Conn, n00bie!

Nijntjepluis · 12-05-17, 02:34 PM

Hi all!

So, this is my first post. Even before brewing tea; I must be mad.

So, I saw The Mighty Jingles play Cold Waters. I used to love my Harpoon classic and Silent Hunter (back in the day when PC screens had less than 16 colours) so I figured I give it a go.

Admission: I downloaded the game illegally. Yes, I know. Pirates are targets for a torp. I did that to test the game on my hardware and see if I did like it before actually buying it on Steam. Which I now have, so I deleted the other copy. There, I do think games devs these days should put more demos out there.

Anyway, hello! I'm Belgian / Dutch / German / British, 41 years old, married to Barbara, two kids: Erik and Nova. I spend my time working, writing, tinkering with my '82 XT550, camping out and playing.

LEGO
Kerbal Space Program
CMANO
World of Tanks / Warships
OpenTTD

I've been playing Cold Waters for a couple of days now, but I've already shot a Tango at point-blank range, left the water like a dolphin on speed, killed a Foxtrot with his own torpedos and been sunk quite a lot.

Especially in that 'stop the amphibs'-mission, with a Krivak hammering away with active sonar and passing out torps as if they were cookies.

OK, I'll be back soon. Now watch a JiveTurkey vid, learn about torpede evasion. I need it.

Jimbuna · 12-05-17, 02:43 PM

Welcome to SubSim

SiegDerMaus · 12-05-17, 03:41 PM

For torpedo evasion you almost have to be in an LA or Skipjack class. A Sturgeon or Permit will simply not have the speed for close range torpedo evasion.

Now, that's not saying you can't evade torpedoes in a Sturgeon, you simply have to do it at longer range. Once you detect a launch, change course, depth, and speed, maybe launch a decoy. But if the torpedo acquires you in one of the slower boats, you're dead already.

For an LA or Skipjack, all you have to do is run at flank and knuckle like crazy. These boats can do long range evasion too, but they actually have options if a fish acquires them. Once you get the torpedo in the water warning, set flank speed, drop a noisemaker when it gets close if you're still not quite moving fast enough. Run in a snaking course with hard back and forth turns to create knuckles behind you (Sturgeons and Permits can knuckle too, but can't move fast enough to do it reliably), now you might be able to force the fish to acquire an enemy or one of your decoys, or you might have to knuckle until the torpedo's out of running time.

XenonSurf · 12-06-17, 04:46 AM

Welcome to subsim

I find the torpedo evasions the most fun and challenging part in this game.
I assume torpedos have a seeker angle of 180° to detect your sub, so you would have to make a 100° turn at full speed to get out of this cone. I suggest to use a sub with a max speed of 30 knots to start with so you get used to the tactics. Then, vertical evasion is important because torpedos have a hard time to keep up following you in the vertical, this gives you a serious chance to avoid impact and gain distance.

MOSS tactics are good to fool ships or helos for a short time, and torpedos all the time if they happen to pick up the MOSS signal, so use these MOSS torpedos...

Good luck and hunting,

Tinman764 · 12-06-17, 06:06 AM

Welcome to SubSim!

One mistake I used to make that normally ended up with me eating torps from a surface contact was waiting too long for a perfect solution.

Recently I've been happy to shoot at targets with ~50% SOL as by then the bearing is usually good enough for your torp to find it. Set your activation distance to something reasonable and make sure you keep the wire - this is crucial as you wont know the distance to the target.

If you lose the wire then treat your torp as a threat and get away from it asap.

Doing this will normally let you get the first shots in before the destroyers are in range to reply. The only thing you need to worry about then are aircraft, but that's a different story...

12-05-17, 02:34 PM	#1
Nijntjepluis Nub Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Conn, n00bie! Hi all! So, this is my first post. Even before brewing tea; I must be mad. So, I saw The Mighty Jingles play Cold Waters. I used to love my Harpoon classic and Silent Hunter (back in the day when PC screens had less than 16 colours) so I figured I give it a go. Admission: I downloaded the game illegally. Yes, I know. Pirates are targets for a torp. I did that to test the game on my hardware and see if I did like it before actually buying it on Steam. Which I now have, so I deleted the other copy. There, I do think games devs these days should put more demos out there. Anyway, hello! I'm Belgian / Dutch / German / British, 41 years old, married to Barbara, two kids: Erik and Nova. I spend my time working, writing, tinkering with my '82 XT550, camping out and playing. LEGO Kerbal Space Program CMANO World of Tanks / Warships OpenTTD I've been playing Cold Waters for a couple of days now, but I've already shot a Tango at point-blank range, left the water like a dolphin on speed, killed a Foxtrot with his own torpedos and been sunk quite a lot. Especially in that 'stop the amphibs'-mission, with a Krivak hammering away with active sonar and passing out torps as if they were cookies. OK, I'll be back soon. Now watch a JiveTurkey vid, learn about torpede evasion. I need it.

12-05-17, 02:43 PM	#2
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12-05-17, 03:41 PM	#3
SiegDerMaus Edgerunner Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: United States Posts: 32 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	For torpedo evasion you almost have to be in an LA or Skipjack class. A Sturgeon or Permit will simply not have the speed for close range torpedo evasion. Now, that's not saying you can't evade torpedoes in a Sturgeon, you simply have to do it at longer range. Once you detect a launch, change course, depth, and speed, maybe launch a decoy. But if the torpedo acquires you in one of the slower boats, you're dead already. For an LA or Skipjack, all you have to do is run at flank and knuckle like crazy. These boats can do long range evasion too, but they actually have options if a fish acquires them. Once you get the torpedo in the water warning, set flank speed, drop a noisemaker when it gets close if you're still not quite moving fast enough. Run in a snaking course with hard back and forth turns to create knuckles behind you (Sturgeons and Permits can knuckle too, but can't move fast enough to do it reliably), now you might be able to force the fish to acquire an enemy or one of your decoys, or you might have to knuckle until the torpedo's out of running time.

12-06-17, 04:46 AM	#4
XenonSurf Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany, Italy Posts: 1,703 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 4	Welcome to subsim I find the torpedo evasions the most fun and challenging part in this game. I assume torpedos have a seeker angle of 180° to detect your sub, so you would have to make a 100° turn at full speed to get out of this cone. I suggest to use a sub with a max speed of 30 knots to start with so you get used to the tactics. Then, vertical evasion is important because torpedos have a hard time to keep up following you in the vertical, this gives you a serious chance to avoid impact and gain distance. MOSS tactics are good to fool ships or helos for a short time, and torpedos all the time if they happen to pick up the MOSS signal, so use these MOSS torpedos... Good luck and hunting,

12-06-17, 06:06 AM	#5
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 177 Uploads: 0	Welcome to SubSim! One mistake I used to make that normally ended up with me eating torps from a surface contact was waiting too long for a perfect solution. Recently I've been happy to shoot at targets with ~50% SOL as by then the bearing is usually good enough for your torp to find it. Set your activation distance to something reasonable and make sure you keep the wire - this is crucial as you wont know the distance to the target. If you lose the wire then treat your torp as a threat and get away from it asap. Doing this will normally let you get the first shots in before the destroyers are in range to reply. The only thing you need to worry about then are aircraft, but that's a different story...