[WIP] Wolves of the Kaiser:1914-1918 Mod

[Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt]

The name of the book is U-BOATS (technique and evolution of the german submarines)

I don't know if there is an english verion of the book; but if you want I will scan th pages of the book where there are the drowings of the sub.
these are the torpedo types:
type C35/91
length: 475 cm/propulsion: AV 3-cil/range: 500 mt with 27 knt
type C45/91 Bronze
length: 511cm/propulsion: AV 3-cil/range: 1000 mt with 27 knt
C45/91 Stahl
length: 515cm/propulsion: AV 3-cil/range: 1500 mt with 27 knt
type C45/91 Stahl/mod
length: 515cm/propulsion: AV 3-cil/range: 1700 mt with 27 knt
type C/03 AV
length: 515cm/propulsion: AV 3-cil/range: 3000 mt with 26 knt
type C/03 AVK
length: 515cm/propulsion: AV 3-cil/range: 3500 mt with 27 knt
type C/03 D
length: 515cm/propulsion: steam 3-cil/range: 5000 mt with 27 knt
type C/06 AV
length: 565cm/propulsion: AV 4-cil/range: 3600 mt with 30 knt
type G/06 AVK or K
length: 565cm/propulsion: AV 4-cil/range: 4200 mt with 27 knt
type C/06D
length: 565cm/propulsion: steam 4-cil/range: 5900 mt with 27 knt
type G/6 AV or K-I
length: 600cm/propulsion: AV 4-cil/range: 5000 mt with 28 knt
G/6 AVK mod or K-II
length: 600cm/propulsion: AV 4-cil/range: 5500 mt with 27 knt
type G/6 D or K-III
length: 600cm/propulsion: steam 4-cil/range: 8400 mt with 27 knt
type G/7
length: 702cm/propulsion: steam 4-cil/range: 9700 mt with 27 knt
type H/8
length: 800cm/propulsion: steam 8-cil/range: 14000 mt with 27 knt

NOTE: the types C35/91 and C/45 91 entered in service in early 1915;
the types G/6s entered in service in early 1916;
the type G/7 stopped its activity in middle 1917;
the type H/8 was only used by big submarines and U-kreuzers.
legend:
AV= Anwarm-Vorrichtung (preheating device);
AVK=Anwarm-Vorrichtung und erhohter Kesseldurck (preheating device and increase pressure boiler)
cil= cylinders

[iambecomelife]

Yes; if you could scan any drawings of the U-Boats that would be great. And the information on the torpedoes is very helpful too - this will help me convert the standard US navy torpedoes into proper German ones, with all the right statistics.

I have many drawings of several books of the vessels of the Imperial German Navy as well including unbuilt submarine cruisers beyond the U-139 type, which i could scan and send to you; i have several good photographs too. Concerning torpedos: You are doing the mod based on the SH 4 v1.5 Uboat missions addon? you need to edit the torpedo_GE.dat etc. you must not perfom changes on the US torpedos or you will mess up your weapon payload in port.

[Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt]

IABL these are the drawings of all the german submarines:
I) U-1/U-2/U-3/U-5/U-9 classes;
http://www.mediafire.com/download/rx...rman+sub+1.jpg
II) U-13/U-17/U-19/U-23/U-27/U-31/U-42/U-51 class;
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uh...man+subs+2.jpg
III) U-57/U-63/U-81 classes;
http://www.mediafire.com/download/a3...bmarines+3.jpg
IV) U-87/U-93/U-115/U-135/U-66/UE-1+(UE-1 mod u-75) classes;
http://www.mediafire.com/download/yw...bmarines+4.jpg
V) UE-2/U-139 classes;
http://www.mediafire.com/download/vb...bmarines+5.jpg
IV) U-142/U-151/UB-1/UB-2/UB-3/UC-1/UC-2/UC-3 classes.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/64...bmarines+6.jpg
NOTE: the sub UB-12 in reallity is the UC-12
There is two vesions of the submarines types UB-2/UB-3/UC-2/UC-1/UE-1.
These are the surface weapons of the submarines:
DECK GUNS:
type 88 mm small deck gun (130 rounds);
type 105 mm big deck gun (270 rounds);
type 150 mm u-kreuzer deck gun (490 rounds).
FLAK GUNS:
8 mm machine gun (1600 rounds);

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt

The name of the book is U-BOATS (technique and evolution of the german submarines)

I don't know if there is an english verion of the book;

I suspect this is the English version, I sent this to Kpt.Lehmann as a christmas present approximately eight years ago.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-U-boat-e.../dp/0304361208

[iambecomelife]

Thanks very much to the contributors! jhapprich, thanks for the tip about modding torpedoes. Do you know how many lbs of explosive were in each variety of torpedo, and what the diameters were? I know that the U-66 Class and several other kinds could only take 45cm torpedoes, unlike the 50cm torpedoes that other submarines used.

