Gulf of Oman suspected torpedo attack/escalating hostilities - Page 3

Skybird · 06-15-19, 02:51 PM

For his usual bigmouthed standards, the Donald acts and talks remarkably reluctant.

Could be a sign that they know it was not Iran. Second most likely candidate then would be Saudi Arabia. A rise in oil price would be in the Saudi interest, as well as trying to lure the US back into the region in strength.

Platapus · 06-16-19, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

OK USA is accusing Iran

Lets look at it in a geopolitical point-of-view

Which countries in the area would gain most in a war between USA and Iran ?

Markus

In the analytical world we have a Latin Phrase Cui Bono

Which means "who benefits". When evaluating these types of issues, this is one of the first questions we ask ourselves.

1. Who benefits by linking the Iranian government to these incidents?

2. Who is pushing the narrative that the Iranian government is behind these incidents?

Is there a connection between 1 and 2?

Mr Quatro · 06-16-19, 09:38 AM

Don't forget how long it took to find out what happen to the missing reporter that entered the SA embassy in Turkey that fatefull day. I'm not saying SA did it, but that's how truth works in that part of the world.

Spy agencies that listen to private conversations already know who did it, SOS has pointed his finger at Iran ... Iran is suspected and those that doubt have already been leaning on Iran's siide.

Rockstar · 06-16-19, 10:20 AM

Who doesn't want Japan involved or mending ties with the U.S. and Iran? A few years ago the New York times ran a headline "For China's Global Ambitions, Iran Is at the Center of Everything.'

targeting oil flow, a jap tanker during a japanese diplomatic visit. China may have orhestrated and sent a message to Russia, Japan and U.S. Stay away from Iran

mapuc · 06-16-19, 05:43 PM

There is another candidate who haven't been mentioned.

I myself don't believe they are behind, even though they would have the biggest benefit.

They can take on Iran them self if they wanted to, but if they can get a big friend to do the job for them, even better.

The Candidate is Israel.

Markus

Edit:
Forgot something. I'm with Skybird. The best candidate beside Iran is Saudi-Arabia. If it's due to oil-prices I don't know.
I think it has to do with the civil war in Yemen

End of Edit

Jimbuna · 06-18-19, 04:53 AM

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The US military will send an additional 1,000 troops to the Middle East as tensions build with Iran.

Acting Defence Secretary Patrick Shanahan said the deployment was in response to what he described as "hostile behaviour" by Iranian forces.

The US Navy also shared new images it says link Iran to attacks last week on two oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman.

Washington has accused Iran of blowing holes in the vessels with mines. Iran has denied the allegations.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48671319

Totally expected under the present circumstances I suppose.

Skybird · 06-18-19, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

There is another candidate who haven't been mentioned.

I myself don't believe they are behind, even though they would have the biggest benefit.

They can take on Iran them self if they wanted to, but if they can get a big friend to do the job for them, even better.

The Candidate is Israel.

Markus

Edit:
Forgot something. I'm with Skybird. The best candidate beside Iran is Saudi-Arabia. If it's due to oil-prices I don't know.
I think it has to do with the civil war in Yemen

End of Edit

I doubt Israel would consider such acing. The risk is too high. If it gets unveilled to globla public that Israel is behind it, then the brown stuff hits the fan and its not as if Israel already has so many friends. It would be diplomatic armageddon.

Jimbuna · 06-18-19, 08:46 AM

Gulf of Oman tanker attacks: What could be Iran's motive?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48642401

mapuc · 06-18-19, 06:29 PM

A plausible scenario
(based on what I have read and heard about the civil war in Yemen)

Iran supporting the(keep on forgetting what they are called-something with hut….) with weapon and if I remember correctly logistic.

Some month ago or so I read Saudi-Arabian navy had been shelling some Harbour in Yemen, who was under (Can't remember what they are called)control.

Could it be that the Iranian Navy have placed some sea mine in the area, to take out the Saudi-Arabian navy or some of their warship, but due to some mistake/failure these mines have drifted away out into the open see where these tankers hit some of them.

Afterward Iran have removed the rest of these mines, as seen on these surveillance videos

Nothing but a plausible scenario

Markus

Reece · 06-18-19, 07:28 PM

IIRC the holes (or some) in the ships were above the waterline.

Jimbuna · 06-19-19, 09:31 AM

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FUJAIRAH, United Arab Emirates (Reuters) - The United States Navy on Wednesday displayed limpet mine fragments and a magnet it said it had removed from one of two oil tankers attacked in the Gulf of Oman last week, saying the mines bore a striking resemblance to Iranian ones.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mi...-idUKKCN1TK1C3

em2nought · 06-19-19, 11:08 AM

Let's cut to the chase! Who does AOC consider to be the culprits?

Schroeder · 06-19-19, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reuters

the mines bore a striking resemblance to Iranian ones.

