UK Politics Thread

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by CDR DPH

"And that was a totally fair and balanced party political broadcast by the foreign Rupert Murdoch owned Sky News party"

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

"And that was a totally fair and balanced party political broadcast by the foreign Rupert Murdoch owned Sky News party"

So some would have us all believe

[STEED]

^Nice joke jim.

Prince Philip should take Westminster for a spin.

Nigel Farage to 'stand again as an MEP' as he warns of second Brexit referendum

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-far...endum-11610551

Sorry Nigel if you do that you are a bloody hypocrite.

[Jimbuna]

In fairness to him he is the only one that has delivered thus far on what he promised and that was to bring about a referendum.

[Skybird]

Some clueless Germans have written a letter to Britain.

https://translate.google.de/translat..._korrespondenz

Sentimental, clueless and very German drivel. When I read it earlier, I felt almost ashamed. Well, almost. I may carry a German passport, but that by now is just a formality anymore, so in the end, I have not written that letter, nor was it written in my name.

Do not expect that AKK, the successor to Merkel, means a new policy. She is even worse than Merkel, and even more left and I call it "teuto-moralistic". And at least as technocratical, teflonesque, and ice-cold.

[Catfish]

^ From what the letter should have said:
"We want you back and we realize that it [the EU] needs to be reformed. Help us reform it !!!!"

That's basically what the whole thing should be about.

[Skybird]

Reform impossible by design and intention. Thus it must be destroyed, then Europe must be cleared of the rubble, and then we must build a new, purely economically- oriented trade zone - AND NOTHING MORE. To hell with all that cultural reeducation and wet wannabe-a-superstate-dream of fat cats who think a single country is too small a stage for their stellar ego to shine on.



The more space is given as a playground to the corrupt, the mentally derranged, the criminal and the ruthlessly egoist narcissists, the more corruption, the more insanity, the more crime and the more narcissim and egoism you breed and helkp to bring to power.


You want the squaring of the circle, and you ignore human nature, ignore reality. It will not work your way, never. It cannot, and never could from all beginning on.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ From what the letter should have said:
"We want you back and we realize that it [the EU] needs to be reformed. Help us reform it !!!!"

That's basically what the whole thing should be about.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Reform impossible by design and intention. Thus it must be destroyed, then Europe must be cleared of the rubble, and then we must build a new, purely economically- oriented trade zone - AND NOTHING MORE. To hell with all that cultural reeducation and wet wannabe-a-superstate-dream of fat cats who think a single country is too small a stage for their stellar ego to shine on.



The more space is given as a playground to the corrupt, the mentally derranged, the criminal and the ruthlessly egoist narcissists, the more corruption, the more insanity, the more crime and the more narcissim and egoism you breed and helkp to bring to power.


You want the squaring of the circle, and you ignore human nature, ignore reality. It will not work your way, never. It cannot, and never could from all beginning on.

I find it interesting to see both sides of the argument regarding the situation we are currently facing from a German perspective and IMHO you both make valid points

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile, Downing Street warns MPs not to block Brexit.

The new bill is being presented by Labour's Yvette Cooper, the Conservative former Education Secretary Nicky Morgan, and Liberal Democrat MP Norman Lamb, among others.

Another group led by Dominic Grieve wishes to pause Brexit by extending Article 50. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46936405

Two backbenchers who are willing to undermine the government and democracy by forcing changes to protocols that have existed for a great many years

[Jimbuna]

May set to reveal plan to ditch backstop to win over Brexit rebels https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...id=mailsignout

A potentially wise move ig she is hoping to swing her backbenchers and the DUP onside.

Now it is Brussels who will hopefully soften their position.

Once Upon a time...


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https://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/...omplettansicht

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

A potentially wise move ig she is hoping to swing her backbenchers and the DUP onside.

Now it is Brussels who will hopefully soften their position.

"Hopefully"...? Have you not learned anything from the past two years, Jim?


Meanwhile on German TV. "Anne Will" is a weekend polit talk show.

On "Anne Will", the guests discussed Sunday night about the Brexit chaos. Guests included Greg Hands, a British conservative who is in favor of Brexit and considers the deal with Brussels too unfavorable to Britain.

In the course of the program, he pulled out a piece of paper and quoted Martin Selmayr, the Secretary General of the European Commission. According to Hands, Selmayr told the Passauer Neue Presse in November: "The power is with us. This agreement shows that this exit from the EU is not working. "


Hands accused the German civil servant of an intrigue: it was stipulated in the Treaty on European Union that a country may step out. But now those in Brussels said it would be impossible to leave the Union. This led the Conservative MPs to a harsh reproach: "They want Britain to be harmed by leaving." Above all, Hands calls for more willingness to compromise on the part of the Union. Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn in turn played the responsibility back to the British. "You know what you do not want, but we do not know what you want." Nevertheless, Asselborn stressed: "We want to see that we move in the Customs Union."


https://www.focus.de/politik/ausland..._10211814.html

The EU has you Brits right where it wantrs you to have - in chokehold. You will suffocate yourself. The just do not need to ease their grip. And May - voluntarily put your head into that chokehold.



