Suggested Mod Combinations for SH3

scrapser · 01-20-09, 06:23 PM

Okay...I know this question has been asked in many different ways before but perhaps not this way. I just finished building a new computer and will be installing SH3 (and SH4) from scratch. I have been out of the loop on much that's happened for the past year or so and I know that's my problem...not yours.

But here is my idea. There are so many mods out there and I'm certain users are setting them up in different configurations. So I thought why not have a place for people who have these variations to list them here as something others could use as a guide of sorts.

This should help naturally sort out which mods work best together and also give us some choices in what mods accomplish in terms of realism, enhancement, mod fixes, graphics, sound, etc. Each suggestion could be prefaced with a short summary of what it does, how much realism gets turned on (or off), what hardware it works best with, and any other pertinent details that may apply.

I will post this in the SH4 Mods section as well.

So how about it? If it works, perhaps it could earn the distinction of "Sticky"!

urfisch · 01-21-09, 04:21 AM

its a decision of what you want and what you like. i am in the same situation, as i do not played sh3 for almost a year now. my tip is:

- download jonesofts mod enabler
- look through the stickies here
- download a supermod of your choice (my favorites are WAC 3.0 or GWX 2.1)
- add some candy mods, which enhance the supermod (like exhaust mod, water streams, rbs sh4 effects, etc.)
- see how you like the game and do some fine tuning (add and delete mods via jsgme)

hope it helps.

StarLion45 · 01-21-09, 07:55 AM

Ahoy

- download a supermod of your choice (my favorites are WAC 3.0 or GWX 2.1)

You mean GWX3.0. Gold . Don't you :hmm:

urfisch · 01-21-09, 08:07 AM

nope, i dont.

simply cause there are too many complications in adding mods to this version. so i prefer 2.1... and 3.0 is far from perfect. that is why i want to have the chance in adding mods of my choice!

scrapser · 01-21-09, 10:25 AM

Well, SH4 is easier as the supermods seem to be rolled up with a lot of the smaller mods out of necessity but with SH3 we have many, many choices both large and small.

The point of my thread was to (hopefully) get feedback from people who play the sim frequently and essentially have a nice stable setup. Each "setup" reported would (also hopefully) be unique enough that in time we would have a spectrum of different arrangements so someone starting out fresh could choose.

The spectrum would go from a setup that's pretty much just a game all the way up to uber realism. This seems like it would be useful and with all the people here I would think it not too difficult to get a list going.

badwolf · 01-21-09, 01:59 PM

Hi scrapser
Your hearts in the right place in regards helping others.
First I'll say the obvious.
1. Major Mods - Have plenty of documentation and help - Usually first mod so no conflictions.
2. Other Mods (single) - Usually made for above - Rarely have conflictions when only one installed.
3. Other Mods (Multiple) - If your JSGME reports no conflictions - You should be O.K.
4. Other Mods (Multiple) - If your JSGME reports conflictions - Complications due to shared files - Merging these files is often successful (some mods already have some) - Installing these conflicting mods in certain orders (without merging files) is asking for trouble (CTD's). Even though they seem to work, you overwrite earlier mods and lose some of their benefits.
5. Creating a list for the above is a huge task - number of possible combinations - There would have to be a list (downloadable) of all the modified files.

The only positive way to add loads of mods is to learn How-to-Mod. Takes time and a lot of work, but well worth it.

I was going to try and help by doing a tutorial from basic to advanced (not expert) modding, but it had a poor response.

Cheers badwolf.

NAZ2222 · 01-21-09, 02:16 PM

badwolf · 01-21-09, 03:28 PM

Quote:

And install in the order posted and read each mod read me for more information on possible conflicts!!

Hi NAZ2222
I'm not trying to upset you, but the above the order posted should be irrelevent.
Here's why:

Lets say we have a file - We'll use File A as an example - inside is 3 bits of data (a,c,e) - Giving File A(a,c,e)

Example_1 - Before/After installation - We have 3 mods no conflictions.

Mod 1 = file A(a,c,e) - file D(a,c,e) - file G(a,c,e)
Mod 2 = file B(a,c,e) - file E(a,c,e) - file H(a,c,e)
Mod 3 = file C(a,c,e) - file F(a,c,e) - file I(a,c,e)

Doesn't matter what order they are installed - no files are the same - no conflicts.

