay so it bores you. Why bore us ?

Go get yourself a copy of The Sims and have a nice day.

07-31-2005, 02:23 PM	#1
ridgewayranger Frogman Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ipswich, England Posts: 295 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 0	Is SHIII boring you. As a fan of many years of SH1 and later SH2 I eagerly looked forward to the latest version. Installed XP, ATI Pro 9800 card, more memory and then paid my $50 for the download. Apparently the number of times I can do this is severely limited and I don't even have a disk I can resell. The game I find to be boring and unstable. Wonderful graphics, even voice control, but I don't want to spend hours looking at trees and buildings as I drive my boat to get to a patrol area where nothing is likely to happen anyway. Start the missions in the patrol areas I know it is realistic, I was a diesel boat submariner for years, but I can be bored in life without paying for it. What I would like from my game is some interest, even excitement. If you want hard cold realism join the Navy and let me have my vicarious pleasure. I still play SH1 thanks to the instructions on how to run it on XP.

07-31-2005, 02:49 PM	#4
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,921 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Boring? No way! But maybe that's because I never spent earlier times playing SH1 and SH2 as well. Maybe you're maxed out? Nothing to be ashamed of. And I've joined the Wolves @ War team and enjoying the atmosphere even more. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

07-31-2005, 10:48 PM	#6
jasonb885 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,756 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Of late, yes, I have grown bored. My system is too slow to responsively move my boat along at 2048x TC to my patrol grid. There's nothing between the grid and myself, as I use IC with greatly reduced single ship traffic. I sail an VIIB or C, so my patrol grids are close. It still takes at least 20 minutes, real time, to get on station. In mid and late war that will only increase as you frequently must move submerged during the day to avoid death by aircraft. (Rightly so.) Meanwhile, the crew ranking system seems broken. Few of the skills are really of any value, and with Real U-Boat they diminish in value even further. The only useful skills are helm, which you already have plenty of, radioman, watchman, mechanic, and repair. Torpedoman is useless, since you can't reload in battle at high realism and therefore it doesn't matter if it takes 15 minutes or 35 minutes to reload. Medic is useless since the damage model is broken, so usually you're just dead. Deck gun is useless, since RuB has realistic reload times within the confines of the SH3 engine. Anti-air is useless, since planes in RuB will own you to death. The reward system is broken, so once you get a certain quantity of renown you always get certain medals. Rather disinteresting. You could skip the whole crew system in SH3 and it wouldn't effect playability that much, since it's broken anyway as far as I can tell. That coupled with it taking me two to eight hours to complete a patrol, and the save game bugs forcing you to never reload when possible, results in my playing for up to eight hours straight. Sure, I could spend a lot of money on a faster system to run at 2048X TC more effectively, but that's just silly. The game ought to handle time compression sanely in the first place. I'm just too busy to make time to play anymore. I don't feel like the reward is worth the expenditure of time. I still intend to keep ImprovedConvoys updated and improved as playability issues are brought to my attention, though. __________________ X1 = Thieves Starforce officially promotes piracy of unprotected game, Galactic Civilizations II! eh? Improved Convoys mod!

07-31-2005, 11:25 PM	#7
ShipperS7 Torpedoman Join Date: May 2005 Location: California, USA Posts: 112 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm not bored. I like the campaign. Nothing usually happens in patrol area, but i have intercepted dozens of convoys on the way. __________________

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07-31-2005, 02:39 PM	#2
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 4,396 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	You do know you can change time accleration to speed up getting out of ports right?

07-31-2005, 02:45 PM	#3
Ultraboy Navy Dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Mysterious Canadas Posts: 174 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I've sunk ten times as much during the transit to-and-from my patrol area than I've actually sunk in the patrol area. I just make sure my route goes along the same path as one of the shipping routes on the map. (Which you may not have...) I agree in part that the game can be boring, particularily early in the war. But later on when you have to fight to sink anything without getting raped by escorts, it get's exciting. Also, I don't know what realism level you play on, but if you're bored, the closer to 100%, the better in my opinion. New challenges are good if you're looking for more to do. And again, nothing is like the first time you go through a heavy depth-charging with no external view and nothing to look at but your exploding gauges through the darkness. Anyway, I don't know how you have the game set up now, so these are just a couple pieces of general advice, hopefully helpful.

07-31-2005, 03:09 PM	#5
kholemann Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 135 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Yea... I am thinking about going back in time in the game to my VIIB and trading it in for a VIIC just to have the extra FLAK guns since even though I do really like the IXC, you have to go at the slowest speed to get the best economy and it takes too long for me to sit at my PC and just watch a blip crawl slower than a snail across the Atlantic. Indeed, this is a simulator but on the other hand it should also be able to be an enjoyable, non-painful experinence. I do like the levels of detail but I disagree that the 'Captain' has to do every last thing on the boat (otherwise, it is pointless to have other officers). I don't feel that my points should be penalized just because I don't want to do realistic targetting for example. I have a weapons officer that can do that (like Dealy did with O'Kane). Oh well... I have saved my SH3 folder so I can go back to the IXC but I think I am going to go back to my VIIB and trade it in for a VIIC and see which way would be better.

08-01-2005, 02:17 AM	#8
terrapin Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,026 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bored? What's this?

08-01-2005, 04:04 AM	#11
Catfish SUBSIM Diehard Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 2,944 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Avon lady wrote: Bored, what's this ? "A hull puncture" Drilling can be boring sometimes. Greetings, Catfish

08-01-2005, 07:17 AM	#12
Stealth Elephant Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Leesburg, Virginia Posts: 121 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I haven't played Silent Hunter III in weeks. Now that I've recently recovered from an injury to my hands and wrists, I'm free to play my widdle games again, and I've been devoting so much of my time to replaying the classics that I don't even consider Silent Hunter III anymore! Well, once my hyper-gaming-as-a-result-of-forced-abstinence has abated, I might return to my U-boat and its lonely crew. It's just too slow and methodical a game for me to jump right back into.

08-01-2005, 07:19 AM	#13
Seminole The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,556 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	Bored with SHIII????... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ...that's a good one.

08-01-2005, 08:13 AM	#14
SmokinTep Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 1,053 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not really. I read a book during the dull times at sea.............

08-01-2005, 08:23 AM	#15
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,953 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I just dont get these kind of threads. Okay so it bores you. Why bore us ? Go get yourself a copy of The Sims and have a nice day.