Venezuela sliding into anarchy

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Bigblock-Fempower 427

So true so true, the nature of closed systems. Skybird:

'Ewig Ist Manchmal Zu Lang',
( Thank you Helene Fischer! I love that relativity)

Der Lange verlorenen sohn aus Norwegen hier... Sie können erraten? Bar gesichten und beziehungsprobleme , merken? Entschuldigung für die Pause... gelinde gesagt... manchmal dinge passieren, ... leben werden eine Herausforderung, und In den letzten Jahren in mehreren Aspekten mehr als ein Schluck, und die geistige Konzentration wurde folglich geschädigt und begrenzt

Ok I give in on German now, the syntax are probably already messed up... OK, Snowman from the ruins of the extirpated F4 Community here.
Miss you man! Give me a go and I'll continue.

Sorry Onkel Neal for the off topic as introduction post

Snowman...? Holy cow, it must be ten years or so, or even more - or not...? Hope you still prawl the Norwegian wilderness and scare the hell out of what back then was not yet called the politically correct, but meanwhile is called like that today?

Did not know you even are still alive!

Edit: F4, eh? Must be definitely more than ten years then. The world is a village.

[Bigblock-Fempower 427]

Oh yes, 10 years +. I am still holding on to 'healthy' controversy. Much have changed in our societies since then and the acceptance for such has been further degraded. Among a few other things that might stir the emotions beyond prescribed levels of comfort. Which are l-o-w. This thread have shed lights on some of the issues concerned.

Salute back.

Nice place here, I have not yet fully explored the site, I stumbled upon it a few weeks ago.

[Bigblock-Fempower 427]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Bigblock-Fempower 427!

Thanks for the welcome. I appreciate it. This place reminds of the spirit we had in the old Falcon 4.0 forums eons ago. I salute back

[Jimbuna]

Welcome to SubSim Bigblock-Fempower 427

[Bigblock-Fempower 427]

Thank you Jimbuna, salute, feels good to be aboard

[Bigblock-Fempower 427]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Its the people electing politicians and bringing governments into power, and staying loyal, obedient, servile. So all too often the people suffer from the government what they deserve - except those who never supported the government and never legitimated it.

You are not only free to vote during an election, in the West at least. You are also to be held accountable for your vote. This is often opportunistically ignored.

You get what you vote for. You harvest as you have sown. You get shot with the crows you have choosen to fly with. No right to complain.

Oh yes, I guess we touched upon this issue years ago, and I have discussed the same with friends here, although in the beginning some balk temporarily due to the simplicity of the idea...

'Every drop of rain feel it is not responsible for the flood'

A quote I saw on the net once.

Liability(yes really) of actions, liability of choices, liability in voting. Cause and effect.

As previously mentioned, in any multiparty free democratically principled society, there is a direct trace and track of responsibility from the very voting booths right up to the current politics applied. No politician has gravitated upwards to power positions without voters cooperation and support...

True power is not an issue of quality, it is an issue of quantity.

Politicians are thrusted upwards by the critical mass of action known as public opinion. The so called majority. Majority rules, and they rule over politicians as well. Politicians yield to power, like any other rational organism. Apply enough pressure on anything that lives, and it will yield in the opposite direction, if the force is applied generously. Just look at how politicians change opinions in certain matters as public pressure increase. The option or alternative in not yielding is unthinkable for them, translated practically as removal from power.

It is that easy, the majority choose it's own destiny, sign it, and receive it. That simple. And there is no refund if the choices are grave enough. History provides loads of lessons.

[Onkel Neal]

Venezuela Pulls Spanish-Language CNN From the Air for ‘Distorting the Truth’

The crisis deepens, "fake news" is another casualty.

[Onkel Neal]

General Motors Quits Venezuela After Officials Seize Plant
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ge...-plant-n748741

The auto giant did not provide any details about its plant being seized, other than saying it "was unexpectedly taken by authorities, preventing normal operations." It said other assets, "such as vehicles," had also been stripped from the site.

Venezuela's Information Ministry did not immediately respond to a request for information, according to Reuters.

As a result of the seizure, GM announced an "immediate cessation of its operations in the country."

Tough luck, GM. You should've seen this coming.

[Jimbuna]

Rgr that

[Onkel Neal]

Venezuela: We can't pay our debts anymore

Maduro said in a televised speech Thursday that Venezuela and its state-run oil company, PDVSA, will seek to restructure their debt payments.
The oil company made a $1.1 billion payment on Thursday, he said, a sizable amount for a country with only $10 billion left in the bank. "But after this payment, starting today, I decree a refinancing and a restructuring of the external debt," Maduro told the country.

Venezuela is already deep into a humanitarian crisis, with people suffering from food and medical shortages. Many can't afford to buy basic items because prices are skyrocketing faster than wages. The country's currency, the bolivar, is worth less than a tenth of a U.S. penny.

If Maduro's government can't reach a new agreement with bondholders over the debt restructuring -- which often means trying to pay less money -- it will end up defaulting.

That would trigger a potentially ugly series of events.

Investors in the U.S. and elsewhere could seize Venezuelan oil as collateral.
Oil is the government's only significant source of external revenue and therefore its only way to buy food and medicine for its 30 million citizens. Because the government mismanaged vast swaths of farmland, it must import almost all food.

Socialism. You get what you pay for.

[Onkel Neal]

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/venezu...-1331679299836

Everything there is now on the breaking down snowball effect.

[Onkel Neal]

Flames of revolution spreading
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/30/ameri...sis/index.html

Pompeo claims Russia stopped Maduro leaving Venezuela for Cuba
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/30/polit...sia/index.html

[Mr Quatro]

Send in the Marines or at least food and medical supplies

[em2nought]

Gee, isn't socialism swell! I wish the people good luck in their unfortunate present, and more sense the next time around. I hope our citizens, particularly our young citizens, are paying attention to this one.

[ikalugin]

Another regime change operation in South America, I wonder if they would have any helicopter memes.