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Old 11-26-15, 04:00 AM   #16
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I went on board the USS Constellation back in 1982 on a visit to the US Baltimore Harbour, as I recall)




I posted this pic before of the replica Endeavour on The Haven, leaving Boston to sail out into The Wash here in East Anglia.
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Old 11-26-15, 04:42 AM   #17
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Our Navy school ship:



N.R.P Sagres

Another training ship:


N.T.M Creoula, 4 masted schooner (?, uncertain of the translation) from our cod fishing times.

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Old 11-26-15, 10:11 AM   #18
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Actually there is a difference in terminology between the rig and the hull, especially when dealing in naval designations.

A sloop rig has a single mast.

If it has two masts and they're fore-and-aft rigged, then it's a schooner. If both masts are square rigged then it's a brig. If the foremast is square rigged and the after mast is fore-and-aft, then it's a brigantine.

On the other hand a brig hull has the guns along the weather deck but also has raised fore and after castles. A sloop has all the guns on the weather deck and no raised decks. The vessel pictured would be described in an 18th century navy as a brig-rigged sloop. And yes, it's a sloop-of-war.
See, that is where things get really confussing to someone with little knowladge of sailing ships, like how with sloops theres the sloop, the Bermuda sloop, the Jamaican sloop and the Sloop of War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloop

@Rhodes I googled the name of the four masted sailing ship that's in the third picture you posted and that ship isn't a schooner but a lugger and it's also used these days as training ship in the Portaguese Navy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAM_Creoula
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Old 11-26-15, 10:39 AM   #19
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@Rhodes I googled the name of the four masted sailing ship that's in the third picture you posted and that ship isn't a schooner but a lugger and it's also used these days as training ship in the Portaguese Navy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAM_Creoula
Damn google translation! Yes, our term is lugre = lugger. But the site give me 4 masted schooner.
In my sig, I have photos of her sister ship, S. Maria Manuela!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/164166...57637665649856
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Damn google translation! Yes, our term is lugre = lugger. But the site give me 4 masted schooner.
Doesn't matter. We all make mistakes (we're only human) and websites do too
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Old 11-26-15, 11:41 AM   #21
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Human. Except for you. Your a squirrel
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Enough Schooners already! now we come to ...Ketches! where the shorter mast is to the rearTHis one actually motors past me and shoots real cannon. The Hawaiian Chieftain off Suausalito CA (just so ya'll can "learn the ropes" (Hey those are 'lines' there's no ropes on a sailing ship or so I'm reminded often)
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This is a picture of the ship my wife and I were on for our honeymoon. SV Mandalay from Windjammer cruises.



I forget the exact dimensions. I do remember most cruise ships are wider than this one is long.
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You guys have got some beautiful ships!
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Learning the ropes is really something special..
Nice thread

I claim to have known it almost all some ten years ago, but lack of practice and too much work blew some of it out of my head
Also, german and english definitions are sometimes a bit confusing (Bullen, Bulin etc.), also dutch with its Haanepooten..

The Corvette defnition imho is a ship with a straight-through deck without forecastle or quarterdeck, and regardless of rigging. But it could also be a Brigantine, since pirates used to saw off any fore or rear decks, for better accessability.
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Nice thread
It's a great thread. My favorite
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Enough Schooners already! now we come to ...Ketches!
The Hawaiin chieftain is a beautiful ship. Her lines are gorgeous, but I still prefer the Niagara and the Pride of Baltimore 2.

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I went on board the USS Constellation back in 1982 on a visit to the US Baltimore Harbour, as I recall)




I posted this pic before of the replica Endeavour on The Haven, leaving Boston to sail out into The Wash here in East Anglia.
Another great ship. The replicas are the most detailed, and IMO, the best. Just me though

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Old 11-28-15, 12:57 PM   #29
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I kinda lean towards AK's mindset here. While the grand square rigs of yore are majestic, they're slow and clunky. The "modern" sailing yacht is the way to go:

The J boat: (from the 1920's, but in the grand scheme of things, modern):




VOR 65 One design, for the volvo ocean race. Races around the globe, these boats were so perfectly matched that even after circling the globe, the winning margin was only a few minutes:



Then there's the AC72, the first big (and probably the last for a while) foiling racing cat, used in the last America's cup, which was a witness to the greatest comeback ever in sport. These things would do 50mph+, barely touching the water, with a "sail" the size of a 737 wing:



But then there's the tiny, the Moth class. Reportedly one of the hardest boats (small enough it doesn't qualify as a ship anymore) to handle. Pictures don't do these justice, look some up on youtube:



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Old 11-28-15, 01:03 PM   #30
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Then there's this hideous thing, the White Pearl. Reportedly to be the largest sailing vessel ever:



Just recently launched, it's still under going sea trials, so I'm having difficulty finding pictures of it under sail, but it's still hideous.

But if the owner would happen to gift me one, I'd hardly say no.
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