[WIP] Playable PT-109 Elco MTB

[sqk7744]

* DISCLAIMER: For all you fine print readers out there, we thank you for reading this, and admire you're dilligence. Photos are Artist conception's of PT 109 MTB project. Actual unit may not even float or might differ completely. Speeds enhanced to show awesomeness. Professional driver, on a closed harbor, do not attempt. Base Model not available in Grey. Neon Pink or Turquoise schemes only, OnStar and XM/Sirus radio package shown, -not included.

July 14th, 2008

Beta released:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...9&postcount=89

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June 18, 2008

Greetings All,

Digital_Trucker and I are working on this unit, and thought it would be fun to try 44 knt attack runs using the TBT. Since this is our first swat at making a playable ship, and we know enough to be dangerous we would appreciate any advice and or assistance (rescue) on the subject.

So Far we have a cloned Porpoise-class called NSS_PT_109 working in the mission builder. Our plan of attack was to then clone/change the /sea/american/3D model of the US Elco 80, but we'll see how that goes.

We still need to figure out:
1. Adding the PT 3D model
2. Crew/camera locations ( or do we need to draw a Bridge/Deck in 3D? )
3. Firing torps and accutrate placement ( if the PT 3D model messes-up the existing Porpoise armaments.
4. Using 1 deck gun as a 40mm and adding 2 AA's as the twin 50's.
5. While we are at the seemingly impossible, let's invent a Segway scooter powered by Fusion too :rotfl:

Many thanks for your suggestions.

Cheers,
-sqk

[ReallyDedPoet]

Sounds good sqk, look forward to it. You may want to check out the one done in SH3 by Mikhayl, there might be some nice ideas there.


RDP

[Xantrokoles]

I do not recommend to clone a whole submarine file.
You should start with the stock NPT_BR.dat and co..

Important for not having a CTD is:
-having diveplanes(i.e. invisible ones)
-using a submarine controller in the *.sim file.
-randomizing the IDs of the Dat and then relinking with the files in the sim, zon, and bla bla files.

this is for having it working.
You should know Mikhayl's tutorial, cause I cant explain with my worse english.

Good Luck with the project!

[AVGWarhawk]

Very nice. Of all the ships being made playable...this is the one I want to play with.

[Fish40]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Very nice. Of all the ships being made playable...this is the one I want to play with.

I feel exactly the same way! Looking good guys! Good luck with the project

[Sailor Steve]

A note about "44-knot attack runs": in the Pacific at least, parts were hard to come by, and most boats were lucky to make 40 knots on the best of days. Also, they were very susceptible to weather and wave, and from what I remember of reading They Were Expendable and PT-109 the norm was closer to 30 knots most of the time. Hence the song:

Some Pee-Tees do seventy-five, and some do sixty-nine;
If we get ours to run at all we think we're doing fine!

[sqk7744]

Originally Posted by Xantrokoles

I do not recommend to clone a whole submarine file.
You should start with the stock NPT_BR.dat and co..

Important for not having a CTD is:
-having diveplanes(i.e. invisible ones)
-using a submarine controller in the *.sim file.
-randomizing the IDs of the Dat and then relinking with the files in the sim, zon, and bla bla files.

this is for having it working.
You should know Mikhayl's tutorial, cause I cant explain with my worse english.

Good Luck with the project!

Many thanks Xantrokoles

That will be a great start - we are clueless and fearless

[Charlielima]

Don't forget the PTGBs. http://www.ptboatworld.com/photos2.htm I know this is a higgins boat But some elco boats where fitted out with 2x 40 MM bofars and 50 cals as much as there was room for also. One PTGB per 2 or 3 PTs could give the squadron some punch. I'm wandering why They didn't bolt on a Quad 50 mount amidships. Since PT boats and Schnell Bootes operated as squadrons or gruppes, a mod for hunting with a task force, or squadron would be desirable. Since we have playable destroyers this should work for all sorts of folks. I think they had grey float coats in WW2. Good luck with this project. V/R CL

[sqk7744]

Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Sounds good sqk, look forward to it. You may want to check out the one done in SH3 by Mikhayl, there might be some nice ideas there.


RDP

Thanks RDP, good idea!

[woofiedog]

Any news on this great mod?

[Charlielima]

Ya whats the latest news? I am currently honning my MTB skippering skills on a Schnell Boote in SH3. Even if the Elco boat has 2 x 40 mike mike bofars guns, I will be very hesitant to get in a gunfight with the german boat. That single 37mm flak gun can really impair the intent and functionability of a laminated wood motor torpedo boat.
CL

[woofiedog]

Yes the S-Boat does have a advantage over the plywood Elco & Higgins boats... but sometimes it's the skipper at the helm that counts the most. LoL

[Hylander_1314]

Actually there wasn't a whole lot of plywood. The outer hull had mahoganey planks that went up at a 45 degree angle, then a layer of waterproffing glue and fine aircraft linen, and on top of that another layer of mahoganey planking again placed at 45 degrees perpendicular to the inner layer.

This is a good video in 3 oarts about PT Boat construction, which shows they didn't have "planked" and caulked decks. A good film, and it's in color!

[Sailor Steve]

Great videos! They left a few things out though. At one point it mentions the British wanting the boats as well, when in fact the Royal Navy invented the Motor Torpedo Boat, and had their own in production at the time. When playing German in the Atlantic the MTBs met should mostly be the 73-foot Vosper. Also, the ELCO boats were based on a powerboat design by an Englishman, Hubert Scott-Payne.
http://www.steelnavy.com/GMSElco77.htm

I think there's some confusion on the hulls. Yes, the frame was mahogany planking, and the hulls were mahogany shaved into veneer, then glued together to make a heavy sheet, but isn't that what plywood is?

[Charlielima]

Originally Posted by woofiedog

Yes the S-Boat does have a advantage over the plywood Elco & Higgins boats... but sometimes it's the skipper at the helm that counts the most. LoL

Bitchin' pic Woofie.
A PT chasing me with the 40 mike mike on the bow, and the 2 twin 50 cals Barking would quite likely " End my patrol"
CL