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Old 05-03-13, 04:41 AM   #1
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Default Only known surviving Dornier 17 to be raised from the English Channel

Cool, I hope they restore it - although its not really clear in the artical

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/w...ery-grave.html

And its destined for a new Home at Hendon RAF museum, little more than an hour from where I live..... excuse me but I think one of these is in order
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Old 05-03-13, 06:31 AM   #2
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Will certainly make another trip to Hendon worthwhile
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Hope they can restore it
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I can not recall seeing a aircraft that was not restored when displayed at any museum I have visited. Effort to recover the craft is enough to warrant a full restoration. I would think the aircraft would get a proper restoration down to every detail. Many years it will take but it will be done IMO.
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Here is the original thread hereabouts of finding it with the plan to raise it. I'm glad it's got this far, and obviously a full restoration would be great.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=182331

And two more.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=182351
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=182408

And some BBC videos of it -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22394606
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22386431
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22380915
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I notice the Germans aren't too hopeful regarding its condition...aluminium and salt water certainly don't compliment each other.
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I notice the Germans aren't too hopeful regarding its condition...aluminium and salt water certainly don't compliment each other.
No, but the aluminium oxide doesn't flake like iron oxide, in fact it forms a nice skin which acts to protect the rest of the aluminium from the water.
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Hopefully that will be the case but either way they'll have to be doing the equivalent to treading on eggshells whilst raising her.
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I notice the Germans aren't too hopeful regarding its condition...aluminium and salt water certainly don't compliment each other.
I'm thinking those involved are not hopeful for great condition but enough to warrant a restoration. Many aircraft here in the state have been restored with much of nothing left that resembled the aircraft. Perhaps the ocean life that lives on the surfaces(coral) protected the aircraft to some degree?
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Reminds me of this Halifax at Hendon...







http://www.archieraf.co.uk/archie/10...continued.html
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Jim,

Was the plane left in this condition?
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Many aircraft here in the state have been restored with much of nothing left that resembled the aircraft.
And many aircraft after the restoration have resembled nothing like what the aircraft in question was. That's what I'm most worried about in this case too.
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And many aircraft after the restoration have resembled nothing like what the aircraft in question was. That's what I'm most worried about in this case too.
Yeah, this was my first thought too.
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And many aircraft after the restoration have resembled nothing like what the aircraft in question was. That's what I'm most worried about in this case too.
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Yeah, this was my first thought too.
But then your second thought was, 'Many aircraft here in the states have been restored from much of nothing left that resembled the aircraft when it was recovered.'

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And many aircraft after the restoration have resembled nothing like what the aircraft in question was. That's what I'm most worried about in this case too.
Can you point me to those? For the life of me, I do not believe 1000's spent to restore a P-40 it would look like a Sopwith Camel when completed.
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