Have you guys ever heard of...(warning, long post)

[Sledgehammer427]

...this before?

The other night, I was at a church gathering, on facebook with my phone, and I saw a link posted by a friend of my mothers (really gotta stop accepting those friend requests) what said a predator drone will be showing up at the airshow this coming weekend in Rockford IL

Me, the girlfriend, my best friend, his girlfriend, their sisters, and a whole cadre of other people, will be there, of course, getting lots of pictures.

Okay back to the story, my moms friend has always been on the stranger side of things, she introduced me to Buddhism and all sorts of spiritual stuff, and I thank her for my ability to be so...whats the word I'm looking for,
TOLERANT. thats it.
anyway, she and her friends posts this, and I'm going to copy and paste these comments. I can't even begin to joke on this level.

anyone that gos to see this airshow must heed caution. these drones are capable of more than the authorities are telling us!!! wear your tinfoil hats (and i am being serious btw)... love and light beautys XO
[same person, a few comments down]
personally i would not want to be anywhere within miles of a drone aircraft, they're just another technical advancement being misused by the dark powers that be but maybe im just paranoid,,, or not?!!!! ***9829; XO

from my moms friend now

yes, they mention that it will be a "static" display. sounds oh, so comforting, doesnt it? i might just take my kids there as an edumacational experience.....
actually, i think i AM going to take them, I want to get a 'read' sts on these things....

any way, I'll try to save you from the bulk of my response, as I'm sure I'm wrong with a lot of stats but, here goes

Well, looks like me and the cadre are gonna have more to the posse at the airshow.
and with the Drone WYSIWYG, It's a flying camera platform with the ability to fire HELLFIRE missiles.
Before you ask, HELLFIRE stands for HELicopterLaunchedFIREandforget. It's an adaptable rail-launched missile system that actually takes up the bulk of the "dome" in front of the aircraft. The rest of it is occupied by the transmitter, the receiver, and the recording equipment that has been standard since the satellites we launched in the early 60's to keep tabs on communist countries.
These drones are only capable of that. again, I did the homework. there is barely enough space for the fuel, the cameras, and the wiring for the missiles. No special tanks to spray chemicals to calm the population, nothing special like that. and there are less expensive ways to keep tabs on the population, fyi.

This is my moms friends response, after she respectfully posts she was not looking for an argument, which I'm okay with to a point (my friends agree, why post it to a public space if you don't want argument from a knowledgeable person on the subject.
here's where it gets fun. again, I wish I was making this up...

With all due respect, I've spent a good 45 years predominantly in the masculine energetic state of logic and reason. And throughout those 45 yrs I had experiences that logic and reason failed utterly and miserably to explain. Last year those experiences started accelerating at warp speed. All i know...is what i know. PERIOD. I embrace the intuition that Einstein refers to as the Divine gift and EMPLOY the reason that he refers to as teh servant of the gift. Making no excuse or apology, i simply no longer bow down before that God. So please feel free to do whatever research you feel justified in doing, do whatever homework satisfies you and please allow me to come to my own decisions in the way that works best for ME. Because the way that you propose, the way that does work for you right here, right now...does NOT work for me. Its not "wrong"--its just not MINE. You're right where you are supposed to be and I'm right where I'm supposed to be

I was fine with leaving it there. but here comes her friend.

anything that is capable of sending and receiving radio transmissions is capable of manipulating the human mind blessings XO

my response to her friend

one at a time, maybe, over the course of hundreds of years, the power required that you speak of, Gabriella, has come to fruition over the last...10-15 years.
in order to manipulate the human mind (which, by the way, if you have proof that you can do so using anything that can fit in a small airframe like that, you let me know), you would require a microwave transmitter housed in that aircraft as big as a volkswagen bus. and a battery pack twice that size to continue to put out that kind of energy. it would have to be a hybrid, since one would need to constantly regenerate power, and every time you land to refuel (even Prius' need to get gas, just not as often) the effects would wear off because you would need a constant supply of the emissions to manipulate the brainwaves you speak of.
So obviously, you have to pack all that into a 747, into a pack of them flying around constantly, and not just a pack. but multiple packs. like....2 per county per state, and thats the low estimate.
Aluminum overcast anyone? Impossible. Satellites don't have that much juice to transmit that kind of energy over long distances for very long (I'd give it a month on the high end)
frankly, its impossible to do it for long, and on the scale that it would require. MAybe you all are living in a "No coverage zone" hah.

