Internet connection experiences problems (merged)

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by RSColonel_131st

Well, sorry but this is kinda getting ridiculous. Neal, Founder of Subsim, still seems to be generally okay with a DRM that doesn't let legitimate customers play their game, at the same time people who admit to work around this annoyance get banned on his forum.

I understand why there are rules against talks about cracks, piracy, warez and assorted topics, but isn't it time Subsim is as harsh towards UBISoft for dropping the ball on paying customers as it is harsh against legitimate paying customers just trying to play their damn game? I'd really like to see Subsim take a side in this, the matter is much too important to remain neutral, IMHO.

And trash every bit of goodwill that Subsim has with the game industry? No, I'd rather that DID NOT happen.

[Catfish]

From another Forum:

"If customers can't play SH 5 due to this, isn't Ubi technically in violation of the license agreement ?"

Good question, isnt't it ? But then all pirates are able to play it, and since Ubisoft obviously preemptively considers all people as pirates, it is not a violation.

Ahem.

Greetings,
Catfish

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

And trash every bit of goodwill that Subsim has with the game industry? No, I'd rather that DID NOT happen.

I assume by "games industry" you mean Ubisoft. The same Ubisoft who have, be Neal's own admission, limited his access to and knowledge of the development of SH5.

Ubisoft don't give a **** about Subsim other than as an avenue through which to make sales. But what the hell, it's no skin off my nose if Neal wants to be an apologist for Ubisoft.* I'm capable of making my own decision to not buy this hobbled piece of ****.

*Reminds me of battered wife syndrome.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

I assume by "games industry" you mean Ubisoft.

And you assume wrong. And that's what happens when you assume. So don't assume.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

And you assume wrong. And that's what happens when you assume. So don't assume.

So who else has goodwill towards Subsim apart from two-bit indie devs that nobody gives a **** about? The answer is nobody.

[alx100]

Sorry if it has already been posted, but here is a reply from Ubi regarding the internet outages:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...6/m/7541043838

[jwilliams]

We all knew this would happen. Ubi should have had measures in place to cope with this. And they should be posting info on their forums to keep there paying customers up to date with whats happening. And even a possible ETA on servers being back up. But there is no update on their forums.

DID THEY NOT SAY

For each title, we carefully study the demand and allocate servers accordingly. We will also of course allocate back-up servers in order to be able to respond to fluctuations in demand. Ubisoft provides 24/7 monitoring of its servers.

http://support.uk.ubi.com/online-services-platform/

So where are these back up servers, and what happened to the 24/7 monitoring?

At around 8am GMT People begain to complain. So its been over 14hrs and still its not fixed.

I don't have any clear information on what the issue is ... but clearly the extended downtime and lengthy login issues are unacceptable, particularly as I've been told these servers are constantly monitored,

said 'Ubi.Vigil', adding,

I'll do what I can to get more information on what the issue is here first thing tomorrow and push for a resolution and assurance this won't happen in the future.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...ervers-Go-Down

So atleast Ubi know about the problem. Now i wonder how long til they sort it out.

[RSColonel_131st]

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

Want to go pitchfork against ubi? Then write a strong letter and send it. Everybody should do it.

But leave subsim out of it.

Isn't it "the media's" job to point out stupid idiotic things in this world? Since subsim is the primary online "magazine" for all things Naval Simulation, I would have thought they would throw their hat in the ring and fight on the side of their forum members (and paying customers of SH5) against this crazy DRM.

I'm not saying to break or cause issues with the Dev Team. The Devs are not the people who came up with this DRM idea, they carry no blame.

An analogy:
I'm a real world aviation/defense journalist. When I see our Minister of Defense make stupid decisions that hurt the Fighter Squadrons and the people working in the Defense Forces, I stand up for them and put forward articles which clearly show the incompetence of that minister and what he's doing wrong in his job. Obviously this is making it harder for me to work with the Defense Department, but I consider it a honor to have such an incompetent man as my enemy.

