Guess the country: Spain and the struggle of Catalonia for freedom - Page 3

Skybird · 10-01-17, 06:11 AM

Oh. By the title I thought this thread was some forum guessing game, and so I never opened it. LOL

Jimbuna · 10-01-17, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Oh. By the title I thought this thread was some forum guessing game, and so I never opened it. LOL

Fair point actually but bottom line being they are both about the same subject

Skybird · 10-01-17, 06:55 AM

Last-word-fetishist!

Jimbuna · 10-01-17, 07:33 AM

Pardon me?

STEED · 10-01-17, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Last-word-fetishist!

And here comes Reece...

Skybird · 10-01-17, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Pardon me?

There...! He did it again...! I can see it with my own eyes! Last-word-fetishism at its finest!

Jimbuna · 10-01-17, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

There...! He did it again...! I can see it with my own eyes! Last-word-fetishism at its finest!

Ah, okay.

Skybird · 10-01-17, 10:21 AM

Anyhow, more sad pictures and news from Catalunya. The Spanish state behaves like a slaveholder fighting down a rebellion of slaves.

The EU must feel relieved.

Question is how long until it boomerangs.

Listen, regimes in Madrid and Brussels, people are not property, they are not to be owned. A people that says it does not wish to be governed by you anymore, has to be your command. The days of feudalism and colonialism are over. Its the people's decision whether they let you rule or not - not yours.

We see the arrogance of power in action.

STEED · 10-01-17, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Anyhow, more sad pictures and news from Catalunya. The Spanish state behaves like a slaveholder fighting down a rebellion of slaves.

The EU must feel relieved.

Question is how long until it boomerangs.

Listen, regimes in Madrid and Brussels, people are not property, they are not to be owned. A people that says it does not wish to be governed by you anymore, has to be your command. The days of feudalism and colonialism are over. Its the people's decision whether they let you rule or not - not yours.

We see the arrogance of power in action.

Agreed.

Schroeder · 10-01-17, 01:17 PM

Some really ugly pictures there today. Certainly not worthy of a western democracy.

Onkel Neal · 10-01-17, 01:45 PM

Should we amend the title of this thread to re reflect the topic more accurately?

Skybird · 10-01-17, 01:54 PM

German media report over 760 injured from rubber bullets and batons. Almost no policemen amongst them: the violence was distributed very one-sided, it seems. Spanish police units should have bullied and pushed away Catalunyan units. A German living in Barcelona reported that the Guardia Civil already is very much hated and met with contempt in Catalunya. It will not have made itself new friends today.

Catfish · 10-01-17, 01:57 PM

What is all that about the EU? The EU has not much to do with it.
Should it openly support Catalunyan independence?
Should it do the same with Scotland, or Ireland?

From a comment "[...] Unlike Scotland, Catalonia was never a kingdom, nor was it brutally conquered and massacred like Scotland was."

mapuc · 10-01-17, 02:29 PM

Trying to follow what's going on by watching Swedish and Danish news and read news from these two country about this topic.

What I ask myself is..what will this end with ?

Markus

Skybird · 10-01-17, 04:26 PM

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From a comment "[...] Unlike Scotland, Catalonia was never a kingdom, nor was it brutally conquered and massacred like Scotland was."

Check the historical overview on Wikipedia, that simple as that comment implies it is not. It was a playball between France and Spain, and object in changing alliances, not all of them were agreed to voluntarily.

The region was amongst the richest and most indiustrialised before the outbreak of the financial crisis symptoms 2007 and had one of the lowest unemployment rates in the whole EU. As part of Madrid'S policies to plunder its financial reserves to finance the other Spanish regions, it got drowned and still is drowning in debts, and now has a record high of unemployment which now is one of the highest in the whole EU - with the rest of Spain being much better off - and Catalunya's cost. The debts weigh heavy as well.

That the people there want much more autonomy in order to defend themselves against the plundering by the socialists in Madrid, to me is absolutely understandable. They were the richest of Spain's regions, and now are the most sucked-out and unemployed, the rest of Spain seems to have been restored at their cost. Now they are a negative record holder in debts and unemployment. Not just in Spain, but in the EU.

The busted property and construction boom from several years ago, did its own part to complete the fall.

The EU hardly would accept an independent Catalunya as new EU member, since that decision must be agreed to all by all EU member states - and I cannot imagine that Madrid would ever say Yes. I had the impression anyway that the Catalunyians did not seriously want to separate in all seirousness, but wanted by majority more, greater autonomy. With today's events, that might have changed however, and many who wanted just more autonomy now indeed may want independence.

Rajoy, this damn narcissist, has done everything wrong on this that could be done wrong. Idiot.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,457 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Anyhow, more sad pictures and news from Catalunya. The Spanish state behaves like a slaveholder fighting down a rebellion of slaves. The EU must feel relieved. Question is how long until it boomerangs. Listen, regimes in Madrid and Brussels, people are not property, they are not to be owned. A people that says it does not wish to be governed by you anymore, has to be your command. The days of feudalism and colonialism are over. Its the people's decision whether they let you rule or not - not yours. We see the arrogance of power in action. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,457 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	German media report over 760 injured from rubber bullets and batons. Almost no policemen amongst them: the violence was distributed very one-sided, it seems. Spanish police units should have bullied and pushed away Catalunyan units. A German living in Barcelona reported that the Guardia Civil already is very much hated and met with contempt in Catalunya. It will not have made itself new friends today. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,834 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Trying to follow what's going on by watching Swedish and Danish news and read news from these two country about this topic. What I ask myself is..what will this end with ? Markus