The logistics man, just the logistics

[mapuc]

A few days ago, I saw a movie "Tomorrow When The War Began" (must be a remake of the classic Red Dawn) In this edition, it was the Chinese who had invaded the United States.

While I watched the movie, I remembered that some of the youtube video I've seen, which was about china would invade the United States.

Then I thought, WOW, just the logistics for such a big operation, must be enormous.

It is only in movies, games, and in people's imagination that it would be possible for China to implement something like that. Ok totally impossible it is probably not, but it would probably require a lot of preparation from China's side

Markus

[Skybird]

temporarily seizing some ports and hotspots at the American Westcoast? Do not rule it out completely. But invading the whole country? Occupying it? Forget it.

[Raptor1]

Wasn't that movie set in Australia and completely unrelated to Red Dawn (which is also getting a remake, BTW, which involves the Chinese invading the US)?

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Raptor1

Wasn't that movie set in Australia and completely unrelated to Red Dawn (which is also getting a remake, BTW, which involves the Chinese invading the US)?

I missed the first 3-5 minutes. The first minutes I watched it, I pressed the info-button and I read "that some youth had some camping in the wild....and when they returned...."

I thought when I saw it " Is this, that remake they was talking about" if so then it's a very bad remake.

The info didn't say anything about Australia.
(could offcourse have searched the internet for infomation)

Furthermore, the director of a coming Red Dawn-remake can't use Sovjets soldies again, 'cause that country does not exist anymore
(I could be wrong about that)

Markus

[soopaman2]

They better not re-make Red Dawn.

Red Dawn does not stand up against time, unless you lived as an American during the time when they scared you with Soviets.

Same way they scare you with Al-Quaida.


Hmm maybe I was wrong, it does stand up against time.

Do not re-make Red Dawn. (afterall )


(will watch when it reaches a torrent near me ;P)

[Sailor Steve]

Red Dawn was awful. The parents who own the guns are easily rounded up but their kids manage to save the day? I remember hearing a Russian officer who had defected say that it was their nightmare to recieve an order to invade the US. They believed that everyone in the whole country owned guns and knew how to use them.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I remember hearing a Russian officer who had defected say that it was their nightmare to recieve an order to invade the US. They believed that everyone in the whole country owned guns and knew how to use them.

All jokes aside, if you look at our gun laws compared to other countries worldwide (barring Islamic/ African countries, where you see the iconic pics of children with AK-47s) America is armed to the teeth. Can you imagine if all the thugs with illegal arms, combining with legal gun owners, both (of which) have ability to arm others.

Even a boy from NJ with severely prohibitive gun laws learned how to shoot. I thank my Alabama hailing uncle Dan for that

Is there any nation (not under some kind of duress) as versed in firearms as us?

We feared Japan in WW2 because we thought every citizen would fight us. Projected massive losses on both sides, so we nuked them.

We are that country today. A foreign invasion would be slowed up by the military, and stopped by the citizenry. They would have to nuke us, and face certain death themselves.

That is what we are. Pardon the patriotism, but Americans are cool like that.

[vienna]

We feared Japan in WW2 because we thought every citizen would fight us. Projected massive losses on both sides, so we nuked them.

Actually, the fear was not that they were or might be armed with guns (which they weren't; the Japanese military was as fearful of an armed general citizenry as we were), but, rather the populations supposed cultual inclination to "fight to the death". The Allied military weren't just scared of guns; they were scared of axes, swords, knives, etc. in the hands of a determined foe...

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[TarJak]

Tomorrow when the war began is a movie adaptation of an Australian novel by John Marsden. It is set in Australia and the invading forces are Asian, not specifically Chinese. There are a lot of plot parallels to Red Dawn, but Marsden claims ignorance of that movie when he was writing the books.

There is supposed to be a remake of Red Dawn to be released this year: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234719/

The logistics would be insane in both examples. Australia's chances of repelling an invasion are almost nil however given the state of our standing military. The logistics would still be a nightmare for any country attempting it. The distances and scarcity of freight infrastructure would mean some very careful planning would be needed.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by vienna

Actually, the fear was not that they were or might be armed with guns (which they weren't; the Japanese military was as fearful of an armed general citizenry as we were), but, rather the populations supposed cultual inclination to "fight to the death". The Allied military weren't just scared of guns; they were scared of axes, swords, knives, etc. in the hands of a determined foe...

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They were not armed, very right.
I could(should) have clarified better. But very much right, imagine asking an 18 year old recruit to kill a 70 year old as he attacks you with an adze.

You hesitated slightly, didn't you? could you? The nuke was easy, but it opened Pandoras Box. That old "Nip" or "jap" was defending his home, and I mean his home, not the land his emperor deemed his. Just as we would, our families, they in a way could be our Brethren.

I was more speaking on will to fight. Which they would have killed a huge amount of allies, and unfortionate civilians who saw us as the agressor (, and not the defender (as we were then)

Now combine the same fighting spirit, with firearms!
Not saying it is noble, right, or the path of God. But it is what it is.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

All jokes aside, if you look at our gun laws compared to other countries worldwide (barring Islamic/ African countries, where you see the iconic pics of children with AK-47s) America is armed to the teeth. Can you imagine if all the thugs with illegal arms, combining with legal gun owners, both (of which) have ability to arm others.

There was an episode of M*A*S*H in which Klinger said something along the lines of "They try to invade America? They'll find them in the trunk of a Buick in Brooklyn!"

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

There was an episode of M*A*S*H in which Klinger said something along the lines of "They try to invade America? They'll find them in the trunk of a Buick in Brooklyn!"

Klinger is right, even if he did like wearing dresses. Good thing for us Col. Potter saw right through his ruse and gave us years of good classic TV.

Don't make fun of me if i watched it in syndication ( I still saw every episode at least 3 times) and not live, I am only in my mid 30s, I deserve a break!


Alan Alda, underrated.

[Platapus]

One of my favourite quotes from the movie Casablanca

Major Strasser: Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris?


Rick: It's not particularly my beloved Paris.


Heinz: Can you imagine us in London?


Rick: When you get there, ask me!


Captain Renault: Hmmh! Diplomatist!


Major Strasser: How about New York?


Rick: Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.

[Oberon]

But...But...North Korea managed to invade the US in Homefront!!




Yeah, I winced too.

Invading the US or Australia wouldn't be too tricky given the right amount of commitment to the operation and a liberal dosing of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons however occupying it...pfft, forget it. Ain't gonna happen. You might get some guys flocking to your side depending on the propaganda, but you'd have to committ genocide on an epic scale to pacify the US.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

But...But...North Korea managed to invade the US in Homefront!!




Yeah, I winced too.

Invading the US or Australia wouldn't be too tricky given the right amount of commitment to the operation and a liberal dosing of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons however occupying it...pfft, forget it. Ain't gonna happen. You might get some guys flocking to your side depending on the propaganda, but you'd have to committ genocide on an epic scale to pacify the US.

Agreed....it just isn't going to happen.