LCS-1 Commissioned

JALU3 · 11-09-2008, 11:47 PM

May the seas and oceans be kind to her.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...1108-nns07.htm
http://www.ussfreedom.org/

Gotta wonder how she will stack up compared to the FFGs she's to take the place of. There has been a lot of news, not all of it good for her.

jpm1 · 11-10-2008, 01:38 AM

it's pretty and in general when it's pretty it works nice . the stern ramp'll give a new dimension to the specs ops

scrag · 11-10-2008, 02:28 AM

Went to a brief on this one...
It is a stupid idea - Littoral meaning shallow coastal area and stealth...
Hmmmmm let me think - does it have a cloaking device?
So it will be fully visible to the thousands of fishing boats, dhows and trawlers and most of those idiots have cell phones....
Grey Angular Ship, US Flag, Bad guy country - better hope some of their fancy remote vehicles will double as life rafts..

Zachstar · 11-10-2008, 02:42 AM

They will find a use for it. Tho I suspect it is a bunch of hype otherwise.

It was DIRECTLY targeted for a budget cut during the election which is not a good sign.

Jimbuna · 11-10-2008, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpm1

it's pretty and in general when it's pretty it works nice . the stern ramp'll give a new dimension to the specs ops

Yep, she is certainly a nice looker.

I should imagine the success or failure of the design will be determined by whatever tasks are asked of her.

"Don't expect a gallon out of a pint pot" I would say to the Navy.

Rilder · 11-10-2008, 08:14 AM

That ship looks ugly.

AntEater · 11-10-2008, 10:02 AM

Is that the one that did its "Sea Trials" on the great lakes?
(Lake trials????)
Sorry, but the trials process of the USN starts to look like that of Mussolini's italian navy.

Sorry, but something is broken in the US defense industry.
The LCS, the LPD-17, the USGC Deepwater program.....
Is there something like a project manager anywhere near the Pentagon, or are there too many project managers and not enough engineers and real soldiers?
I strongly suspect that the USN keeps building Burke class DDGs not because they are necessary or better suited than the Zumwalts but because it is a proven design build by people who know what they're doing.
Maybe they're allready scared of the mess the Zumwalt project will be.
Ok, with the LCS the problem is that they attempt a SciFi solution to a known problem.
Why didn't they simply build a new class of FFGs, or corvette sized vessel?

PeriscopeDepth · 11-10-2008, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AntEater

Sorry, but something is broken in the US defense industry.

Massive understatement. If the USAF wanted a few hundred Cessna type aircraft for general training, they'd each cost $28 million (lowest bidder), be 15% overweight, have three different possible engine configurations, and enter service eight years late.
PD

jpm1 · 11-11-2008, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scrag

Went to a brief on this one...
It is a stupid idea - Littoral meaning shallow coastal area and stealth...
Hmmmmm let me think - does it have a cloaking device?
So it will be fully visible to the thousands of fishing boats, dhows and trawlers and most of those idiots have cell phones....
Grey Angular Ship, US Flag, Bad guy country - better hope some of their fancy remote vehicles will double as life rafts..

coastal does not mean affected to coastal regions only , Oliver Perry can go on high sea without problems . the ship seems specs ops oriented specs ops happen at night in general . for ships you don't need "perfect" stealth like for fighers for example , a good shape to reduce the radar signature's in general enough

11-09-2008, 11:47 PM	#1
JALU3 Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2007 Location: 11SMS 98896 10565 Posts: 758 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	LCS-1 Commissioned May the seas and oceans be kind to her. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...1108-nns07.htm http://www.ussfreedom.org/ Gotta wonder how she will stack up compared to the FFGs she's to take the place of. There has been a lot of news, not all of it good for her. __________________ "The Federation needs men like you, doctor. Men of conscience. Men of principle. Men who can sleep at night... You're also the reason Section Thirty-one exists -- someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong." -Sloan, Section Thirty-One

11-10-2008, 01:38 AM	#2
jpm1 Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 529 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	it's pretty and in general when it's pretty it works nice . the stern ramp'll give a new dimension to the specs ops Last edited by jpm1; 11-10-2008 at 01:38 AM.

11-10-2008, 02:28 AM	#3
scrag Medic Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Posts: 161 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Stupid Design Went to a brief on this one... It is a stupid idea - Littoral meaning shallow coastal area and stealth... Hmmmmm let me think - does it have a cloaking device? So it will be fully visible to the thousands of fishing boats, dhows and trawlers and most of those idiots have cell phones.... Grey Angular Ship, US Flag, Bad guy country - better hope some of their fancy remote vehicles will double as life rafts.. __________________

11-10-2008, 02:42 AM	#4
Zachstar Admiral Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 2,075 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	They will find a use for it. Tho I suspect it is a bunch of hype otherwise. It was DIRECTLY targeted for a budget cut during the election which is not a good sign. __________________ Last edited by Zachstar; 11-10-2008 at 02:42 AM.

11-10-2008, 08:14 AM	#6
Rilder Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: People's Union of Earth Posts: 2,859 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	That ship looks ugly. __________________ "Democracy for an insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." -Lenin

11-10-2008, 10:02 AM	#7
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 953 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Is that the one that did its "Sea Trials" on the great lakes? (Lake trials????) Sorry, but the trials process of the USN starts to look like that of Mussolini's italian navy. Sorry, but something is broken in the US defense industry. The LCS, the LPD-17, the USGC Deepwater program..... Is there something like a project manager anywhere near the Pentagon, or are there too many project managers and not enough engineers and real soldiers? I strongly suspect that the USN keeps building Burke class DDGs not because they are necessary or better suited than the Zumwalts but because it is a proven design build by people who know what they're doing. Maybe they're allready scared of the mess the Zumwalt project will be. Ok, with the LCS the problem is that they attempt a SciFi solution to a known problem. Why didn't they simply build a new class of FFGs, or corvette sized vessel? __________________ Last edited by AntEater; 11-10-2008 at 10:04 AM.

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