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Sniper297 · 01-31-14, 02:52 PM

Dunno, after researching what battleships might have been available on Dec 9 in the PI, I started over and left out US battleships. Replaced with heavy and light cruisers, then added a couple destroyer groups trying to get a little balance for the sugar boat drivers. I added one Somers class to each of the two US cruiser groups then two groups of 3 Somers DDs.

This was after trying a flank attack with a squadron of PT boats, then I found in this game the PTs will only attack with 50 cals, they apparently don't understand that the "T" in "PT" stands for TORPEDO.

As far as anyone knows the cruisers and tin cans don't do torpedo attacks either.

So the current setup is;

First group 1 Hiryu, 2 heavy cruisers, 1 destroyer.
1 gung ho crazy destroyer running at full speed to Cavite by himself.
1 BB with 2 heavy cruisers.
Another crazy destroyer doing a banzai charge.
1 BB who didn't want to wait for escorts charging in alone .
1 BB blocking the bay entrance.

US:
2 groups of 3 destroyers, sacrificial lambs to soften up the enemy before the cruiser groups.
1 group 3 heavy and 1 light cruisers, 1 DD
1 group 3 heavy and 2 light cruisers, 1 DD

The US group despite the numbers is outclassed, if I do nothing the six cans sink the Hiryu, damage the two heavy cruisers, then are all six sunk. The two cruiser groups never make it past them two Japanese heavy cruisers, the bad guys are left burning and DIW, but all the light and most of the heavy US cruisers are sunk or out of action.

Destroyers do some damage when they attack all together, the problem is in one aspect they're similar to the PT boats - they're maneuverable, so by god they're gonna MANEUVER! Watching on radar (got a hacked Sargo with SJ1 in 1941) the cans attached to the cruiser group detach and wander off exploring, while the ones in the destroyer groups do whifferdills, crazy eights, and triple toe axle loops that would give a figure skating judge orgasms.

The two "groups" on the left start together and in the mission editor stay close enough together to provide mutual fire support, but in game the scurvy dogs go nuts. The red lines represent ships out of formation (BEFORE any contact with the enemy!!) and every one of them is a Somers class DD. There are 8 total, four are out of formation and the leader of the far left group is just getting back on course after his whifferdills, so he'll be 15 minutes later than the first group. When they all arrive piecemeal instead of together it's like skeet shooting for the Japanese heavy cruisers.

I'm trying to find something in the mission editor that will give all the US destroyer skippers a double dose of Thorazine, but no luck so far. I'm about to try it with an S class on full realism, Manila is toast.

Sniper297 · 01-31-14, 11:56 PM

Forget the cans, replace with light cruisers, destroyers are nothing more than traffic hazards. And I'm making the destroyer officers walk the plank, seems the most seamanlike manner of dealing with lubbers like them.

The balance in this is nuts trying to give the US a fighting chance, I researched the 2 Japanese and 1 US heavy cruiser classes;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takao-class_cruiser

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furutaka-class_cruiser

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northampton-class_cruiser

In a single ship to ship engagement a Northhampton SHOULD be able to beat a Furutaka, and two Northhamptons should be able to take on a single Takao, but these two in game seem to be tougher than the Bismark. Originally I used 8 Somers DDs (or 5 maybe 6, however many showed up instead of deciding liberty call was a better option) with 5 Northhamptons and 5 Omaha light cruisers. First engagement is a Hiryu, Fubuki, Takao, and Furutaka. The cans can sink the Hiryu and the destroyer easily enough, but the entire combined fleet gets pounded into scrap metal by the two Japanese cruisers, leaving Takao and Furutaka dead in the water but still banging away at anything within range. Finally got a total of TEN Northhamptons ganging up on the blasted unsinkable bastards, and that time one of them actually sank after wiping out 5 US cruisers and leaving three DIW. I swear I could sink both those enemy cruisers by hitting them with a baseball bat if I swung as many times as they were hit with HE rounds.

Anyway the end result will be the enemy invasion force will be outnumbered by the US forces, but with the three BBs and the oddball unsinkability of the four enemy heavy cruisers the Yanks will be heavily outclassed. So if you're an S boat fanatic playing this career mission on 100% reality you might as well count on doing nothing more than mopping up in a junkyard full of sunken US cruisers.