Example_2 - Before installation - We have 3 mods with conflictions.

Mod 1 = file A(b,c,e) - file D(a,c,e) - file G(a,c,e)
Mod 2 = file A(a,d,e) - file E(a,c,e) - file H(a,c,e)
Mod 3 = file A(a,c,f) - file F(a,c,e) - file I(a,c,e)

The file A is used by all the mods and so a confliction. Which ever mod is last installed will be the file A used. So if we install in same order we really actually get.

Example_2 - After installation.

Mod 1 = file A(a,c,f) - file D(a,c,e) - file G(a,c,e)
Mod 2 = file A(a,c,f) - file E(a,c,e) - file H(a,c,e)
Mod 3 = file A(a,c,f) - file F(a,c,e) - file I(a,c,e)

As Mod 3 was installed last, all the mods use file A(a,c,f) - This is not the same as Example_2 - Before installation as Mod 1 & Mod 2 have altered on installation. You can change the order but it only will change which file A the mods use.
This might not cause problems and you might not see a difference, but as you can see the mods will be changed.

NAZ2222 · 01-21-09, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badwolf

Quote:

And install in the order posted and read each mod read me for more information on possible conflicts!!

Hi NAZ2222
I'm not trying to upset you, but the above the order posted should be irrelevent.
Here's why:

Lets say we have a file - We'll use File A as an example - inside is 3 bits of data (a,c,e) - Giving File A(a,c,e)

Example_1 - Before/After installation - We have 3 mods no conflictions.

Mod 1 = file A(a,c,e) - file D(a,c,e) - file G(a,c,e)
Mod 2 = file B(a,c,e) - file E(a,c,e) - file H(a,c,e)
Mod 3 = file C(a,c,e) - file F(a,c,e) - file I(a,c,e)

Doesn't matter what order they are installed - no files are the same - no conflicts.

Example_2 - Before installation - We have 3 mods with conflictions.

Mod 1 = file A(b,c,e) - file D(a,c,e) - file G(a,c,e)
Mod 2 = file A(a,d,e) - file E(a,c,e) - file H(a,c,e)
Mod 3 = file A(a,c,f) - file F(a,c,e) - file I(a,c,e)

The file A is used by all the mods and so a confliction. Which ever mod is last installed will be the file A used. So if we install in same order we really actually get.

Example_2 - After installation.

Mod 1 = file A(a,c,f) - file D(a,c,e) - file G(a,c,e)
Mod 2 = file A(a,c,f) - file E(a,c,e) - file H(a,c,e)
Mod 3 = file A(a,c,f) - file F(a,c,e) - file I(a,c,e)

As Mod 3 was installed last, all the mods use file A(a,c,f) - This is not the same as Example_2 - Before installation as Mod 1 & Mod 2 have altered on installation. You can change the order but it only will change which file A the mods use.
This might not cause problems and you might not see a difference, but as you can see the mods will be changed.

It has to be in this order, because there are 3 mod's that share files,
1-OLC 2.4.3 must be put on top of water stream! it's in the readme
2-azanovic sh4 effects must be the last of it all, and must be put on top lifeboats(with compatibilitie fix that comes in extra)

So yea only 3 of this modes really account for the order, but I thinks it's easier this way! If I dont put those mods in that order my game crashes when loading

Maybe it's just a bug im my configuration

Weiss Pinguin · 01-21-09, 04:43 PM

Yes, there are some mods that have to be installed in order. Like the GWX Late-war sensors and the LRT sensors patch which is installed over it, for example.

badwolf · 01-21-09, 08:07 PM

Thankyou for the feedbacks,

1. Following the readme of modders is very important, especially when making it compatable with another mod.
2. There are some mods that have to be installed at certain conditions i.e. The late War Sensors.