again, my moms friend posts she didn't want argument on her wall, that she posted the link to share with her like minded friends. She says this

This is my space, my wall, to do with what I will. And I do not want debate. I dont want anything of an adversarial nature.

If you need to justify and prove to others that this is wrong, or not borne out by science, or illiogical or unjustified in the popular media, please feel free to share it on your own wall. I cant speak for my friends, but i can speak for myself., Frankly, i dont CARE what science justifies or validates in this regard. And you're not going to get it because you are INSIDE the matrix, okay? You're invested in maintaining that paradigm, and that is OK. Seriously.

That said, there are those of us who dont buy into the matrix any longer and quite frankly, we have no need for it. WE DONT SERVE IT ANY LONGER. Not only that, but it doesnt WORK FOR US, either! (kind of an inside joke). Frankly, my position IS WHAT IT IS. I dont need to rationalize or explain it or defend it. And I would appreciate it very much if you would please respect my space to discuss this freely and openly with my friends without imposing this uber-rational thing that is a symptom of precisely what is at the root of this all anyhow. Please...and thank you. Namaste.

Okay, I'm leaving the phone now and going to bed, this has gone on for two hours, I'm hone and I'm about to fall asleep WHEN
her friend comes along...

im with you [moms friends name here] with all due respect [SH427], the knowledge we share requires no physical proof, as some of us are now far surpassed the masculine dominated ego driven paradigm and are intune with the feminine phoenix now risen from the ashes. if you still are anchored firmly within the physical realm, and still need proof, i will do my research and find it for you. in time. love and light XO

Masculine...dominated...ego-driven....paradigm...

And here's the last comment I made on this post. just trying to back out with whatever I can. just so it will stop

Alright. Sorry, missing the not inviting debate part.
But I am also not a big fan of the "giving up cold, hard facts" part.
And its also absolutely lovely that you guys have transcended the masculine ego dominated thing. But to say what you say requires, demands outright physical evidence. That's where and why I stepped in. Not imposing on your spirituality in any way other than pointing out where the need for physical proof begins.
Especially because you are walking in a field where I hold a great amount of expertise and knowledge. The field thrives on cold fact. Believe it or not that's why the drones were built. To gather intelligence about enemy forces without putting a human pilot in danger. Thus, even according to your philosophy, as far as I've been shown, you're all safe anyway.
Last post on this subject, I do not need responses, I argued my case, and I apologize for doing so when that's not the intent of the original posting.
[moms friend], you can create groups on Facebook that allow you to share your thoughts and ideals amongst like-minded people. You have the option to make it members only view posts.
Just throwing that out there.
Anyway, I'm gonna head out.

I feel I left with enough for my case. I wasn't invited to say anything, but then, there was nothing saying I couldn't, it was only after the fact, that I was told that debate wasn't the point.

she comes back with two long posts, I'm just gonna smash them together.

I can offer my own proof as well, and as Gabriella states, it will take time. but here's the thing:

1-i've literally been led to and through this since i was in my early twenties. Im now 46. Figure at least 25 years.
2- a LOT of this is archived in literally THOUSANDS of pages of documentation
3- these thousands of pages of documentation are A BOOK. it will be ready for publication Q1/2013
4-pulling this all together just for the purposes of this discussion thread is not a priority
5-(and this is probably the most important part) Its not a priority because it just doesnt *matter.*

It doesnt matter because
1. i have all the proof *I* need and that is enough
2. It doesnt HAVE to work for anyone else
3. Getting into a debate over this proof and that proof turns into a pissing contest, which is a microcosmic illustration of what it being discussed here. so please, lets just cut to the chase, which is *exactly* what Ive been saying for the last 2-3 days:

I trust that you've done your own research and that you find it intellectually satisfying to support your beliefs. Likewise I have done my own. To each, their own. Blessed BE. ~***9829;~
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With all due respect---

>>>>But to say what you say requires, demands outright physical evidence.

