I'm baaack

[Red Devil]

and my respects to you too (all of you)

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Red Devil

yeah I know but its the principle of the thing. I do a lot of WW2 research as a hobby and a hell of a lot on U Boats. I admire the bravery of the men who sailed in them. 75% of whom never came home. But, the line is drawn even on sims. In my research on the British Merchant Navy in WW2, I side with them poor souls.

Welcome back to the surface matey and a word of understanding about how so many feel.

My father lied about his age to join the MN and participated in the Spanish Civil war, he was also at Dunkirk, last ship to leave Marseille before it fell (RN having left the day before), only convoy to sail to Murmansk without an armed escort and Normandy amongst other places.

What angers me is the fact his bravery was never formally recognised by the UK government before he died yet he was awarded a from the Russian Ambassador in London well over twenty years ago.

Despite the above I play U-boat sims because I feel I can identify the difference between real life and computer games but that is not meant to take anything away from your feelings...we all deal with life in different ways.

Regards
Jimbuna

[Red Devil]

Jimbuna


I sympathise completely. A former Army friend of mine was telling me recently about his trip to No 10 Downing Street, London, with his father. His dad was to receive a presentation from President Putin himself of a silver, bejewelled dagger and medal for his services in WW2 to Russia. It took organisations and Vets a long time to get the intransigent British Government to allow our brave Arctic sailors to be recognised by Russia for the deeds they suffered to get vital supplies to Murmansk and Archangel.

Politicians are so very slow to recognise the sacrifices undertaken by the past, for the future and it is very very sad.

Many sailors and others, of many nationalities, suffered the utlimate sacrifice in order that there was food on the table in Britain, ammunition in the rifles of allied soldiers and fuel for the ships and planes of the USAAF, Royal Air force and the Royal Navy.

I know that we enjoy simulations etc in todays modern 21st C technology but there is also the fact, the hard cold fact, that things may have been VERY different if it was not for the hardships, deaths, hunger and bewilderment of our parents in war time. There is a favourite saying here in the UK- they would turn in their graves if they could see what became of their ultimate sacrifice.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Red Devil

Jimbuna


I sympathise completely. A former Army friend of mine was telling me recently about his trip to No 10 Downing Street, London, with his father. His dad was to receive a presentation from President Putin himself of a silver, bejewelled dagger and medal for his services in WW2 to Russia. It took organisations and Vets a long time to get the intransigent British Government to allow our brave Arctic sailors to be recognised by Russia for the deeds they suffered to get vital supplies to Murmansk and Archangel.

Politicians are so very slow to recognise the sacrifices undertaken by the past, for the future and it is very very sad.

Many sailors and others, of many nationalities, suffered the utlimate sacrifice in order that there was food on the table in Britain, ammunition in the rifles of allied soldiers and fuel for the ships and planes of the USAAF, Royal Air force and the Royal Navy.

I know that we enjoy simulations etc in todays modern 21st C technology but there is also the fact, the hard cold fact, that things may have been VERY different if it was not for the hardships, deaths, hunger and bewilderment of our parents in war time. There is a favourite saying here in the UK- they would turn in their graves if they could see what became of their ultimate sacrifice.

The closest I got to rectifying the injustice was an enamel badge and that was only through the efforts of a friend who was the UK Foreign Secretary at the time.



I'll look for my Russian medal photos on one of my external drives and put them up asap....Sailor Steve might be quicker if he sees this post because he has copies.

[Red Devil]

I did 17 years in British Army, suppose I am entitled to one of them??

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Sailor Steve might be quicker if he sees this post because he has copies.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

[Jimbuna]

Cheers Steve