[REL] Observation Periscope Color Filter - Page 5

Arclight · 12-08-09, 04:59 AM

Absolutely, if there's something I can help with or contribute I'll gladly do it. It's not the most complicated modification after all.

I think the read-me states as much, but any of this is free to use for anyone.

Which reminds me, I need to see about compatibility with newer versions of supported mods. No complaints or requests, so I figured it was all good.

*I'll dig around to see if the Japanese had something similar (my guess is they did), though you probably know better where to look.

keltos01 · 12-08-09, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

Absolutely, if there's something I can help with or contribute I'll gladly do it. It's not the most complicated modification after all.

I think the read-me states as much, but any of this is free to use for anyone.

Which reminds me, I need to see about compatibility with newer versions of supported mods. No complaints or requests, so I figured it was all good.

*I'll dig around to see if the Japanese had something similar (my guess is they did), though you probably know better where to look.

thanks and no I don't yet know if they had a similar system

keltos

Arclight · 12-08-09, 01:03 PM

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These procedures were evidently conducted at the Nippon Kogaku's optical factory at Yokosuka, in coordination with the navy's submarine base at Nagaura Harbour. During their analysis of the plant, the U.S. Navy investigators noted: 'Evidence was found that lens coatings had been carried on' and recorded that 'a few samples of apparently experimental coatings and coating material were obtained. Such experimental work demonstrated the kinds of subsidiary technologies generated by the company's efforts to deliver on IJN optical contracts. As engineers sought new ways to solve these kinds of design problems, a host of secondary investigations was inevitably added to their ongoing studies in the field of glass production. These new tasks included: experimental methods of glass annealing, the four-stage grinding and polishing of both lenses and prisms, and a variety of efforts to enhance night viewing with the aid of lens coatings and filters. The company's efforts in the field of experimental periscope lens coatings would be of particular importance in the postwar period as such coatings were later found to have a variety of optical applications. Periscope production too continued after the war, and Nikon manufactured instruments for construction surveying, as well as a series of 10 metre periscopes for use in the railcar maintenance bays of the shinkansen, or bullet-train railway line.

Seems they did at least put some research into it.

I found a diagram, but none of the parts are named, just numbered.
https://circle.ubc.ca/bitstream/hand...pdf?sequence=1
It never specifically mentions colored filters, but at the bottom it lists a number of sources that might be interesting.

* frickin FileFront. There's a pack with all the versions hosted here at SS, I'll add a link to the first post.

keltos01 · 12-08-09, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

Seems they did at least put some research into it.

I found a diagram, but none of the parts are named, just numbered.
https://circle.ubc.ca/bitstream/hand...pdf?sequence=1
It never specifically mentions colored filters, but at the bottom it lists a number of sources that might be interesting.

* frickin FileFront. There's a pack with all the versions hosted here at SS, I'll add a link to the first post.

thanks !!! great so at least we could use it too

and be historically correct !

keltos

Arclight · 12-09-09, 01:35 AM

It just lifts a tip of the veil, but it's something.

It seems that at least early research were just attempts at copying German optics. Considering Japan was part of the Axis forces during WWII, it might not be such a stretch to assume they simply adopted the German rayfilter assembly and used it in their own designs.

Of course, it's just a guess. Not even really an educated one at that.

I'm having fun digging stuff up. Always a lot of interesting stuff lurking beneath the surface.

keltos01 · 12-09-09, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

It just lifts a tip of the veil, but it's something.

It seems that at least early research were just attempts at copying German optics. Considering Japan was part of the Axis forces during WWII, it might not be such a stretch to assume they simply adopted the German rayfilter assembly and used it in their own designs.

Of course, it's just a guess. Not even really an educated one at that.

I'm having fun digging stuff up. Always a lot of interesting stuff lurking beneath the surface.

I know the feeling, digging stuff up

i'm an archaeologist...

anyways : so we should go for the orange filter then ?

we'd need the uboot addon 1.5 version as our mod replaces the german boats.

thanks

keltos

Arclight · 12-09-09, 03:41 AM

The orange is an option, but not confirmed accurate. Think I might shoot some mails around the web for confirmation.

At any rate: what I do is modify the "menu_1024_768.ini", so the 2 scopes use a different .dds. What I'd need is a copy of the .ini, and the .dds that needs some colour. Then I'll knock up a few versions with different opacity and you can pick which you want to use.

Or if you prefer to have color in both, you could just use the same file for both scope, or if you're using 2 different ones supply both files to be modded.

I don't know if this was the case with the Japanese ones, but for the US the observation scope had better light transmission, so I could add a highly transparant layer of black as well to make the picture less bright for the attack scope (imho this should be done with any scope since there's always a loss of light, but with the eye on playability it can be left out).

Come to think of it, I don't even know if the IJN used multiple scopes in their designs.

Obviously you can make the modifications yourself if you prefer. Like I said, I claim no "rights" to the concept.

keltos01 · 12-09-09, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

The orange is an option, but not confirmed accurate. Think I might shoot some mails around the web for confirmation.

At any rate: what I do is modify the "menu_1024_768.ini", so the 2 scopes use a different .dds. What I'd need is a copy of the .ini, and the .dds that needs some colour. Then I'll knock up a few versions with different opacity and you can pick which you want to use.

