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Old 06-18-2017, 11:09 AM   #16
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Trump was never the US voters' choice.
I would disagree.

The intent of the electoral college is for the winning candidate to get the majority of the votes in the majority of the states. This is different than a simple majority of the population. It is more a representative majority over the set of states.

Yes, Clinton got more of the population's votes, but they were concentrated in a fewer number of states. The methodology of how we elect our president is, as always, a compromise between the desires of the largest population states (who would would favour a simple majority) and the smaller population states (who would favour a more representative majority).

This is, of course, compounded by the states deciding (and it is the individual state's decision) to have an "all or nothing" electoral vote tally. We don't need to get rid of the electoral college, we need to fix it so it records a more representative tally of the votes.

So Trump winning the majority of the votes in the majority of the states would indicate that he was the choice of the voters as represented by the individual states.
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Old 06-18-2017, 11:38 AM   #17
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The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. - Douglas Adams


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Old 06-18-2017, 09:07 PM   #19
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Absolutely will make it and win in 2020 "big league" because the so called "deplorables" will ensure it barring illegals are not permitted to vote, left is working on that. Amazes me the hysteria some people are in over this man because he does not play by the rules of DC and actually wants to help the people. Obama was far more dangerous to the country and the world. Personally, I've enjoyed the turmoil his election has caused, our nation needed it and continues to do so.
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Old 06-19-2017, 02:30 AM   #20
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This Friday, 23 June, should be interesting: since Trump made that Tweet suggesting the possible existence of recording of his meetings with Comey, calls for either Trump to produce any such recordings or admit there are no such recordings or recording system(s) led to Congress issuing an ultimatum for the production of the recordings by Friday, 23 June. I guess we will either see recordings to either substantiate Trump or Comey, or, much more likely, we will see, again, Trump is lying to and/or misleading Congress, and, more importantly, the US public...

I wonder who he will try to blame this time? Maybe Obama; maybe Hilary; maybe the DEMs, the "Deep State", the media; maybe the dog ate the tapes, if they existed at all. Certainly he won't blame the one person responsible who seems to get him in all these dilemmas, the one who shoots off his mouth (well, thumbs...Tweets, you know) and who seems to be jamming Trump's foot into his mouth up to the knees: Donald J. Trump...




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Old 06-19-2017, 02:44 AM   #21
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Absolutely will make it and win in 2020 "big league" because the so called "deplorables" will ensure it barring illegals are not permitted to vote, left is working on that. Amazes me the hysteria some people are in over this man because he does not play by the rules of DC and actually wants to help the people. Obama was far more dangerous to the country and the world. Personally, I've enjoyed the turmoil his election has caused, our nation needed it and continues to do so.
Accusing "the Left" is so hip these days. "The Left" seems to encompass all level-headed people of common sense lately, according to the far right media. What do you mean with "... barring illegals are not permittted to vote, left is working on that"? I'd sure think it is Trump?
Trump "help the people"? Yes, the rich ones, and in a very short-sighted way maybe, and then working for a year until all collapses.

And how was Obama "dangerous" in any way? I keep hearing this all the time from the right, from "traitor" to worse. WTH is wrong with you people?
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WTH is wrong with you people?
It's pretty simple, we refuse to go gentle into that good night. Scorched earth policy.
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Old 06-19-2017, 05:19 AM   #23
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nah it was only meant because some call Obama "dangerous" and a "traitor", if not worse. I would like to know the reason, if there is any.
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An couple of interesting views of the Trump problem:

http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2017/06/opp...ment.html#more

http://www.dorfonlaw.org/2017/06/nai...vil-trump.html


The seemingly never ceasing progression of missteps (trying to be kind, here) by Trump brought to mind a line I'd heard a long time ago and that I used to have pinned to the wall of one of my work sites; it comes from the TV series Have Gun - Will Travel and is spoken by the lead character, Paladin:

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...if men have a common factor, it seems to me it's their ability to err. If a man's mistakes determine what he was, then what he does about those mistakes should determine what he is.

In Trump's case, what he is, is dismally apparent...




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Old 06-19-2017, 08:01 AM   #25
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The real threatening thing for me is not Trump, but that so much people obviously agree with him. From condemning the press of producing "fake news" to Trump's "alternate realities", to interference with law and investigations, to insulting people of other races as rapists, to ignoring science, to blatant lies like about H. Clinton, to whatnot. And the people like it and believe that! Of course everybody likes clowns, but come on!

