Obama wins Wisconsin

[bookworm_020]

Here in Australia, we created some history. We got ris of a Prime minster when the country was going well economicaly, with low unemployment and politics nice and stable!

Don't think there will be too muh change with the new government (in the general running), but most people wanted the change because they were tired with the old government, and felt they were running on auto pilot.

I think Obama will get the nod to run. To win the big one, he just needs to show he can do the job and be able to sell himself, which he seems able to do.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

It will be interesting AVG , both will need to play to their strengths. I think also there is the change factor, there seems to be considerable momentum regarding this in the US.

Well, take a look down under and hope that wiser heads prevail than change for change's sake...

our PM has been in the job for 3 months, he's been able to do anything for 2 weeks, and he's already divided the nation completely. Not to mention opened us up to billions of dollars of potential compo claims...

[XabbaRus]

I think Clinto could still clinch it. I just don't trust Obama, less than Hillary, at least with her you know what you're getting.

Anyway if either get in say bye bye to your nice shiny F-22s and I think the UK better start shopping for an F-35 standin...**** I forgot, its the Harrier.

[The WosMan]

Obama is terrible. He goes up and gives a speech and talks in a circle about absolutely nothing and everyone thinks it is the word of the Lord. It bothers me how the guy has a cult-like following. He has not really done much of anything in the Senate and the bills he has sponsored are pure crap. The most recent one would pledge 847,000,000,000 dollars of our money to foreign tin horn dictators to be doled out and controlled by the UN. That's not even legal for our government to do as written in the Constitution.

Summed up here is all he sounds like http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rus.../obamaspot.asx

The reason Hillary is losing I think has a lot to do with Bill. Their playing "good cop bad cop" hurt her in a lot of ways and the things he said backfired on them. I also think Hillary turns off a lot of male voters, they see her as their ex-wife. The only reason she is running is because she thinks it is owed to her for putting up with her cheating husband for so many years. I get some measure of enjoyment watching it come crashing down on her after she spent so much time and resources running for office. I felt the same way about Algore.

Now Obama better get control of his wife and her big mouth because I see her being a problem for him. She fired her first shot into the foot the other day when she said that the only time she has ever been proud of her country in her entire life is now when her husband is running for president. I would say that has some racist connotations to it. Obviously she must not be proud of the progress we have made as a nation, the fact that she comes from an affluent family, was able to get an ivy league education, have a successful career as a hospital administrator where both her and her husband earn incomes much higher than the average american. She must not be proud of her country and how it came together to help the tsunami victims, help the 9/11 victims, fire and police and civilians who went to ground zero and cleaned the place up putting their personal welfare and health in harm's way. No ma'am, that is nothing to be proud of.

I think it is when people make comments like this it shows their inner thoughts and what kind of people they really are. There is no way in hell we should let these jokes near the WH.

[baggygreen]

Wosman, and everyone else, i've said before i'll say it again obama is the US's Kevin Rudd, a man who runs around in circles and doesnt know what his own policy is because it changes to suit whoever is asking him. It'll be to your detriment if the man is ultimately elected president.

[The WosMan]

Well I said it and have been saying it. The problem is there are too many stupid voters in this country that don't see it.

[bookworm_020]

Obama takes his home state, not that it's much of a surprise

http://news.smh.com.au/clinton-cling...0221-1tgj.html

[JSLTIGER]

To be honest, even though I'm a registered Democrat, both of these candidates scare the living hell out of me. Obama has no experience and while he's certainly an excellent speaker, much of what he says lacks substance behind it. His advisors are also clearly lacking in experience, and I don't much like their position on many of the issues, especially those regarding the Middle East.

At the same time, while Hillary is not as good an orator, her speeches do have substance. The problem is that the substance that's in them is scary...very, very scary. The health care plan that she's putting forward is absolutely crazy. There's no way to pay for it for everyone, and IMHO, the government should not be making health insurance, of all things, mandatory. Socialized medicine will not work in a country this large, especially given the inability of Americans to wait for anything, least of all doctors.

That leaves McCain...and while I don't agree with a lot of his positions either, I don't think that they'll destroy the country.

[StarFox]

Health care should be available to everyone. I myself am Diabetic, I just lost my dental insurance this past year, right after I had my teeth pulled.

I lose my medical insurance in just over 5 years, when I turn 25. The only hope I have is that by that time, I can get a decent enough College degree and make enough money to cover the cost

so telling that the Country should not try and have national health care pisses me off. A single bottle of Insuln costs over $80. That lasts about a month. A Bottle of Insuln that I no longer take, NPH, costs almost $400 per bottle That last about a month as well.

You think that I should have to pay for that myself just because I cannot afford health care.