Of course I could just tell everyone involved in the Fighter Wings to write their Government representative a letter, but for me the job of press and media is to serve as force multiplier for valid concerns of the "people on the street".

But obviously I'm misunderstanding the function of subsim.com.

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by alx100

Sorry if it has already been posted, but here is a reply from Ubi regarding the internet outages:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...6/m/7541043838

You know, the more I read it, the more I am reminded of an MMO.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Originally Posted by Nordmann

You know, the more I read it, the more I am reminded of an MMO.

Except that most MMOs have downtime of about an hour a day and when you're disconnected you don't lose any of your progress.
Ubisoft couldn't even manage that on a single player game! Good grief.

[Mud]

[ignorant mode]

it seems to be working again so we can go back to normal ( whatever that means)

[/ignorant mode]


Mud

[janh]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Nordmann - I totally see the Irony. Like Tater has posted - I could easily say "I told you so". I don't have SH5 BECAUSE of OSP - but I am keeping up with what all is going on with the game as I can so I am not such a noob when I do get it. I do admit though - there is a bit of sadistic satisfaction in seeing us "skeptics" proven correct, though for all those being forced to go without after paying good money, I don't blame you for being upset.

It's important to realize that OSP really isn't about piracy - it never was. Its about mining for Marketing data and controlling software RESALE!

I can't tell you how much I agree! It's been so much fun seeing the issues pop up here that wouldn't even have time to play the game even if I had bought it -- I just spent it all on subsim... I already thought that I need to stop wasting my time here and go back to real life, but I guess the pain of others has always attracted onlookers since the earliest days of humanity...

My only advice to the people having all these issues -- voice your opinion to Ubisoft, tell them what their customers think. Maybe then they won't play such things on you with SHVI. And if you live in Germany -- don't forget your strong consumer rights! ;-)

[Sunfighter]

ARG! When it synced with the server, it overwrote my savegame from last night and replaced it with one with the same name from 2 days ago.

Time to start saving games with seperate names each time i guess....this god damn DRM is really pissing me off now, normally i dont mind that crap and dont understand what the big deal with it is...but this damn one is intrusive as hell.

[Iron Budokan]

Originally Posted by alx100

Sorry if it has already been posted, but here is a reply from Ubi regarding the internet outages:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...6/m/7541043838

A pathetic, and predictable, response from Ubi. Oh, really? You didn't foresee the majority of people who had the game would be playing on the weekend, and you weren't prepared for that?

All you had to do was call Blizzard and ask them when the peak times were for online games. No. Seriously. That's all you had to do. In fact, it was the least you could have done.

Then again, to be fair, given the laughable state of this arcade SubPg game upon release, no one with a functioning brain-stem should be too surprised you dropped the ball on this as well.

[CaptainHaplo]

RSColonel - while I cannot speak for Neal or subsim itself - I think its necessary to correct a few things you have stated.

First off - in this very thread Neal has posted about his personal view of the DRM - and let me quote him on it:

"...... because I have been saying for some time I don't like the DRM but I am not on a crusade to win over it." *emphasis added to the quote*

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1300047&postcount=111

However - Subsim likely is NOT going to come down for OR against OSP - no more than it did against Starforce. Why? Because while it CAN and likely will note how the DRM affects users (either positively or negatively) - Subsim is a site for INFORMATION and Community. Why should IT judge when YOU and I and every user is DOING IT already - either by complaining like you are - or not buying because of OSP - like I am.

Let Neal write his review. Subsim by its very existence is letting people know what the deal is - using this very forum and thread. Its letting YOU tell people what you think. It isn't about what IT thinks - its all about the people that come here and let the rest of the public know.

Ultimately Subsim will have its review - and I suspect OSP will be mentioned, though thats not up to me. But until then - here you have a neutral place to praise and castigate. Not happy with it? Take it up with the folks that have ticked you of in the first place - Ubi......