Hydrophone hunting tutorial for GWX - D/L links here

raduz · 03-10-07, 07:28 PM

ahoy, mates

there were many questions about the hydrophone use to intercept the enemy.

Since I play the SH3, I am fascintated by the hydrophone, too, and I used it frequently in the stock game. As you certainly know, till present day the RPM count was not possible in the GWX, due to the different sound files and lack of the chart.
So I decided to make a small "mod" allowing use of passive sonar in the GWX way we did it in the stock game.

Now, after one month of hard work, I humbly present to the community my hydrophone MERCHANT hunting tutorial including the original game propeller sound files, 4 training missions, GWX RPM chart and a detailed guide explaining some stuff that may interest you. I hope you will like it

D/L here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/20422865...orial.rar.html
or here:
http://files.filefront.com/Hydrophon.../fileinfo.html

possible solution of crashing training missions (Kudos to Pisces

)

I installed your hydrophone mod and tried playing the missions that go with it. But 2 didn't work correctly and crashed SH3 GWX1.03 when loading the mission. Namely "Training Proppellers" and "Training range to target". Before the "not so long ago" message (or maybe for you the german equivalent sentance) appears the game crashes to desktop. The other work ok, as far as loading goes anyway.

When I open those 2 crashing misisons in the mission editor, and try to open the properties window for the Amnunition ships (Pyro??) the editor also crashes. All other ships do not crash. This suggest me that the issue lies in the mission itself with these ammo ships and not a bad mod or SH3/GWX install on my part.

Since you didn't mention in the readme what specific version of GWX your mod is based on I am not totally sure, but in the changelog section in the GWX 1.03 manual it says for changes done in GWX1.02 that the ammo ships got a different database number or something (became 100). In your mission files the ammo ships have number 102:

Proppeler mission opened with text editor:
Quote:
...
[Unit 3]
Name=Fleet Auxilary Ammunition#1
Class=AMM
Type=102
Origin=British
...

When I added another instance of the same ship-type to the mission (chosen from roster) and saved, I get in the text editor:

Quote:
...
[Unit 7]
Name=Fleet Auxilary Ammunition#1_MyTest
Class=AMM
Type=100
Origin=British
...

robert4260 · 03-10-07, 08:47 PM

Sorry I don't mean to be obtuse, but does it work in Gwx? If so I would love to try it. Thank you for all of your hard work.

Iron Budokan · 03-10-07, 09:25 PM

I don't have time to look at this now, but I will next week. It sounds like it will be helpful. Thank you!

Shipwreck · 03-10-07, 10:45 PM

Thx bro Nice work

SW

Doolar · 03-10-07, 11:29 PM

I down loaded the file , but I'm not sure where to put it ... thanx

Letum · 03-11-07, 12:36 AM

Whoo!

Now the only thing about GWX I didn't like and couldn't change has been fixed!

I can go back to counting revolutions again!

Thankyou!

raduz · 03-11-07, 02:03 AM

It works in GWX. The only thing it changes are the propeller sound files. Replacing GWX propeller sounds by the stock propellers allows you to use the RPM chart for ID contacts and determinate its speed.

High Voltage · 03-11-07, 02:27 AM

Nice!!! I'll give this a shot tomorrow...

raduz · 03-11-07, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doolar Semler

I down loaded the file , but I'm not sure where to put it ... thanx

see readme file

Dantenoc · 03-12-07, 02:23 AM

excellent, will give it a try

Keelbuster · 03-12-07, 10:44 AM

OMG YES. I've always wanted to do this!

Quick question: in the rpm chart it says that rpm values are _almost_ always rounded down, with the exception of high values like 27.9 -> 28. I don't really know what it's referring to, but I wonder: why not round fairly on all numbers? Was this done to better fit the data you collected?

raduz · 03-12-07, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keelbuster

OMG YES. I've always wanted to do this!

Quick question: in the rpm chart it says that rpm values are _almost_ always rounded down, with the exception of high values like 27.9 -> 28. I don't really know what it's referring to, but I wonder: why not round fairly on all numbers? Was this done to better fit the data you collected?

Each turn count has always been measured for 60 seconds. Often, the number of revs per minute did not represent the whole number: there was a certain amount of complete revs + part of the last one.

Example: I was measuring the turn count for one minute. Let's say at 00:58, the RPM was 27, that means 27 complete revolutions. Two seconds before one minute has passed, 28th rev started. At 01:00 this 28th rev was still not complete. It was completed at 01:02. Now how was I supposed to record this situation? I had to round the RPM either down, either up, because it was something between 27 and 28. (this is just an example, the numbers are imagined).

If there was 27.5 revs in 60 seconds, I recorded 27. The only case when I rounded up was when it was like 27.9, that means ALMOST 28 complete revs. I hope you understand what I mean

Keelbuster · 03-12-07, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raduz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keelbuster

OMG YES. I've always wanted to do this!

Quick question: in the rpm chart it says that rpm values are _almost_ always rounded down, with the exception of high values like 27.9 -> 28. I don't really know what it's referring to, but I wonder: why not round fairly on all numbers? Was this done to better fit the data you collected?

Each turn count has always been measured for 60 seconds. Often, the number of revs per minute did not represent the whole number: there was a certain amount of complete revs + part of the last one.

Example: I was measuring the turn count for one minute. Let's say at 00:58, the RPM was 27, that means 27 complete revolutions. Two seconds before one minute has passed, 28th rev started. At 01:00 this 28th rev was still not complete. It was completed at 01:02. Now how was I supposed to record this situation? I had to round the RPM either down, either up, because it was something between 27 and 28. (this is just an example, the numbers are imagined).