[baggygreen]

As far as health care goes, well the US should look at a system similar to Australia - that one works, sure we pay some for it, but its not an extravagent amount and it works well.

[The WosMan]

Originally Posted by StarFox

Health care should be available to everyone. I myself am Diabetic, I just lost my dental insurance this past year, right after I had my teeth pulled.

I lose my medical insurance in just over 5 years, when I turn 25. The only hope I have is that by that time, I can get a decent enough College degree and make enough money to cover the cost

so telling that the Country should not try and have national health care pisses me off. A single bottle of Insuln costs over $80. That lasts about a month. A Bottle of Insuln that I no longer take, NPH, costs almost $400 per bottle That last about a month as well.

You think that I should have to pay for that myself just because I cannot afford health care.

So what you are saying is I should not only provide for myself and family through my hard work and determination but also for you and everyone else that has a sickness? I got enough of my own problems without the government taking more of my tax money to throw at other's problems. My life wasn't always easy but I have done fairly well for myself through hard work, I have a decent employer, and I will be damned if Hillary or Obama try to take that away from me.

[StarFox]

Yes I do believe your taxes, and my taxes should aid those in need of help

I am lucky to have a family with decent health care, if we did not, I would not be typing this, I would have been dead for over 6 years. I was very very close to death when I finnaly got to the hospital, my blood Sugar was over 1100. Most diabetics come in around 500-600 max when they are diagnosed, in fact many of the other diabetecs I know were amazed that how high I was, and how lucky I am to still be alive

My point is, when I turn 25, and I lose my moms insurance, if I do not have a good enough job to either buy insurance myself, of have an employer with insurance that can cover the immense cost (Which really limits me to high paying jobs, any company that starts pay at $7 an hour would not conver 1/10th of my medical expenses) I will have two choices. Either pay every penny I have for my insuln other supplies, or die trying to pay

and I'm not exadgerating, 70 years ago, anyone with type I diabetes just died when they got it. The first insuln that could help prevent that gloom case came around when scientests were able to use insuln from pigs to try to bring the human system back to normal, this was back in the 60's if I remember correctly. Of course, without knowing what their blood sugar was, it was hit and miss. the first artifical insuln did not come around until the 1980's, and today, not much has changed. I still have to take insuln, although more modern pumps like mine have replaced needles for some people lucky enough to pay for them. I have to poke my fingers 10 times a day roughly.

You do not seem to grasp both how deadly and expensive

but if you do not believe that people should have medical care, fine, it will be a luxery for all american, and those who cannot afford it are just screwed. Just remember, without care, quite a few people are pretty much either condemmed to be broke to pay their medical bills, or condemmed to death.

[bookworm_020]

The Australian health system isn't as perfect as it should be. For many years free needles were given to drug addicts to reduce the spread of AIDS and Hep B and C. They used them once and then threw them away, without any thought of others who maybe stuck with them.

Diabetecs had to pay for their needles, despite the fact they were more carful with the needles than some health professionals! It was only corrected a couple of years ago after many years of lobbying state and federal government.

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by StarFox

Yes I do believe your taxes, and my taxes should aid those in need of help

I am lucky to have a family with decent health care, if we did not, I would not be typing this, I would have been dead for over 6 years. I was very very close to death when I finnaly got to the hospital, my blood Sugar was over 1100. Most diabetics come in around 500-600 max when they are diagnosed, in fact many of the other diabetecs I know were amazed that how high I was, and how lucky I am to still be alive

My point is, when I turn 25, and I lose my moms insurance, if I do not have a good enough job to either buy insurance myself, of have an employer with insurance that can cover the immense cost (Which really limits me to high paying jobs, any company that starts pay at $7 an hour would not conver 1/10th of my medical expenses) I will have two choices. Either pay every penny I have for my insuln other supplies, or die trying to pay

and I'm not exadgerating, 70 years ago, anyone with type I diabetes just died when they got it. The first insuln that could help prevent that gloom case came around when scientests were able to use insuln from pigs to try to bring the human system back to normal, this was back in the 60's if I remember correctly. Of course, without knowing what their blood sugar was, it was hit and miss. the first artifical insuln did not come around until the 1980's, and today, not much has changed. I still have to take insuln, although more modern pumps like mine have replaced needles for some people lucky enough to pay for them. I have to poke my fingers 10 times a day roughly.

You do not seem to grasp both how deadly and expensive

but if you do not believe that people should have medical care, fine, it will be a luxery for all american, and those who cannot afford it are just screwed. Just remember, without care, quite a few people are pretty much either condemmed to be broke to pay their medical bills, or condemmed to death.

Won't you qualify for 'Medicare' or whatever its called?

[Boris]

Originally Posted by mrbeast

Won't you qualify for 'Medicare' or whatever its called?

Sure, if he lives in Australia