Well, the people attacking a certain German radio station also bore a striking resemblance to Polish troops....
That's the problem here.... Who can we trust in this? I would say no one.

Mr Quatro · 06-19-19, 02:35 PM

I can't figure out how a mine can get above the waterline yet, plus why would Iran send a patrol craft to remove a mine?

They want to resume nuclear fuel stock piles above the limit preset by the now no longer abiding in treaty. Looks like pre-planned to do just that.

Skybird · 06-19-19, 02:50 PM

All this is no evidence, but just claim. All this includes no details that allow getting tested independently and verified and falsified.The big and the small shiop in that thermal image (?) video) could not get identified. The people aboard could not be identified. Place and time could not be verified. Now the mine claims - claims.

Possible that it is like the US and the UK say. Not unreasonable at all. But after the past forged evidence and wrong claims that launched war actions in the region in 2003, I do not think that claim alone is good enough.

Thats the problem with liars. When in the future they say the truth, nobody believes them easily.

06-15-19, 02:51 PM	#31
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,486 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	For his usual bigmouthed standards, the Donald acts and talks remarkably reluctant. Could be a sign that they know it was not Iran. Second most likely candidate then would be Saudi Arabia. A rise in oil price would be in the Saudi interest, as well as trying to lure the US back into the region in strength. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-16-19, 09:38 AM	#33
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Don't forget how long it took to find out what happen to the missing reporter that entered the SA embassy in Turkey that fatefull day. I'm not saying SA did it, but that's how truth works in that part of the world. Spy agencies that listen to private conversations already know who did it, SOS has pointed his finger at Iran ... Iran is suspected and those that doubt have already been leaning on Iran's siide. __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

06-16-19, 10:20 AM	#34
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,830 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Who doesn't want Japan involved or mending ties with the U.S. and Iran? A few years ago the New York times ran a headline "For China's Global Ambitions, Iran Is at the Center of Everything.' targeting oil flow, a jap tanker during a japanese diplomatic visit. China may have orhestrated and sent a message to Russia, Japan and U.S. Stay away from Iran __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 06-16-19 at 05:04 PM.

06-16-19, 05:43 PM	#35
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,870 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	There is another candidate who haven't been mentioned. I myself don't believe they are behind, even though they would have the biggest benefit. They can take on Iran them self if they wanted to, but if they can get a big friend to do the job for them, even better. The Candidate is Israel. Markus Edit: Forgot something. I'm with Skybird. The best candidate beside Iran is Saudi-Arabia. If it's due to oil-prices I don't know. I think it has to do with the civil war in Yemen End of Edit Last edited by mapuc; 06-16-19 at 05:58 PM.

06-18-19, 08:46 AM	#38
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,120 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Gulf of Oman tanker attacks: What could be Iran's motive? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48642401 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

06-18-19, 06:29 PM	#39
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,870 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	A plausible scenario (based on what I have read and heard about the civil war in Yemen) Iran supporting the(keep on forgetting what they are called-something with hut….) with weapon and if I remember correctly logistic. Some month ago or so I read Saudi-Arabian navy had been shelling some Harbour in Yemen, who was under (Can't remember what they are called)control. Could it be that the Iranian Navy have placed some sea mine in the area, to take out the Saudi-Arabian navy or some of their warship, but due to some mistake/failure these mines have drifted away out into the open see where these tankers hit some of them. Afterward Iran have removed the rest of these mines, as seen on these surveillance videos Nothing but a plausible scenario Markus

06-18-19, 07:28 PM	#40
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,732 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	IIRC the holes (or some) in the ships were above the waterline. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

06-19-19, 11:08 AM	#42
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,262 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Let's cut to the chase! Who does AOC consider to be the culprits? __________________ Looks like we need a Lemon Law for Presidents now! DNC sold us a dud, and they knew it.

06-19-19, 02:35 PM	#44
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I can't figure out how a mine can get above the waterline yet, plus why would Iran send a patrol craft to remove a mine? They want to resume nuclear fuel stock piles above the limit preset by the now no longer abiding in treaty. Looks like pre-planned to do just that. __________________ pla•teau noun a relatively stable level, period, or condition a level of attainment or achievement Lord help me get to the next plateau ..

06-19-19, 02:50 PM	#45
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,486 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	All this is no evidence, but just claim. All this includes no details that allow getting tested independently and verified and falsified.The big and the small shiop in that thermal image (?) video) could not get identified. The people aboard could not be identified. Place and time could not be verified. Now the mine claims - claims. Possible that it is like the US and the UK say. Not unreasonable at all. But after the past forged evidence and wrong claims that launched war actions in the region in 2003, I do not think that claim alone is good enough. Thats the problem with liars. When in the future they say the truth, nobody believes them easily. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.