If there was 27.5 revs in 60 seconds, I recorded 27. The only case when I rounded up was when it was like 27.9, that means ALMOST 28 complete revs. I hope you understand what I mean

Gotcha - precision on the estimate of the rev-count was low, and prevented fair rounding, so you tended to round down unless it was obviously very close to the next number?

Kb

P.S. Sorry to be a measuring stickler!

raduz · 03-12-07, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keelbuster

Gotcha - precision on the estimate of the rev-count was low, and prevented fair rounding, so you tended to round down unless it was obviously very close to the next number?

Kb

P.S. Sorry to be a measuring stickler!

Exactly!

No need to be sorry. My English is sometimes not clear enough.

Canovaro · 03-31-07, 04:31 AM

Thank you so much for the hard work, I have been searching for a new hydro table for GWX!

03-10-07, 08:47 PM	#2
robert4260 Seaman Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Chino Valley, AZ Posts: 33 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	Hydrophone training Sorry I don't mean to be obtuse, but does it work in Gwx? If so I would love to try it. Thank you for all of your hard work.

03-10-07, 09:25 PM	#3
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I don't have time to look at this now, but I will next week. It sounds like it will be helpful. Thank you! __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

03-10-07, 11:29 PM	#5
Doolar Expert Shipsinker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Baltimore,Md./ CA45 Posts: 803 Downloads: 360 Uploads: 0	A new guy question I down loaded the file , but I'm not sure where to put it ... thanx

03-11-07, 12:36 AM	#6
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Whoo! Now the only thing about GWX I didn't like and couldn't change has been fixed! I can go back to counting revolutions again! Thankyou! __________________

03-11-07, 02:27 AM	#8
High Voltage Chief Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: U-33. Depth Charges...sinking.. Posts: 325 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Nice!!! I'll give this a shot tomorrow... __________________ The new-moon night is black as ink. Off Hatteras the tankers sink. While sadly Roosevelt counts the score-- Some fifty thousand tons--by MOHR

03-10-07, 07:28 PM	#1
raduz Engineer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Slovakia Posts: 205 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Hydrophone hunting tutorial for GWX - D/L links here ahoy, mates there were many questions about the hydrophone use to intercept the enemy. Since I play the SH3, I am fascintated by the hydrophone, too, and I used it frequently in the stock game. As you certainly know, till present day the RPM count was not possible in the GWX, due to the different sound files and lack of the chart. So I decided to make a small "mod" allowing use of passive sonar in the GWX way we did it in the stock game. Now, after one month of hard work, I humbly present to the community my hydrophone MERCHANT hunting tutorial including the original game propeller sound files, 4 training missions, GWX RPM chart and a detailed guide explaining some stuff that may interest you. I hope you will like it D/L here: http://rapidshare.com/files/20422865...orial.rar.html or here: http://files.filefront.com/Hydrophon.../fileinfo.html possible solution of crashing training missions (Kudos to Pisces ) I installed your hydrophone mod and tried playing the missions that go with it. But 2 didn't work correctly and crashed SH3 GWX1.03 when loading the mission. Namely "Training Proppellers" and "Training range to target". Before the "not so long ago" message (or maybe for you the german equivalent sentance) appears the game crashes to desktop. The other work ok, as far as loading goes anyway. When I open those 2 crashing misisons in the mission editor, and try to open the properties window for the Amnunition ships (Pyro??) the editor also crashes. All other ships do not crash. This suggest me that the issue lies in the mission itself with these ammo ships and not a bad mod or SH3/GWX install on my part. Since you didn't mention in the readme what specific version of GWX your mod is based on I am not totally sure, but in the changelog section in the GWX 1.03 manual it says for changes done in GWX1.02 that the ammo ships got a different database number or something (became 100). In your mission files the ammo ships have number 102: Proppeler mission opened with text editor: Quote: ... [Unit 3] Name=Fleet Auxilary Ammunition#1 Class=AMM Type=102 Origin=British ... When I added another instance of the same ship-type to the mission (chosen from roster) and saved, I get in the text editor: Quote: ... [Unit 7] Name=Fleet Auxilary Ammunition#1_MyTest Class=AMM Type=100 Origin=British ... Last edited by raduz; 12-29-07 at 04:19 AM.

03-10-07, 10:45 PM	#4
Shipwreck Loader Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: on the far side of society Posts: 84 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Thx bro Nice work SW

03-11-07, 02:03 AM	#7
raduz Engineer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Slovakia Posts: 205 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	It works in GWX. The only thing it changes are the propeller sound files. Replacing GWX propeller sounds by the stock propellers allows you to use the RPM chart for ID contacts and determinate its speed.

03-12-07, 02:23 AM	#10
Dantenoc Captain Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ensenada, B.C., Mexico Posts: 504 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	excellent, will give it a try __________________ Going to U-boot school : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88922 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=90234 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88961 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97682

03-12-07, 10:44 AM	#11
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	OMG YES. I've always wanted to do this! Quick question: in the rpm chart it says that rpm values are _almost_ always rounded down, with the exception of high values like 27.9 -> 28. I don't really know what it's referring to, but I wonder: why not round fairly on all numbers? Was this done to better fit the data you collected? __________________

03-31-07, 04:31 AM	#15
Canovaro Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,062 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Thank you so much for the hard work, I have been searching for a new hydro table for GWX!