Top notch cops here in UK.

[jumpy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/7096456.stm


anyone else think this guy 'looks Egyptian'?



Another thing; surely it is not wise to zap a 'suspected bomber' with 50 000 volts?

But hey, at least he wasn't carrying a table leg in a plastic bag, otherwise the police would have shot him dead for sure.

Rolleyes at this silly country

[CCIP]

Funny, there's a huge scandal of a similar sort going on in Canada, where a disoriented newly-arrived polish man who didn't speak english spent 10 hours inside an airport (he waited in the wrong area and could not meet his relatives), became seriously agitated and was tasered to death by police (for 24 seconds!) - despite becoming totally cooperative when police arived. The whole thing was recorded on video and it's pretty sick.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

I agree, some of these cases are just ridiculous. I'm glad they are getting proper publicity and raising some outcry, something's gotta be done before tasering people for any reason becomes a norm. Honestly, whoever decided that 50,000v is a harmless way to get someone incapacitated "just in case"...

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by jumpy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/7096456.stm


anyone else think this guy 'looks Egyptian'?



Another thing; surely it is not wise to zap a 'suspected bomber' with 50 000 volts?

But hey, at least he wasn't carrying a table leg in a plastic bag, otherwise the police would have shot him dead for sure.

Rolleyes at this silly country

Are you kidding me? What a cock-up by a pack of dumbass's.

[Letum]

The thing that annoys me is that the police recive no penalty for such cockups.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Are you kidding me? What a cock-up by a pack of dumbass's.

Indeed,
also about the canada case
whats so bloody dificult, Passport , check his nationality and go look for someone who speaks enlgish/polish.
and just order him to take a seat, and to stay calm, easy symbols when done by hand.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Konovalov

Are you kidding me? What a cock-up by a pack of dumbass's.

Originally Posted by Letum

The thing that annoys me is that the police recive no penalty for such cockups.

I agree.

[P_Funk]

What scares me really is how often and how quickly cops seem to be reaching for the taser gun these days. Its like they forgo normal police procedure of trying talk the suspect or even passive target down and just jolt them. I mean really, if someone is being psychotic and unreasonable is shooting them with a painful attack on their nervous system going to calm them? Not to mentiont he fact that if someone is in an altered state as a result of a medical condition doesn't that say that perhaps their body is in a state where a taser could cause severe trauma or even heart failure?

The cops do it just without a second though in a situation where there are other safer alternatives. The polish guy wasn't being aggressive towards the police. Right before they shock him he's walking AWAY from them in what seems obviously to be frustration. Then they tase him over and over til he stops MOVING. I mean when your muscles are all seized and you can't move aren't you going to like... spasm alot when you regain control? That would seem especially true if you're not expecting to be shocked. Then they kneel on his neck which is said to be bad for people just tasered. They taser him continuously and then hit him with more than one...

Why don't they regulate this thing? The taser is more dangerous than the billy club! And its obvious that police all over are lacking in the self control to actually use it correctly. Who tasers a man sitting on a chair crumpled up? It seems far too common that police are using the taser for non-violent, passively resistant targets.

Anyone ever been shocked by electricity? Thats pretty traumatic. Getting hit with 2 tasers and then being sat on by a cop for no good reason? I can't imagine the dreams I'd get.

This.. this is why I don't trust police. They're gonna kill you with a gun shaped weapon that won't even be considered deadly until a few hundred more people die.

[Jimbuna]

Hindsight is a wonderful gift....in times of heightened states of alert, the human factor is always the hardest and biggest unknown commodity.
It's really quite easy to assess a situation and lay blame afterwards.
Another shining example of how a blame culture easily evolves is the backlash when a blue on blue incident occurs.
I tell you what.....next time theres a terrorist threat, give us all a day off and you lot can make the important decisions, carry out the decisive action and deal with the realities of the aftermath.
If anybody should be blamed, it should be the original perpetrators of the situations which give the law enforcement and armed services no alternative other than to act in such a severe manner, always IMO with the best interests of the people they serve at the forefront of their minds.

It's a bloody large and often frightening jungle out there.

[Tchocky]

"blue on blue", jimbuna?

These are trained officers of the law, who are supposed to act properly in situations like this. Excuses that normal citizens can make don't apply.
If a cop loses the run of himself in a tense situation, even, God forbid, one that involves dealing with a suspect, then he shouldn't be in the job.

Originally Posted by P_Funk

What scares me really is how often and how quickly cops seem to be reaching for the taser gun these days. Its like they forgo normal police procedure of trying talk the suspect or even passive target down and just jolt them. I mean really, if someone is being psychotic and unreasonable is shooting them with a painful attack on their nervous system going to calm them? Not to mentiont he fact that if someone is in an altered state as a result of a medical condition doesn't that say that perhaps their body is in a state where a taser could cause severe trauma or even heart failure?

The cops do it just without a second though in a situation where there are other safer alternatives. The polish guy wasn't being aggressive towards the police. Right before they shock him he's walking AWAY from them in what seems obviously to be frustration. Then they tase him over and over til he stops MOVING. I mean when your muscles are all seized and you can't move aren't you going to like... spasm alot when you regain control? That would seem especially true if you're not expecting to be shocked. Then they kneel on his neck which is said to be bad for people just tasered. They taser him continuously and then hit him with more than one...

Why don't they regulate this thing? The taser is more dangerous than the billy club! And its obvious that police all over are lacking in the self control to actually use it correctly. Who tasers a man sitting on a chair crumpled up? It seems far too common that police are using the taser for non-violent, passively resistant targets.

Anyone ever been shocked by electricity? Thats pretty traumatic. Getting hit with 2 tasers and then being sat on by a cop for no good reason? I can't imagine the dreams I'd get.

This.. this is why I don't trust police. They're gonna kill you with a gun shaped weapon that won't even be considered deadly until a few hundred more people die.

Ithink the problem is that the police have been told that using a taser is less than deadly force and doesn't leave the bruses that a night stick will. The message that a police officer can use a taser witout worry of he or the department being placed in a bad legal situation has made the use of tasers the first response.

Tasers can and do kill people. In the video I watched the man was surrounded by police and I think they certainly could have handled the situation w/o the taser.

Unfortunately the police often have immunity. This policy should be outlawed.

The cop here in Denver, who shot a man in his own home because he had a can of Pepsi in his hand, and received a six month paid suspension, no prosecution, is one example of police over reach.

[TteFAboB]

That must've been a really odd-looking rucksack.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

"blue on blue", jimbuna?

These are trained officers of the law, who are supposed to act properly in situations like this. Excuses that normal citizens can make don't apply.
If a cop loses the run of himself in a tense situation, even, God forbid, one that involves dealing with a suspect, then he shouldn't be in the job.

'Losing the run' as you call it is probably what I would call making an instantaneous decision based on the perceived threat level to life and or property in nothing much more than the blink of an eye.
Often another couple of seconds in assessment is a luxury one never has for fear of the potential consequences.