I have had quite a few mods in my installation and a lot were uncompatible. But the set-up I have, enables any order of installation and no CTD's. No reporting of overwriting files by JSGME which makes it easier to add new mods (very important for tracing conflictions).
Note: This does not include mods like "Bearded faces" which is installed late in each patrol or The late War Sensors (Both use bigboywooly's idea of folder mod/mod to stop accidental install). Mods that had to be installed at a certain year or time was done via SH3Commander i.e. Clothing - random attire in winter or summer etc/music/news/pinups/propaganda.

If you constantly change mods per game for variety, then its difficult to have a stable set-up.
A lot of problems are due to having duplicate files with various modifications in the Sh3 mod folder. Rememember - last file installed overwrites others.
I have another JSGME set-up in a Dummy SH3 folder containing blank folders. Here is were I first install my mods or updates. I can merge the various conflicting mods and do any work patching etc to get them to work together properly. I have full control of what file is used and delete the unwanted without fear of mucking up my installation . When I port them over to the SH3 Mods folder there's no duplicate files, therefore no conflictions, so you can install in any order. I could even merge them as one big mod. I have joined many uncompatable mods using this system.

Hope the above gives help and ideas for your own set-up.

GWX 2.1 (pre GWX 3.0) * SH3Commander * Sh3Gen
GWX: Additional included mods various
SHIPS: AOTD_AA Ship_Schleuse_Bugfix * Community units * Arrow Tanker v1.2 * Q Ship
GUI: OLC GUI 126 * U-Boat 1.2 Officer Icons * Flaggen (modified)
EFFECTS: OLCE2 * OLC Sun_Fix * LRT v2.02 (modded) * Longer Wakes v1.0 (modded all ships) * Undersea * RB Sub Exhaust * LifeBoats & Debris v3B * Torpedo damage Final v2.0 * Water Stream for Uboats
CREW: Fubars crew skins4 * Various clothes for Winter/Summer * Bearded faces (end of patrol)
EXTRAS: Music (huge file installed by date) * News * Propaganda * Pinups
HOMEMADE: Crew fatigue at all TC's (Made for LRT) * Misc tweaks and mods

GAMEPLAY: 100% difficulty * DID

p.s. If you want to see the duplicate files do the following:

Enable all Mods
Go to your mods folder
At top of screen select: Tools
Then: Folder Options....
Then: View
Then: O Show hidden files and folders

In your mods folder you can now see a file called !BACKUP

A good place to start is in !BACKUP/data/Menu/menu_1024_768.ini.Name of mod
See how many copies of menu_1024_768.ini.Name of mod you have

Don't alter anything in here its vital for JSGME

Now if you want to change your menu_1024_768.ini make sure its the correct one. You'd be suprised at the number of people get it wrong. This applies to other duplicate files like Basic.cfg.

I don't have any duplicates in my installation when possible (99% of the time), but I stick to my favourite mods which enables me to do it.

Steve Gad · 04-02-17, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NAZ2222

I realise I'm ten years late with this, but thank you or putting me onto Phillip Thomsen sound Pack. I too value sound very highly or immersion and I'd driven myself half mad getting and mixing different sounds.

Ps. Yes, I'm STILL out there. lol

01-20-09, 06:23 PM	#1
scrapser Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 530 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Suggested Mod Combinations for SH3 Okay...I know this question has been asked in many different ways before but perhaps not this way. I just finished building a new computer and will be installing SH3 (and SH4) from scratch. I have been out of the loop on much that's happened for the past year or so and I know that's my problem...not yours. But here is my idea. There are so many mods out there and I'm certain users are setting them up in different configurations. So I thought why not have a place for people who have these variations to list them here as something others could use as a guide of sorts. This should help naturally sort out which mods work best together and also give us some choices in what mods accomplish in terms of realism, enhancement, mod fixes, graphics, sound, etc. Each suggestion could be prefaced with a short summary of what it does, how much realism gets turned on (or off), what hardware it works best with, and any other pertinent details that may apply. I will post this in the SH4 Mods section as well. So how about it? If it works, perhaps it could earn the distinction of "Sticky"! __________________ Gaming Computer Specs: CM Stacker 930 DFI LP UT X58-T3eH8 i7 920 CPU TR 120 Extreme HS (lapped) 6 GB OCZ Platinum 1600 (8x175 = 1400) BFG GTX 295 Silverstone DA1000W PSU Sony GDM-FW900 24" Wide Screen CRT WinXP Pro 32-bit

