Germany back than, vs Isreal now

[the_tyrant]

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES...olo/index.html
(warning, graphic content)

saw it on a different forum

Disclaimer: I am not anti Israel or anti Semitic, i am actually pro Israel

[Penguin]

If you have an opinion why don't you state it, rather than just copying a link?
Do you think this comparision is legit or not? And why so?

[TLAM Strike]

Funny... didn't see any photos in the German colum of Jews with bomb vests blowing up buses or launching rockets in to civillian areas.

[August]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Funny... didn't see any photos in the German colum of Jews with bomb vests blowing up buses or launching rockets in to civillian areas.

Me either, and a wall looks like any other wall but comparing one designed to keep inmates in with one designed to keep armed killers out is just wrong.

[JSLTIGER]

Originally Posted by August

Me either, and a wall looks like any other wall but comparing one designed to keep inmates in with one designed to keep armed killers out is just wrong.

Not to mention that these pictures are taken completely out of context. There's a major difference between prisoners held solely due their race and slowly starved to death, treated inhumanly, etc. and ones that are validly held because they have committed some sort of actual crime and are clothed, fed, and housed humanely. Any doubts about that? Look at the state of the prisoners. You don't see any Israeli prisoners that look like skeletons. Moreover, it looks like the third picture is actually a bunch of Muslim prisoners at prayer. Stark contrast to the Jews who were sat down before being murdered.

[Penguin]

I think that comparision is a kick into the face of the victims of the Nazi rule, a kick into the face of the Israelis and a kick into the face of the Palestinians, too.
I would like to kick the creator of this pamphlet into the face.

That the pictures are out of context is just one thing, no written explanations or facts to backup the claims is another one. That's how the moronic Generation Facebook "communicates" - though I think that the picture is older, have seen that or analogue ones already years ago.

Nice website btw, you learn everything about how the Zionists control America, who shot JFK, the Pearl Harbor hoax, of course that Obama is no US citizen, and, hey, did you know about 9/11?

Originally Posted by Penguin

If you have an opinion why don't you state it, rather than just copying a link?
Do you think this comparision is legit or not? And why so?

[.............]

that's what I thought....

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Disclaimer: I am not anti Israel or anti Semitic, i am actually pro Israel

I find that hard to believe when you post hit and run garbage like this.




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[MH]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

saw it on a different forum

Disclaimer: I am not anti Israel or anti Semitic, i am actually pro Israel

So why the ---- did you post the pictures.
To show how open minded and objective you are.
Or to show how some twisted ---- can easily skew the truth.
Most of the pictures are taken from checkpoints by which Palestinian pass to earn money in Israel.
Checkpoints which did not look like this before they become targets for terrorist attacks and suicide bombers.
Those checkpoints are not photogenic but in most cases people are treated with respect as much as security measures.

Sad girl in a her window crying?
Solder holding a gun which looks as he is aiming at 5 years old?
The other boy just stand relaxed with his hand in his pockets?
That's exactly what anti Israeli propaganda is based on.

Some pictures from Ramallah(behind the wall)








The nazi Palestinian policeman!!!





Have some falafel....

[HunterICX]

Apart from that...you might want to put a warning about graphical content...decapitated head or a burned corpse of a child isn't really pleasant to see you know.

HunterICX

[the_tyrant]

I was positively shocked by the pictures, and I really don't have an opinion that i can express in words easily.

but this comparison is interesting though

[August]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Nice website btw, you learn everything about how the Zionists control America, who shot JFK, the Pearl Harbor hoax, of course that Obama is no US citizen, and, hey, did you know about 9/11?

Website funded by the Iranian ministry of Propaganda, Subversion and Sabotage.

[CCIP]

Violence is horrible no matter who and against whom it's perpetrated, and I don't think apologizing for Israel's misdeeds - and there have been plenty - is necessary.

But the comparison is completely inappropriate, because you can't take those pictures out of their context. In fact, using that kind of visual parallel is EXTREMELY misleading and deceptive. While it's heartbreaking to see dead Palestinian children and atrocities committed by Israeli forces, comparing the Israeli barrier and Israeli security to German extermination camps and the German SS is not only inaccurate, but grossly inappropriate and just flat out disgusting, because some uneducated fool out there will see it and internalize that as a true parallel. There's not even CLOSE to a comparison. I consider this a slap in the face to the millions of dead and tens of millions who suffered under German occupation.

