Requiem for the American Dream

Rockstar · 03-09-19, 07:43 PM

Wasn't sure if this should be placed in the stock market thread, U.S. politics, or in thread of its own. I'm watching the documentary on cable right now. It's one mans interesting and learned opinion. What was important for me is I learned something new and had much of what I see today explained very well. All I will say is it's certainly well worth the time to watch. Oh, and hold tight its gonna be a bumpy ride!

I could only find it on YouTube dubbed in German but you can select auto translate in settings to read subtitles in your language.

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Catfish · 03-20-19, 04:29 PM

Just wanted to bump this.. it is worth it.

Thanks for posting @Rockstar
(and that i ever would say this

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Skybird · 03-20-19, 05:14 PM

Saw it last summer already, good one. He is one of the very few somewhat left-leaning theoreticists whom I actually listen too, though not always agreeing, and while he is a world-famous specialist in linguistics and cognitive science I stumbled over him in my studying years already. His expertise goes far beyond that, however, touching the realms of mathematics, compouter programming, theories of complex hierachies, and so forth. An academic heavyweight. He was popular amongst us psychology students because he criticsed behavioirism quite fundamentally, and when you studied psychology in Germany in the ninetiess, it was "in" to not like behaviorism (which indeed offers many open flöanks for attack, but also has its strong points in according theory formats, for indicated cases.

I saw a purely English version last year, however, so it must exist somewhere - at leats it did once exist.

Rockstar · 03-22-19, 05:07 PM

Behaviorism, is that akin too causation?

Skybird · 03-22-19, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Behaviorism, is that akin too causation?

Cant sort in that term, English Wikipedia sounds like something new/strange to me, or better a variety of different things in different branches. Don'T know a German term correctly translating it.

Behaviorism focusse son highlight terms like conditioning, black-box paradigmn, conditioned and unconditioned stimuli, reflexology, learning theory, sharpening of behaviour. The name related to it and having been extremely influential, is Skinner. What in Germany is called Verhaltenstherapie, owes heavily to it (Konfrontierung, etc)

Its not all bad and wrong, imo, well, some is, but it is extremely tunnel-eyed, it ignores too much. Some things stemming from it however have found dramagically overwhelming empirical support.

I have become pragmatic regarding it. I picked what seems to work, and left out what does not make sense or is basing on uncomplete conceptions. I do not like the options for abuse that it offers.

For starters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviorism

Platapus · 03-23-19, 06:34 AM

The American Dream is now just hoping you can survive another year.

gimpy117 · 03-28-19, 09:38 PM

well, politics is an echo chamber, mostly rich people paying rich people via lobbyists to do things for rich people

I like AOC and would also support a republican who is like her
she was a bartender and average joe. I would like to see a legitimate "average Joe" republican run. If we had more of those we could see eye to eye.

I get AOC takes a really hard line on climate chance, but more people with more reasonable solutions can sweeten the pot, and I find farmers of the land tend to see what is best for it

03-09-19, 07:43 PM	#1
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,811 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Requiem for the American Dream Wasn't sure if this should be placed in the stock market thread, U.S. politics, or in thread of its own. I'm watching the documentary on cable right now. It's one mans interesting and learned opinion. What was important for me is I learned something new and had much of what I see today explained very well. All I will say is it's certainly well worth the time to watch. Oh, and hold tight its gonna be a bumpy ride! I could only find it on YouTube dubbed in German but you can select auto translate in settings to read subtitles in your language. __________________ __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 03-10-19 at 09:11 PM.

03-20-19, 04:29 PM	#2
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,892 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Just wanted to bump this.. it is worth it. Thanks for posting @Rockstar (and that i ever would say this ) __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

03-20-19, 05:14 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,459 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Saw it last summer already, good one. He is one of the very few somewhat left-leaning theoreticists whom I actually listen too, though not always agreeing, and while he is a world-famous specialist in linguistics and cognitive science I stumbled over him in my studying years already. His expertise goes far beyond that, however, touching the realms of mathematics, compouter programming, theories of complex hierachies, and so forth. An academic heavyweight. He was popular amongst us psychology students because he criticsed behavioirism quite fundamentally, and when you studied psychology in Germany in the ninetiess, it was "in" to not like behaviorism (which indeed offers many open flöanks for attack, but also has its strong points in according theory formats, for indicated cases. I saw a purely English version last year, however, so it must exist somewhere - at leats it did once exist. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-22-19, 05:07 PM	#4
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,811 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Behaviorism, is that akin too causation? __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

03-23-19, 06:34 AM	#6
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,928 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	The American Dream is now just hoping you can survive another year. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

03-28-19, 09:38 PM	#7
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	well, politics is an echo chamber, mostly rich people paying rich people via lobbyists to do things for rich people I like AOC and would also support a republican who is like her she was a bartender and average joe. I would like to see a legitimate "average Joe" republican run. If we had more of those we could see eye to eye. I get AOC takes a really hard line on climate chance, but more people with more reasonable solutions can sweeten the pot, and I find farmers of the land tend to see what is best for it __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army