Or if you prefer to have color in both, you could just use the same file for both scope, or if you're using 2 different ones supply both files to be modded.

I don't know if this was the case with the Japanese ones, but for the US the observation scope had better light transmission, so I could add a highly transparant layer of black as well to make the picture less bright for the attack scope (imho this should be done with any scope since there's always a loss of light, but with the eye on playability it can be left out).

Come to think of it, I don't even know if the IJN used multiple scopes in their designs.

Obviously you can make the modifications yourself if you prefer. Like I said, I claim no "rights" to the concept.

ok thanks, I'll pm you with the files.

I noticed I had two sets of dds : one in data/menu/skins/german/gui/layout/Periscope_Mask_1024

one in :

data/menu/gui/layout/Periscope_Mask_1024v10
data/menu/gui/layout/Periscope_Mask_1024

is the latter needed ? as we use german stuff, maybe that changes the US side ?

I made the Type 88 IJN periscope a year ago so the details are a bit blurry..

keltos

Arclight · 12-09-09, 08:01 AM

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When you get in the "Skins" folder, there should be 2 folders. One for US and one for German. Follow either down further to get to the modded file.

Note how the stucture splits at the "skins" directory and continues on through both the "American" and "German" directories.

As long as both files go into the "German\Gui\Layout" folder, the US side should remain unafected.

I must admit it's all a bit blurry for me too. :rotfl:

I'll need a bit of time to get my bearings, make sure I do it right, but by the end of the day or tomorrow it should be usuable.

keltos01 · 12-22-09, 01:46 AM

Thanks for the scope Arclight !

and a Merry Xmas to you too !

[edit] and a Happy New Year !

keltos

Arclight · 12-22-09, 01:52 AM

You are most welcome, thanks for a chance to contribute.

Merry Christmas and happy new year.

Wolfgang42 · 01-03-10, 01:29 AM

Is there something like this for the TBT?

Arclight · 01-03-10, 12:51 PM

Nope, technically not, though I could whip up a custom one.

sergei · 01-03-10, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfgang42

Is there something like this for the TBT?

I made one a few months back for Bubblehead1980.
Give me an hour and I'll track down the files, I have no idea where I left them, they're on my PC somewhere!
I'll upload them to subsim when I find them and post a link.

Bubblehead1980 · 01-04-10, 12:24 AM

I am currently out of town, will get home tomorrow, where the TBT color filter files are and get them to sergei.

BTW, any chance someone could whip up a green and red filter for RFB 2.0 TBT?

12-08-09, 04:59 AM	#61
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Absolutely, if there's something I can help with or contribute I'll gladly do it. It's not the most complicated modification after all. I think the read-me states as much, but any of this is free to use for anyone. Which reminds me, I need to see about compatibility with newer versions of supported mods. No complaints or requests, so I figured it was all good. I'll dig around to see if the Japanese had something similar (my guess is they did), though you probably know better where to look. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.*

12-09-09, 01:35 AM	#65
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	It just lifts a tip of the veil, but it's something. It seems that at least early research were just attempts at copying German optics. Considering Japan was part of the Axis forces during WWII, it might not be such a stretch to assume they simply adopted the German rayfilter assembly and used it in their own designs. Of course, it's just a guess. Not even really an educated one at that. I'm having fun digging stuff up. Always a lot of interesting stuff lurking beneath the surface. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

12-09-09, 03:41 AM	#67
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	The orange is an option, but not confirmed accurate. Think I might shoot some mails around the web for confirmation. At any rate: what I do is modify the "menu_1024_768.ini", so the 2 scopes use a different .dds. What I'd need is a copy of the .ini, and the .dds that needs some colour. Then I'll knock up a few versions with different opacity and you can pick which you want to use. Or if you prefer to have color in both, you could just use the same file for both scope, or if you're using 2 different ones supply both files to be modded. I don't know if this was the case with the Japanese ones, but for the US the observation scope had better light transmission, so I could add a highly transparant layer of black as well to make the picture less bright for the attack scope (imho this should be done with any scope since there's always a loss of light, but with the eye on playability it can be left out). Come to think of it, I don't even know if the IJN used multiple scopes in their designs. Obviously you can make the modifications yourself if you prefer. Like I said, I claim no "rights" to the concept. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

12-22-09, 01:46 AM	#70
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	Thanks for the scope Arclight ! and a Merry Xmas to you too ! [edit] and a Happy New Year ! keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships" Last edited by keltos01; 12-22-09 at 03:21 AM.

12-22-09, 01:52 AM	#71
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	You are most welcome, thanks for a chance to contribute. Merry Christmas and happy new year. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

01-03-10, 01:29 AM	#72
Wolfgang42 Swabbie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Grid AN16 Posts: 13 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Is there something like this for the TBT?

01-03-10, 12:51 PM	#73
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Nope, technically not, though I could whip up a custom one. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

01-04-10, 12:24 AM	#75
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 6,922 Downloads: 550 Uploads: 42	I am currently out of town, will get home tomorrow, where the TBT color filter files are and get them to sergei. BTW, any chance someone could whip up a green and red filter for RFB 2.0 TBT?