"What I say" or that i say it--does NOT make this demand.
This "demand" is not universal.
We do not recognize it, validate or demand it.
And quite frankly, we never asked you to LIKE what we are doing, how we are doing it, or that we are doing it.
We dont NEED you to LIKE it.
Actually, we could give a flying rat's butt if ANYONE likes it, approves of it, is a fan of it, or not.
Facebook only has a "like" button. They dont have a "not a huge fan of" button.

You're the only one here in this conversation demanding this physical evidence cold hard facts thing. YOU need it to be convinced. We dont. And you demanding it isnt going to do anything to change the fact that we simply do not require it. We arent trying to convence ANYONE. We dont need you to believe what we know, much less to KNOW what we know.

We come about our knowing in another way. A different way. No, we cant show our work. We dont have to. You dont get "points" in life for "showing your work." We have the answers. We dont NEED to show how we got there, no matter how much anyone else might demand that we do.

What do WE get for jumping through these hoops of physical evidence? APPROVAL? A pat on the head for complying with some subjective need for physical evidence, which will be summarily dismissed ? meh. Seriously. Its a pissing contest. We dont consent to be dragged into it, but if you insist...ok, fine. We concede. YOU WIN. Take the spoils (they have absolutely no value to us whatsoever.) "A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.-ALbert Einstein

Quite frankly, it doesnt MATTER if what we believe stands up to this demand for physical evidence. It is born of our intuition and validated by reason. It makes sense TO US...and that is enough. It doesnt HAVE to work for anyone else NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY MIGHT NEED IT TO. That is what this all comes down to. It doesnt make sense to others the way they need it to make sense. That is THEIR need, not ours. And we are under no obligation to live our lives or to hold beliefs that conform with anyone else's need for physical evidence. Seriously---what do we lose when we allow another to walk their own path? We are not broken. We dont need fixing or correcting. If we want someone to show us THEIR way...we'll ask them about it, but until then, the path most of us have walked has been exceedingly unfulfilling and unsatisfactory PRECISELY because we have allowed others to impose THEIR way upon us. Which is why most of us have given up walking the paths of others, given up the teachers to claim to tell us how to do things "their" right way and simply trust our own knowing. Period.

THAT is what this is about. Its not about "reasons" or history of water fluoridation, debating the efficacy of vaccinations, whether drones can do mind control mojo, if there are chemtrails and what they do, whether HAARP is responsible for tornadoes, if the poles are shifting, or any other conspiracy theory, etc etc etc. And as long as ANYONE points to "evidence" regarding any one of these things, we will kindly and gently tell them that we are not open to debating these things because frankly...we have NOTHING TO debate. These things are NOT the "issues" for us. Its not even the proverbial trees for the forest. Its the LEAVES on the trees of the forest. These things ARE the symptoms, they ARE the EVIDENCE themselves..of something much more deeply and profoundly unbalanced in the core of us each individually, as a species and as a planet. THAT is what this is about for us. And that is why we refuse to "debate" it.

With a great deal of respect, the "suggestion" to create our own groups where we can go do our own thing and have our own discussions is appreciated. We have these already.

But frankly, many of us are sick and tired of being closeted away, hidden in the dark recesses of "closed groups" where we dont disturb some kind of comfortable and complacent mass sensibility of the society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. When we hid in the dark places, they called us witches and heretics and gnostics. And then they sought to "cleanse" the dark places, too.

