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macjim · 09-02-17, 11:55 PM

For real navigation what is the best Mod(s) to use?

Rockin Robbins · 09-03-17, 07:45 AM

There is no real navigation. The only "real" navigation is the game feeds an external astronomy program your GPS position, which allows it to display the sky in a planetarium program. You use the unrealistically perfect altitudes and azimuths of stars to work out your GPS position. It's just a closed loop of giving you your "unrealistic" GPS position by another means so you can call it "real." Not real.

You also have to mod the nav map so you can't really do combat any more. For every good thing you accomplish by trying to fool yourself you're doing real navigation, three other things change. Two of them are bad.

If we want real navigation we need another game entirely. It doesn't exist.

propbeanie · 09-03-17, 09:17 AM

... and there was a mod quite a few years ago for v1.3 that attempted to emulate "real navigation". It was on FileFront, which has since met its demise, and is no longer available, unless someone else happens to have it, but I have no idea what the name of the file was. Here's the thread, for what it's worth:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...248#post607248

a v1.3 mod is almost guaranteed to CTD a v1.4 or v1.5 install of SH4, and you'll most likely have to make edits in the menu_1024_768.ini file to make it compliant, at a minimum. Not an easy undertaking. Be sure and read all the way through...

A comment from one of the skippers there, which I find rather amusing:
"i wonder when a manual cooking and manual cleaning up the toilet mod is going to be released. Seriously, what is the navigator good for? A captain is not supposed to track the location of the sub."
... not to color my opinion of it too much... tic |;^) - but to each their own!

Rockin Robbins · 09-03-17, 12:31 PM

I once proposed a dirty underwear gauge to accompany the "realistic" hull damage gauge. When the dirty underwear gauge got to 100 the submarine was uninhabitable and everybody died. Couldn't seem to convince anyone it was a good idea.....

propbeanie · 09-03-17, 12:39 PM

... which brings to mind a real life situation - not to distract too far from the OP - but when the Japanese surrendered, the US sub crews were in amazement that the Japanese sailors were even able to stand the stench and inhabit their submarines while surfaced, much less think of closing the hatches and diving. The USN had to do a bunch of cleaning before they'd use their boats... yikes!

09-02-17, 11:55 PM	#1
macjim Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 47 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Navigation For real navigation what is the best Mod(s) to use? __________________ macjim

09-03-17, 07:45 AM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	There is no real navigation. The only "real" navigation is the game feeds an external astronomy program your GPS position, which allows it to display the sky in a planetarium program. You use the unrealistically perfect altitudes and azimuths of stars to work out your GPS position. It's just a closed loop of giving you your "unrealistic" GPS position by another means so you can call it "real." Not real. You also have to mod the nav map so you can't really do combat any more. For every good thing you accomplish by trying to fool yourself you're doing real navigation, three other things change. Two of them are bad. If we want real navigation we need another game entirely. It doesn't exist. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

09-03-17, 09:17 AM	#3
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,743 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	... and there was a mod quite a few years ago for v1.3 that attempted to emulate "real navigation". It was on FileFront, which has since met its demise, and is no longer available, unless someone else happens to have it, but I have no idea what the name of the file was. Here's the thread, for what it's worth: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...248#post607248 a v1.3 mod is almost guaranteed to CTD a v1.4 or v1.5 install of SH4, and you'll most likely have to make edits in the menu_1024_768.ini file to make it compliant, at a minimum. Not an easy undertaking. Be sure and read all the way through... A comment from one of the skippers there, which I find rather amusing: "i wonder when a manual cooking and manual cleaning up the toilet mod is going to be released. Seriously, what is the navigator good for? A captain is not supposed to track the location of the sub." ... not to color my opinion of it too much... tic \|;^) - but to each their own! __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna

09-03-17, 12:31 PM	#4
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	I once proposed a dirty underwear gauge to accompany the "realistic" hull damage gauge. When the dirty underwear gauge got to 100 the submarine was uninhabitable and everybody died. Couldn't seem to convince anyone it was a good idea..... __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

09-03-17, 12:39 PM	#5
propbeanie CTD - it's not just a job Join Date: May 2016 Location: One hour from Music City USA! Posts: 9,743 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 2	... which brings to mind a real life situation - not to distract too far from the OP - but when the Japanese surrendered, the US sub crews were in amazement that the Japanese sailors were even able to stand the stench and inhabit their submarines while surfaced, much less think of closing the hatches and diving. The USN had to do a bunch of cleaning before they'd use their boats... yikes! __________________ "...and bollocks to the naysayer/s" - Jimbuna