"Hopefully"...? Are many Brits still not tired of these self-deceptions and illusions?


Don'T mean to be personally hostile, Jim, please don'T take it as that. I just underline what it really is about - damaging Britain as severly as possible. A precedent that will scare away any other people dreaming of leaving the empire. A hard lesson beeing taught that is never to be forgotten.



They even tolerate a certain ammount of self-damage to the eU, even if it is in total higher than for Britain. The eU, so they reason, can digest such damage easier than Britain. That Britain is being made to suffer from all this - this is utmost priority. It always was.


I told that from all beginning on, two years ago. I said there cannot be a soft Brexit. The British tradition of liberty and freedom is very different from continetal Europe'S potlical reaosning, which is based on state authoritarianism and socialist planning, disguised as "social responsibility" and "solidarity". Two worlds collide here, and Britain - was a net contributor to the EU. Why could anyone assume the majorit yof net receivers would any of their blacmailed paymasters volunarily leave so easily, when the ticks live of their prey's blood?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Don'T mean to be personally hostile, Jim, please don'T take it as that.

I never do Sky unless any such behaviour is obviously directed so.

May spoke to Parliament less than an hour ago and is looking for a collective agreement cross-party regarding the backstop. She might just get that and then she'll return to the EU and should they remain intransigent?

Then it's anyones guess where we go from here.

Originally Posted by Skybird

The EU has you Brits right where it wantrs you to have - in chokehold. You will suffocate yourself. The just do not need to ease their grip. And May - voluntarily put your head into that chokehold.



"Hopefully"...? Are many Brits still not tired of these self-deceptions and illusions?


Don'T mean to be personally hostile, Jim, please don'T take it as that. I just underline what it really is about - damaging Britain as severly as possible. A precedent that will scare away any other people dreaming of leaving the empire. A hard lesson beeing taught that is never to be forgotten.



They even tolerate a certain ammount of self-damage to the eU, even if it is in total higher than for Britain. The eU, so they reason, can digest such damage easier than Britain. That Britain is being made to suffer from all this - this is utmost priority. It always was.


I told that from all beginning on, two years ago. I said there cannot be a soft Brexit. The British tradition of liberty and freedom is very different from continetal Europe'S potlical reaosning, which is based on state authoritarianism and socialist planning, disguised as "social responsibility" and "solidarity". Two worlds collide here, and Britain - was a net contributor to the EU. Why could anyone assume the majorit yof net receivers would any of their blacmailed paymasters volunarily leave so easily, when the ticks live of their prey's blood?

A ghost is going around in Europe, that of populists and nationalists!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bleiente

A ghost is going around in Europe, that of populists and nationalists!

The worst populism going on in Europe today - is by the EU itself. On the way to a continental superstate run by one caste of career bureaqucrats not accountable to anyone, anbd career poltlicikans making it their living model to live at the cost of the ordinary people and lecturing them why they must accept that.

All "right wing populism" there is now nowadays - is the natural consequence of the attempt to replac "Europe" with the EU and its strawman cinstructtion of alibi instiotutions and alibi parliasments and alibi commissions. One party rule. Planned economy. Gleichschaltung of opinion, legislation, free speech.

Sounds familiar, Bleiente? Nazi-brown socialism? Stalin-red socialism? EU-blue socialism? Bejing-red socialism? Its all the same ****. Especialy us Germans should know it so much betteer than enayone else. We realyl should know it better, we had two of those within just two generations. What have we learned instead? We start building socialist desaster number three.

The Germans are a hopeless case. Impotent in their foreign political and military means, servile , nevertheless full of themselves, and their blood so saturated with lecturing others and moralising on everybody and everything that it almost qulifies as an acid.

If the ordinary German subject is not properly regulated by the state authorities once a day, well then he feels he misses something, this servile "Ducker".

Against so much state belief and submission, all reason and all love of freedom is powerless.

This too is what made the Brits wantign to leave. A completely different understand of freedom, one that is unknown her ein German, is getting looked down to as selfishness and "Krämertum", since decades and centuries.

Ever have read John Stuart Mills, or any of the Scottish moral philosphers? In Germany, the media would practically execute them under the applaus of the net-receiving plebs. Raising claim is enough, acchieving and deserving is for stupids, everybody thinks he has a right to demand free rides.

We are all one big happy socialist collective. We even speak in typical DDR-phrasing and propaganda slogans nowadays.

Thats why I have sympathies for the Brexiteers. In the end, the brits maybe never really were full members with heart and soul in the EU and its predecessors. It violates all what the English tradition of liberalism stands for. That narcissistic idiots like Johnson, Corbyn and May smear it, does not change the acchievements of this culture's history.