Halal and Kosher hit by Dutch ban

[Vendor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15610142

Note: 6 November 2011 Last updated at 04:05 GMT

[Tribesman]

What is it with political parties that put the word "freedom" in their name?

[Vendor]

There is certainly some political vegetarians, which exerts pressure.

[_dgn_]

It seems that in some European countries (Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Iceland ...) ritual methods of slaughtering animals for food are banned.

Laws about animal welfare are made for everybody, whatever its religion.

If some people want eat particular food (or meat), they can import it : it's not prohibited.

About this next law in the Netherlands, what is the opinion of the WWF, which generally protect animals ?

[Skybird]

I once thouight that these ways of slaughtering are even less painful then conventional slaughtering, but I learned from several sources that my assessment and beliefs probbaly are wrong and that they mean even more suffering and pain for the animal.

That's why I am against both.

My respect for these two religions is small to non-existent already, and if they demand that the anmial you eat must be brought to death especially painfully, then this does not help to reverse my opinion on said religions.

A legal ban would be appropriate, not only because it is primitive and cruel, but due to animal protection laws, too.

[Vendor]

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

What is it with political parties that put the word "freedom" in their name?

I've always felt that way about the 'Labour' party.

[_dgn_]

Originally Posted by Skybird

A legal ban would be appropriate, not only because it is primitive and cruel, but due to animal protection laws, too.

Problem is not the law, but its application.

In France, there are such laws about animal protection, for the same reasons. But there are too exemptions for Jews and Muslims ...

So law is not the same for everybody.

"Liberty, Equality, Fraternity" is the motto of the French Republic.

Equality ?

[Vendor]

More Kebab,to the people.

[tater]

Seems to me there should never be religious exceptions for anything.

[Tribesman]

Seems to me there should never be religious exceptions for anything.

Don't tell Santa, he will think you dug up Oliver again

[Krauter]

Why is it that anytime someone stops the Jewish community from doing something so that they can be equal to others is it always the road to the Holocaust?

/facepalm..

[MH]

Originally Posted by Krauter

Why is it that anytime someone stops the Jewish community from doing something so that they can be equal to others is it always the road to the Holocaust?

/facepalm..

You have some serious issue with this issue....

[Krauter]

Care to explain?

All I'm saying is that anytime the "rights" of Jews are questioned, or that laws are made to make Jews equal to other citizens which go against Jewish laws it does not mean that the Government is trying to initiate a pogrom or start another Holocaust.

Did Hitler abuse the use of judiciary laws to put down the Jews? Yes.

Does that mean that a legal government (I say this because the Dutch do not have a totalitarian regime nor a dictatorship) presents laws that go against religion but are designed to improve equality among its citizens mean it is the beginning of a pogrom? I don't think so.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Krauter

Care to explain?

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Nothing to explain.
The Rabbi spoke what he had on his mind...

If some people had been honest with themselves why they support this law it might look a bit diffrent.
I'm sure there is more to this law making than animal welfare consensus.
Also it would be good idea for all Dutch to become vegetarian.
Anyway....if the law makes them feel better about their steaks then well...cool....