Latest about the mod: I am working on the second video for the mod, which will showcase several unique features ... I just need to add some new classes of ship and other items.

I have decided once and for all to create a good set of ship's boats, based on plans of the HMS "Dreadnought" and her small craft. I had started this project, but the files were destroyed in the hacking incident.

This steam pinnace has more details than the one I did a few months ago; there is a wheel and transparent glass (as opposed to a fake glass .TGA/DDS) created with another material in the .DAT file. There really is a lot you can do with ship mods by playing with opacity values.

Battleships and Armored Cruisers, etc will have big launches - the smaller open boats will also equip merchant ships. You will also encounter these boats in harbor and close to shore, being used for civilian and military purposes. And I know that there were subtle differences in launches but I can't research minute variations on each battleship, cruiser, &c - hopefully this suffices.

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by jhapprich

I have many drawings of several books of the vessels of the Imperial German Navy as well including unbuilt submarine cruisers beyond the U-139 type, which i could scan and send to you; i have several good photographs too. Concerning torpedos: You are doing the mod based on the SH 4 v1.5 Uboat missions addon? you need to edit the torpedo_GE.dat etc. you must not perfom changes on the US torpedos or you will mess up your weapon payload in port.

Thanks so much for the offer; you can send me a link to a free filesharing site if you want or email them - tell me what works best for you.

Just FYI I will only need completed submarines, like U-139 type and the former merchant U-Boats.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Do you know how many lbs of explosive were in each variety of torpedo, and what the diameters were? I know that the U-66 Class and several other kinds could only take 45cm torpedoes, unlike the 50cm torpedoes that other submarines used.

The question wasn't for me, but Friedman's Naval Weapons of World War One has these numbers:

...............Length.........Warhead.........Perf ormance

35cm:
C 84/A.........4672.5mm....42.5kg..........23.5kts/1700yds
C 84/B.........4672.5mm....42.5kg..........24.5kts/1700yds
C 35/91........4751.5mm....40.5kg..........25.9kts/500m

45cm:
C 45/91 Br...5111.5mm....85.5kg..........32kts/500m / 26kts/800m
C 45/91 S....5100mm.......98kg.............33.5kts/500m / 27kts/1200m
C/03...........5150mm.......147.5kg.........31kts/1500m / 26kts/3000m
C/06...........5650mm.......773kg............34.5kts/1500m / 26kts/3000m
C/06D.........5650mm.......810kg............27kts/5900
C/07...........6000mm.......800kg............36kts/1500m / 32kts/2000m
A/08...........5200mm.......108kg............41kts/1000m / 36.5kts/2000m / 30kts/3000m
G/125.........5364mm.......158kg............33kts/2750yds / 24kts/6600yds
G/250.........5469mm.......175kg............36kts/2200m

50cm:
G6..............6000mm.......160kg............35kt s/2200m / 27kts/5000m
G6 AV.........6000mm.......160kg............38kts/2400yds / 27kts/6020yds
G6 AV*.......6000mm.......200kg............38kts/2187yds / 26kts/5468yds
G6 AV**......6100mm.......200kg............40kts/2187yds / 27kts/5468yds
G7..............7020mm.......200kg............37kt s/4000m / 27kts/9300m

60cm:
H/8............9000mm........210kg.............35kts/8000m / 30kts/10,000m / 28kts/15,000m

I don't know why some of the measurements are imperial, and I have no other reference, so a grain of salt might be desirable. That said, these are the numbers Friedman gives.

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The question wasn't for me, but Friedman's Naval Weapons of World War One has these numbers:

...............Length.........Warhead.........Perf ormance

35cm:
C 84/A.........4672.5mm....42.5kg..........23.5kts/1700yds
C 84/B.........4672.5mm....42.5kg..........24.5kts/1700yds
C 35/91........4751.5mm....40.5kg..........25.9kts/500m

45cm:
C 45/91 Br...5111.5mm....85.5kg..........32kts/500m / 26kts/800m
C 45/91 S....5100mm.......98kg.............33.5kts/500m / 27kts/1200m
C/03...........5150mm.......147.5kg.........31kts/1500m / 26kts/3000m
C/06...........5650mm.......773kg............34.5kts/1500m / 26kts/3000m
C/06D.........5650mm.......810kg............27kts/5900
C/07...........6000mm.......800kg............36kts/1500m / 32kts/2000m
A/08...........5200mm.......108kg............41kts/1000m / 36.5kts/2000m / 30kts/3000m
G/125.........5364mm.......158kg............33kts/2750yds / 24kts/6600yds
G/250.........5469mm.......175kg............36kts/2200m