My spiritual practice requires that I AM nothing but what I AM...openly and freely.Its taken me 46 years to come out of the dark places, the closet, that I was told I had to stay in and conform to. The last thing Im about to do is go back IN. Thanks, though.

This whole thing about creating a group to discuss such things? Might I gently suggest that instead of imposing one's self on the wall space of others who dont consent to this kind of debate, that maybe you create a group, open or closed, that you can debate these things to your hearts content with those who actually WANT to do so?

whooo boy, I feel a lot more sane after reading that, don't you?
Watch out for that Kool-aid.

Anyway, if it's against forum rules to post things like this then please take it down, I just wanted to share this laughable conversation with others who share some of this knowledge that I believe I posess, and see what others think of it. It's viewable publicly, so I don't think theres any harm done.

oh, the last comment was one made by a guy who was tagged in the link itseld, his middle name is "seldom seen"
also, I think I'm one of two (out of 4 or 5) people who used their real names during this convo, my moms friend changed her fb name, and some of them...maybe its just me but they seem artificial too.

Stop feeding the trolls. ; )

whos feeding who?!

[krashkart]

A key thing in life is that sometimes you just can't win an argument no matter how hard you try. That's when you throw your hands in the air and say, "Okay. Whatever", and move on. Tough thing to do when you know for certain that you have all the facts and that the other participants are blabbering some kind of weird nonsense. But what else can you do? Just shrug it off, man. No biggie.

[Stealhead]

How can you claim as evidence a book that has not even been published?

You know some very.... interesting people I will give you that.

[Reece]

I would like to add. . . no I would say. . . it's like this. . . Oh forget it!!

[krashkart]

Actually, there is a 7,000 page book on that very subject which proves you wrong, Reece. It will be published middle of next week. Or possibly Sunday after next. The publishers haven't quite worked out the energies on that yet, but we'll keep you posted.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by krashkart

Actually, there is a 7,000 page book on that very subject which proves you wrong, Reece. It will be published middle of next week. Or possibly Sunday after next. The publishers haven't quite worked out the energies on that yet, but we'll keep you posted.

Thanks I think!

[Stealhead]

It is true here is a photo of the author.



If you truly understand the truth you already have a copy in your head man.

[Sledgehammer427]

I just love that they seem to think that Drones are capable of changing the way we think

I think Small children are capable of providing a better argument because they have the excuse of being small children...

Speaking of small children, she has two daughters, this was something she said earlier that I just omitted. but, I fear for these children...

but will candidly acknowledge that my family comes face to face with those who employ fear as a means to control on a daily basis. Just tonight we were giving thanks for the opportunity to do so. My 6 yr old was jumping up and down with gratitude sending out loving radiance to that which blessed her with the opportunity to expand upon and practice her vision, discernment and neutralization skills. *grins* Just like when my family is employed as test subjects or for training exercises. *shrugs* they dont realize that WE are being trained even while THEY are executing their own training exercises We'll be well shielded and grounded, accompanied by those who reinforce that protection and we will be safe. It will be very good training and experience for all of us to see (literally and otherwise) this up front and personal, to get signatures, sts, and to learn to recognize it. .

everyone on board!!!!

EDIT: Of course, I left out the part where my friends and I are plenty capable of training into a 2-3 squad size paramilitary force...I think that would just add logs to the flames she's cast in my direction, witchcraft reference not intended.

[Osmium Steele]

Sounds like a middle of the road Wiccan to me.

Gotta love em. No really, I gotta. One sister and three good friends are Gaia worshipping pagans. Add to that the many acquaintances I've met through them.

My wife still doesn't get why I have a bonfire every April 30th.
Just my way of nodding to the old gods.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Repeat after me - Cult, or mushrooms - cult, or mushrooms - cult, or mushrooms - cult, or mushrooms - cult, or mushrooms - cult, or mushrooms - cult, or mushrooms - cult, or mushrooms . . .

Just say to her that the existing radio telecommunications networks are obviously doing their job with regard to diverting attention away from them to the drones. That's what the man wanted.