Beautiful Sailing Ships

[ivanov.ruslan]

One of the ships of highly respected sir Henry Morgan, Satisfaction

[Jimbuna]

Stavros S Niarchos

[Mr Quatro]

Will this help? Any one have a Clipper ship picture (40" gunwale)

[Aktungbby]

Cutty Sark practically the sole survivor: a Tea Clipper Had some famous races against Thermopylae, an 'extreme composite clipper: During the time from 1859 British clipper ships continued to be built. Earlier British clipper ships had become known as extreme clippers, and were considered to be "as sharp as the American" built ships. From 1859 a new design was developed for British clipper ships that was nothing like the American clippers. These ships built from 1859 continued to be called extreme clippers. The new design had a sleek graceful appearance, less sheer, less freeboard, lower bulwarks, and smaller breadth. They were built for the China tea trade and began with Falcon in 1859, and finished with the last ships built in 1870. It is estimated that 25 to 30 of these ships were built, and no more than 4–5 per year. The earlier ships were made from wood, though some were made from iron, just as some British clippers had been made from iron prior to 1859. In 1863 the first tea clippers of composite construction were brought out, combining the best of both worlds. Composite clippers had the strength of iron spars with wooden hulls, and copper sheathing could be added to prevent the fouling that occurred on iron hulls...Cutty Sark!

[Catfish]

Thanks for the Cutty Sark picture!

...and copper sheathing could be added to prevent the fouling that occurred on iron hulls...

As for the hull, the Cutty Sark hull was still made of wood. Have visited her in Greenwich, though long before the fire, and built three models of it. It has been rebuilt since then.

The name is interesting, "Cutty Sark" is a witch from a scottish tale i think (the nickname of the witch Nannie Dee), and it also (or: of course) is the "gallion figure" (figurehead?) of the ship.
I think a "cutty sark" is also a short (cut-off?) shirt from ye olde english language, and the witch is expected to have worn such a garment, thus her name.

The man who rode through an english forest, at night, saw some light and sound, in a nearby derelict chapel. So he wanted to find out what was going on.. unfortunately it was a witches' meeting, and they soon detected him. He quickly mounted his horse and went off as fast as it would gallop, but they were close after him.
Then there was a stream before him (as everyone knows ghosts and witches cannot pass running water) and he spurred his horse to make a giant leap .. and so got off by a hair, or better by some hairs of his brave horse's tail, the leading witch (Mrs Cutty Sark) managed to grab, before both crossed the water.
So he survived and lived to tell the tale..

And, before the next journey, the sailors of the "Cutty Sark" always put some horses' hairs in the hand of the wooden Mrs Sark, just to make sure..





All the best,
Catfish

[mapuc]

If I had a little more skill, well a lot more skill it is, I would love to build this beauty

http://www.artesanialatina.net/EN/mo...s-victory.html

Markus

[bertieck476]

I like to see the cutty sark when I visit greenwich, she is impressive and forms part of the dramatic backdrop from the observatory viewpoint.
Some friends I sail with have worked as riggers on the cutty sark one of whoms company rerigged her after the recent fire damage.
The thought of going aloft in a stormy seaway...no thanks.

[Aktungbby]

Well I'm not the only ship nut out there! I made the 3' Cutty Sark model when I was a lad of 14,with all the sails, deadeyes with standing and running rigging followed by the USS Constitution and HMS Victory...now if I could just get the Revell type VII Uboat done...One of my nephews found the model packed in a moving box in my parent's basement and is quite fond of it in his own home. God knows where these things end up! This one is of the opium clipper Lightning under very full sail, something of a hazard as clipper skippers tended to go dangerously fast. @ Bertieck: CLIMBING THE RIGGING IS A MINOR PROBLEM; IT'S THE INSANE CAPTAINS: " A clipper designer would also devote much attention to smoothing his ship’s “run,” her bottom at the after end. This practice lessened friction and added speed—but it also had its dangers. Too clean a run could result in an excessively fine form above the waterline and a consequent lack of buoyancy which often led to a ship being pooped—that is, swamped by a following wave. Ariel was one of a number of ships that suffered from this tendency, and when she vanished without trace while on passage in 1872 it was generally assumed that a following sea had struck from behind and washed her helmsman overboard. With no hand on the wheel, the clipper would have swung broadside to the following wave and been struck with such ferocity she would have sunk almost instantly.
Nautical men also acknowledged that the finest clipper would be nothing without a captain prepared to drive her hard for every moment of a voyage. The best masters pretty much lived on deck for the three-and-a-half month passage, and the ceaseless efforts made by Dick Robinson of the Fiery Cross were said to be worth an extra half-knot in speed to any ship he captained. Even conservatively built ships were generally loaded so they were trimmed down at the stern, as it was considered that the extra weight helped their sailing qualities. Once all the tea had been stowed away, the crew would still have to work hard to redistribute their cargo so as to ensure the optimum speed; some captains took matters further still. Ariel was noted for keeping on deck an enormous box, twelve feet long, packed with the heaviest metal obtainable. Once at sea, Captain Keay would watch as his men labored to drag the box to and fro until he was satisfied that its position would add still another edge to his performance." To sailors, three things made a ship a clipper. She must be sharp-lined, built for speed. She must be tall-sparred and carry the utmost spread of canvas. And she must use that sail, day and night, fair weather and foul.