50cm:
G6..............6000mm.......160kg............35kt s/2200m / 27kts/5000m
G6 AV.........6000mm.......160kg............38kts/2400yds / 27kts/6020yds
G6 AV*.......6000mm.......200kg............38kts/2187yds / 26kts/5468yds
G6 AV**......6100mm.......200kg............40kts/2187yds / 27kts/5468yds
G7..............7020mm.......200kg............37kt s/4000m / 27kts/9300m

60cm:
H/8............9000mm........210kg.............35kts/8000m / 30kts/10,000m / 28kts/15,000m

I don't know why some of the measurements are imperial, and I have no other reference, so a grain of salt might be desirable. That said, these are the numbers Friedman gives.

Copied and saved. Not a problem! I will convert the measurements later. Thanks Steve - you guys always amaze me.

I wonder if anyone knows if subs with 50cm tubes could use 45cm torpedoes? I read an interesting account by a British merchant captain who was taken prisoner by a U-Boat - the Germans were friendly and even discussed their sub armament with him. He said that the submarine had a "small" bronze torpedo that was older and of a less reliable stock than the others. Maybe the U-Boats carried mixed loads of 45cm and 50cm, especially early in the war?

If so, I would like to duplicate this loadout. This would be an interesting challenge, because the smaller torpedoes often failed to sink ships when they did detonate. I must admit I know very little about the process of actually firing a torpedo, & if using smaller torpedoes than the tube is feasible - perhaps some kind of "adapter" could be fitted??

[Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt]

The greater part of the "medium-big submarines" could use all torpedoes but in the end of 1916 this practice stopped, because, sometimes, the small torpedoes stopped their engines just left the submarine.
That lifeboats are very beautiful

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Kapitain Oliver Leinkraunt

The greater part of the "medium-big submarines" could use all torpedoes but in the end of 1916 this practice stopped, because, sometimes, the small torpedoes stopped their engines just left the submarine.
That lifeboats are very beautiful

Thanks! That settles it...I will try and duplicate these mixed torpedo loadouts. It never ceases to amaze me how you guys always can answer my research questions.

[Sailor Steve]

An interesting side-note: HMS Dreadnought and her contemporaries of course had their own 18" torpedoes, but they also carried six 14" torpedoes. I mention this because of the steam launch you're modeling. The 40' steam pinnace and two 56' picket boats were equipped to carry two torpedoes each, for patrolling when the ship was anchored in a foreign port.

[iambecomelife]

OKAY, so in between work I've been making changes to the environment....this is near Crow Sound, out in the North Atlantic and West of Penzance on the UK mainland. This is built on Env.5.0 but with extensive changes of my own.

I trashed the old trees in the vegetation kit, replacing them with higher res and sharper versions. It's all part of my obsession with NOT making WOTK look like it takes place in the Pacific - the whole sim must evoke the Atlantic/European setting.

Note the temperate European texture tiles, and the new color of the ocean - this is still being tweaked, and this is by no means final. I've noticed that even 512 x 512 textures give good results - these are a bit larger but so far I have not noticed any crashes. I'm impressed with SH4's stability, and how much room there is for improvement...the devs truly did a good job all things considered.

I have PLENTY of plans for the formerly barren SH4 coastlines...we will see soon what can be done with the game engine. In my opinion, the act of sailing should itself be made interesting with an immersive ambience. Sailing should not just be something you get over with so you can blow up the next battleship.


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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

An interesting side-note: HMS Dreadnought and her contemporaries of course had their own 18" torpedoes, but they also carried six 14" torpedoes. I mention this because of the steam launch you're modeling. The 40' steam pinnace and two 56' picket boats were equipped to carry two torpedoes each, for patrolling when the ship was anchored in a foreign port.

Let me pester you with another request....you asked for it, Steve.

I really need a picture of naval launches with the torpedoes loaded. In fact, a few days ago I was searching for a photo and couldn't find one. If you know what the mountings for the torpedoes looked like, please post a picture! Anyone!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

OKAY, so in between work I've been making changes to the environment...

DANG that looks good!

In my opinion, the act of sailing should itself be made interesting with an immersive ambience. Sailing should not just be something you get over with so you can blow up the next battleship.

I already play that way in SH3, and would in SH4 if the harbors had received the same mod treatment.

Let me pester you with another request....you asked for it, Steve.

I responded to your PM, but if you want me to repost it here I will.

[iambecomelife]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

DANG that looks good!


I already play that way in SH3, and would in SH4 if the harbors had received the same mod treatment.


I responded to your PM, but if you want me to repost it here I will.

Got it! Thanks - the stowage arrangement looks simple enough. That picture is sufficient.