It seems he is so ahead with all his insults, lies and acting like a steamroller, that neither the media nor justice can keep up at all. Before they can even say something, the next idiocy has happened. And Breitbart et al praise all he says and does.

I'd really like to know what would had happened, had Obama done anything of it.
What exactly did Trump do up to now, to help the middle class and common people? I can only see tax dodging for the rich, and evading all that might smell of reason.
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Old 06-19-2017, 08:11 AM   #26
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In Trump's case, what he is, is dismally apparent...
So you think he's one hell of a Covfefe?
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So you think he's one hell of a Covfefe?

We have a definition for "vfefe":
http://www.definedmeaning.com/numero...or-vfefe-means

So we now only need to find out what the "co" stands for. Commanding officer?
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Old 06-19-2017, 09:20 AM   #28
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Trump will run in 2020.

It is just too hard to remove a sitting President, no matter what the Democrats may wish for.

Whether he gets re-elected is another story...
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Accusing "the Left" is so hip these days. "The Left" seems to encompass all level-headed people of common sense lately, according to the far right media. What do you mean with "... barring illegals are not permittted to vote, left is working on that"? I'd sure think it is Trump?
Trump "help the people"? Yes, the rich ones, and in a very short-sighted way maybe, and then working for a year until all collapses.

And how was Obama "dangerous" in any way? I keep hearing this all the time from the right, from "traitor" to worse. WTH is wrong with you people?
Read Obama's book "Dreams From My Father", reveals his true feelings about many things, especially about race, which were reflected in many of his actions and words as President.I read this book during 2008 election and it completely turned me away from him.Sadly, I was not shocked when much of his actions and real attitude was displayed during his tenure, thanks to reading his own words. Really was the last time he was completely honest in a public forum as he was a broke young attorney and had no clue he'd ever be president. Newt Gingrich was correct when he said obama has an "anti colonial" mindset, he sees the US as a colonial power, one that has been too powerful and too much influence in the world. Obama's half arsed, ****less attempt at curbing Iran's nuclear program, and giving them millions of dollars lol, because he really does not mind if Iran has a nuke, at his core he believes it'll help curb US power and influence.

obama is a a marxist at heart, a globalist(which has marxist roots) , but not above compromising any "values" to make money, like most people, especially politicians. This explains his foreign policy, his idiotic domestic policies, immigration policies, race baiting etc. Glenn Beck apologized because he was forced to, but when he said obama has a deep seated disdain for white people, white culture etc, he was not wrong. No fan of Glenn Beck, but he was correct.

Trump is pushing for an America First policy, which sadly is such a novelty after years of global oriented policies. Trump is standing up for the people. I can not recall last time a President actually listened and didnt just pay lip service with emotional platitudes.The man is trying to do away with the monstrosity known as obamacare.Trump is trying to actually stop the flood of illegal immigrants and dangerous "refugees" from middle east, before we end up like France or UK. Trump is pushing for tax cuts for everyone, for cutting wasteful spending. Trump is a modern day Andrew Jackson is many ways, fighting a corrupt system backed by powerful interests.
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I always go by the thought process, "Thou shalt not judge" means good or bad, but even my heart is weary of what I have seen Trump become in the last six (6) months.

The tweets speak for themselves

Firing the FBI director and then inviting the Russian's to come visit the White House the very next day.

Saying that he admires Putin

Announcing that he is against NATO ... I wonder who else is against NATO?

The budget giving big companies over 20% tax breaks on profit saying that it will increase production and provide more jobs.

Promising a health care bill and plan that is better than Obamacare, which almost anything would be better than 6,000 more IRS agents checking your reported income, but not Trumps health care bill that is reported to save $150 million at the expense of women's health care and mental health care.

Being an acknowledged friend of the radio news commentator that denies that Sandy Hook elementary shootings really happened.

I have to escape my first love for Trump was simply to replace the thoughts of Hillary Clinton becoming the POTUS. Now I will start hoping the GOP can find a winner in VP Pence.

It has never happened and probably never will, but wouldn't it be odd if somehow Trump makes it through all of this gauntlet of nay's and boo's to the election cycle and VP Pence runs against Trump with the GOP's blessing's.

Now that would be one crazy race for the White House, uh?

I hope August and Reece and Bilge Rat will change, but not to see it my new way, but see through a man that has more than one face.

Don't we all, but Trump is really weak and in denial that he is wrong or that he has ever even been wrong
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