[mapuc]

^ I have built a lot of models during my life. They were all made of plastic. I have only build one ship made of wood

Billing boats 603 Norden.
It is when it comes to build ships made of wood I need a lot more skills.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The three-masted barque Statsraad Lemkuhl.

[Mr Quatro]

Very kind of you Aktungbby, but tell me what is an extreme clipper ship like the one that held the record for over 100 years ...
you know the record from New York to San Francisco. Which by the way was just broken not all that long ago.

As for finishing your model U-boat you might need to live in an area that snows a lot lol

[Aktungbby]

Well the record was held by the Flying Cloud, an American McKay-built clipper...but technically NOT an 'extreme clipper'; (less than 40'' dead rise" Her transit via the Cape of Good Horn: 89 days 8 hours breaking her own previous record of 89 days/21 hours! The ship held this record for over 100 years, from 1854 to 1989. The term extreme Clipper was great advertising though in the competitive shipping trade; so the term was liberally applied to all clippers built by Mckay!

Duncan McLean, the marine reporter who wrote at least 161 more or less detailed descriptions of ships launched in Boston and elsewhere in New England for the Boston Daily Atlas between April 1850 and March 1857, defined an extreme clipper as "clippers of 40 inches dead rise at half floor". By his definition extreme clippers ceased to be built after early 1852.
In the midst of the great clipper boom, in early 1851, he wrote "Nearly all the clipper ships which have been built recently, have had 40 inches dead rise at half floor." This was followed in late 1852 by his comment "It is therefore doubtful whether another clipper, having 40 inches dead rise, will be built."
Further understanding of what was happening in clipper ship construction at the time can be obtained from reading the whole section from which the last sentence above was obtained. "Our first large clippers had rounded lines and 40 inches dead rise at half floor; but now nearly all new clippers have hollow lines, and only 30 or 18 inches dead rise. The upright stem, too, has been modified into the inclined, and the length and sharpness of the ends have also been much varied."..."though very sharp and clipperly in the ends, has only 20 inches dead rise at half floor, experience having demonstrated, that great length with sharp ends do not require extreme sharpness of floor. Buoyancy is of more importance, and the speed obtained, especially running free, is more satisfactory. It is therefore doubtful whether another clipper, having 40 inches dead rise, will be built."
This narrower definition has not been accepted by history. The term "extreme clipper" was applied to the clipper ships built by Donald McKay during 1851 even though their dead rises were less than 40". It was also been applied to clipper ships he built from 1852 to 1854, and to similar clipper ships built by other shipbuilders in the same period. It has been applied to clipper ships built with a lengthening of the bow above to water, a drawing out and sharpening of the forward body, and the greatest breadth further aft.

Now days it would probably be called a 'radical' or 'gnarly' Clipper!

[Aktungbby]

Revenue Cutter: CALIFORNIAN at the Golden Gate 50th anniversary 1987And to keep our British buddies happy: QUEEN MARY II 2007 with an escort!

[Jimbuna]

El Galeon Andalucia

[Aktungbby]

GOLDEN HINDOne of history's more notable warships. I was aboard her at Redwood City when she navigated the globe in 1987. This is the one replica at Southwark London, not the one at Brixham. "The deck beneath my feet was painted red, too, as it would have been in Drake's time, in order to hide spilled blood." A clear understanding of the bu$ine$$ at hand! Considered a sea-faring terrorist, ADM Sir Francis Drake, dubbed El Draque by the Spanish; King Philip II was said to have offered a reward of 20,000 ducats about £4 million (US$6.5m) by modern standards, for his life. A poor return IMHO: Near Lima, Drake captured a Spanish ship laden with 25,000 pesos of Peruvian gold, amounting in value to 37,000 ducats of Spanish money (about £7m by modern standards). Drake also discovered news of another ship, Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, which was sailing west towards Manila. Drake gave chase and eventually captured the treasure ship, which proved his most profitable capture.
Aboard Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, Drake found 80 lb (36 kg) of gold, a golden crucifix, jewels, 13 chests full of royals of plate and 26 tons of silver. THAT much balla$t took six days to transfer (at sea) to the Golden Hind! The Queen's half-portion of the loot surpassed the crown's revenue for one year!
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