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01-31-14, 02:52 PM	#31
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Dunno, after researching what battleships might have been available on Dec 9 in the PI, I started over and left out US battleships. Replaced with heavy and light cruisers, then added a couple destroyer groups trying to get a little balance for the sugar boat drivers. I added one Somers class to each of the two US cruiser groups then two groups of 3 Somers DDs. This was after trying a flank attack with a squadron of PT boats, then I found in this game the PTs will only attack with 50 cals, they apparently don't understand that the "T" in "PT" stands for TORPEDO. As far as anyone knows the cruisers and tin cans don't do torpedo attacks either. So the current setup is; First group 1 Hiryu, 2 heavy cruisers, 1 destroyer. 1 gung ho crazy destroyer running at full speed to Cavite by himself. 1 BB with 2 heavy cruisers. Another crazy destroyer doing a banzai charge. 1 BB who didn't want to wait for escorts charging in alone . 1 BB blocking the bay entrance. US: 2 groups of 3 destroyers, sacrificial lambs to soften up the enemy before the cruiser groups. 1 group 3 heavy and 1 light cruisers, 1 DD 1 group 3 heavy and 2 light cruisers, 1 DD The US group despite the numbers is outclassed, if I do nothing the six cans sink the Hiryu, damage the two heavy cruisers, then are all six sunk. The two cruiser groups never make it past them two Japanese heavy cruisers, the bad guys are left burning and DIW, but all the light and most of the heavy US cruisers are sunk or out of action. Destroyers do some damage when they attack all together, the problem is in one aspect they're similar to the PT boats - they're maneuverable, so by god they're gonna MANEUVER! Watching on radar (got a hacked Sargo with SJ1 in 1941) the cans attached to the cruiser group detach and wander off exploring, while the ones in the destroyer groups do whifferdills, crazy eights, and triple toe axle loops that would give a figure skating judge orgasms. The two "groups" on the left start together and in the mission editor stay close enough together to provide mutual fire support, but in game the scurvy dogs go nuts. The red lines represent ships out of formation (BEFORE any contact with the enemy!!) and every one of them is a Somers class DD. There are 8 total, four are out of formation and the leader of the far left group is just getting back on course after his whifferdills, so he'll be 15 minutes later than the first group. When they all arrive piecemeal instead of together it's like skeet shooting for the Japanese heavy cruisers. I'm trying to find something in the mission editor that will give all the US destroyer skippers a double dose of Thorazine, but no luck so far. I'm about to try it with an S class on full realism, Manila is toast.

01-31-14, 11:56 PM	#32
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Forget the cans, replace with light cruisers, destroyers are nothing more than traffic hazards. And I'm making the destroyer officers walk the plank, seems the most seamanlike manner of dealing with lubbers like them. The balance in this is nuts trying to give the US a fighting chance, I researched the 2 Japanese and 1 US heavy cruiser classes; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takao-class_cruiser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furutaka-class_cruiser http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northampton-class_cruiser In a single ship to ship engagement a Northhampton SHOULD be able to beat a Furutaka, and two Northhamptons should be able to take on a single Takao, but these two in game seem to be tougher than the Bismark. Originally I used 8 Somers DDs (or 5 maybe 6, however many showed up instead of deciding liberty call was a better option) with 5 Northhamptons and 5 Omaha light cruisers. First engagement is a Hiryu, Fubuki, Takao, and Furutaka. The cans can sink the Hiryu and the destroyer easily enough, but the entire combined fleet gets pounded into scrap metal by the two Japanese cruisers, leaving Takao and Furutaka dead in the water but still banging away at anything within range. Finally got a total of TEN Northhamptons ganging up on the blasted unsinkable bastards, and that time one of them actually sank after wiping out 5 US cruisers and leaving three DIW. I swear I could sink both those enemy cruisers by hitting them with a baseball bat if I swung as many times as they were hit with HE rounds. Anyway the end result will be the enemy invasion force will be outnumbered by the US forces, but with the three BBs and the oddball unsinkability of the four enemy heavy cruisers the Yanks will be heavily outclassed. So if you're an S boat fanatic playing this career mission on 100% reality you might as well count on doing nothing more than mopping up in a junkyard full of sunken US cruisers.