Instead of showing "reality of violence", all this does is perpetrate a disgusting, divisive myth.

[Skybird]

Highly suggestive, highly manipulative, highly unreasonable, highly biased. Not any objective at all.

Stupid people will love it.

[jumpy]

Perhaps he was curious as to the reception of charged images as part of the propaganda that is so clearly linked with both sides of such conflicts, regardless of morality - clearly he has stirred some polarised views in this thread, directed at him, where, other than posting some pictures with a 'what do you think' feel to them, he has not supported or decried either camp.
Clearly some opinions see it otherwise.

There are plenty of links posted in this forum with no view or opinion attached, and no-one really complains about that, or the context of the links/articles, so why is it that all the toys are grasped, ready to throw out of the pram, when anything to do with the state of israel is involved?

Some of you guys are far to ready to shoot first and ask question later.

For the record, the killing of unarmed men, women and children is an offence to humanity, irrespective of who is behind the trigger. Justifying such deaths as some how necessary or acceptable as part of some larger event is just cold.
Who's to say what the circumstances really are? A picture paints a thousand words, as they say, and comparing two images from either end of an ideological perspective is at best emotive, and at worst divisive (as some of this topic clearly shows).

However, context or not, there are some people in the world who see some quite stark similarities with both sets of images. If we ignore the ideology of the nazis or the state of israel (notice I do not use 'jews' in this context as we are dealing with a government and not a people or creed here) there are some equally shocking events that have more than a passing similarity as they were captured on film as a still image.

To suggest that these images have no relevance to the current ME situation or that it is somehow an attack on the jewish nation is disingenuous at best.
All too often the cry of intolerance or anti-semitism is trundled out and ends up completely overtaking the original point; which is the same for governments all over the world. Refuting a political and ideological government policy is not racist or anti semitic, nor is it anti palestinian or anti islamic, just as the oposite of these is not pro-israeli, or pro-palestinian, or pro-islamic, despite what agitators would try and convince otherwise.

It is true to say that the nazi state murdered many many jews as part of some gross ideology.
It is true to say that the state of israel has murdered many civilian palestinians, both by military means and economic sanctions to create a state separate and of its own, inviolate.
It is true to say that many palestinian and islamic extremists have murdered many israelis for reasons just as obscene as any nazi belief.

So who is 'right' and 'just' in their actions and who is wrong and evil?

They all are. And it always depends on who you ask about whom.

There is no right or wrong in my opinion, there's just disparate groups of people killing each other for some goal that is as insane as any other since time began.

There's certainly no denying the fear and bloodshed of both sets of images - comparing them as a means to support an ideology is subtle and invidious, however. Something which all parties are guilty of. That they both show pain and suffering seems almost beside the point, is lost in the melee that inevitably follows...

Blood feuds, matters of right and wrong and just cause have ceased to have any meaning in real terms. To those caught up in the turmoil an image of a child's severed head is just more fuel for the fires of their cause. The means have become the end, as it were. Endless, perpetual and truly a disgusting account of what we are capable of and willing to wholeheartedly embrace for so long that no-one knows or cares 'who started it' or understands why. In this case, all for some sun baked dirt steeped in religious ideology.
What a waste of time and hope, all of the lives spent for so little cost.

As you might see, I truly do not understand why this continues in the way it does. The only explanation is that humans are insane and the price of our insanity is blood, flowing in rivers out of the past and into our future with no end in sight.
Perhaps I only think this way because I don't live in such a place. But that means I am just as insane given the right circumstances, as anyone forced to live under fear and tyranny.

Sorry chaps, that got very bleak all of a sudden
One thing is sure, our reactions to such horrors often say a great deal more about each of us than we successfully articulate ourselves. Maybe that's where we fail so badly at understanding each other?

[CCIP]

jumpy, like I said, I wouldn't defend Israel - they're in the wrong too. Although in some sense, something like this not only distorts, but also diminishes the reality. It makes it seem like something that's happened before, something that we've 'been there, done that' and know how to deal with. When in fact this is a unique situation that needs a pragmatic solution based on reality, not fictional comparison.