01-21-09, 04:21 AM	#2
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	its a decision of what you want and what you like. i am in the same situation, as i do not played sh3 for almost a year now. my tip is: - download jonesofts mod enabler - look through the stickies here - download a supermod of your choice (my favorites are WAC 3.0 or GWX 2.1) - add some candy mods, which enhance the supermod (like exhaust mod, water streams, rbs sh4 effects, etc.) - see how you like the game and do some fine tuning (add and delete mods via jsgme) hope it helps. __________________

01-21-09, 07:55 AM	#3
StarLion45 Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stavanger,Norway Posts: 895 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Hi there Urfisch Ahoy - download a supermod of your choice (my favorites are WAC 3.0 or GWX 2.1) You mean GWX3.0. Gold . Don't you :hmm: __________________ GWX 3.0 . GOLD . SH3 CMDR 3.2 JSGME

01-21-09, 08:07 AM	#4
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	nope, i dont. simply cause there are too many complications in adding mods to this version. so i prefer 2.1... and 3.0 is far from perfect. that is why i want to have the chance in adding mods of my choice! __________________

01-21-09, 10:25 AM	#5
scrapser Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 530 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Well, SH4 is easier as the supermods seem to be rolled up with a lot of the smaller mods out of necessity but with SH3 we have many, many choices both large and small. The point of my thread was to (hopefully) get feedback from people who play the sim frequently and essentially have a nice stable setup. Each "setup" reported would (also hopefully) be unique enough that in time we would have a spectrum of different arrangements so someone starting out fresh could choose. The spectrum would go from a setup that's pretty much just a game all the way up to uber realism. This seems like it would be useful and with all the people here I would think it not too difficult to get a list going. __________________ Gaming Computer Specs: CM Stacker 930 DFI LP UT X58-T3eH8 i7 920 CPU TR 120 Extreme HS (lapped) 6 GB OCZ Platinum 1600 (8x175 = 1400) BFG GTX 295 Silverstone DA1000W PSU Sony GDM-FW900 24" Wide Screen CRT WinXP Pro 32-bit

01-21-09, 01:59 PM	#6
badwolf XO Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 427 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	Hi scrapser Your hearts in the right place in regards helping others. First I'll say the obvious. 1. Major Mods - Have plenty of documentation and help - Usually first mod so no conflictions. 2. Other Mods (single) - Usually made for above - Rarely have conflictions when only one installed. 3. Other Mods (Multiple) - If your JSGME reports no conflictions - You should be O.K. 4. Other Mods (Multiple) - If your JSGME reports conflictions - Complications due to shared files - Merging these files is often successful (some mods already have some) - Installing these conflicting mods in certain orders (without merging files) is asking for trouble (CTD's). Even though they seem to work, you overwrite earlier mods and lose some of their benefits. 5. Creating a list for the above is a huge task - number of possible combinations - There would have to be a list (downloadable) of all the modified files. The only positive way to add loads of mods is to learn How-to-Mod. Takes time and a lot of work, but well worth it. I was going to try and help by doing a tutorial from basic to advanced (not expert) modding, but it had a poor response. Cheers badwolf. Last edited by badwolf; 01-21-09 at 02:27 PM.

01-21-09, 02:16 PM	#7
NAZ2222 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 35 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Mod selection Well I use this ones: -final torpedo damage (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=105298) -open hatch (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=104514) -Phillip Thomsen sound Pack 3.2 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134491) -water stream(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=133541) -OLC 2.4.3 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134186 (brilliant by the way:p ) -life boats (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134988) -SH4 effects for sh3 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=134988) all with GWX 2.1 and it´s posterior fixes, and activated by JSGME(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show....php?t=141773)!! And install in the order posted and read each mod read me for more information on possible conflicts!! It looks great I also run SH3 throuh SH3 comander(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=135380) I guess it´s a start

01-21-09, 04:43 PM	#10
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	Yes, there are some mods that have to be installed in order. Like the GWX Late-war sensors and the LRT sensors patch which is installed over it, for example. __________________

01-21-09, 08:07 PM	#11
badwolf XO Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 427 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	Thankyou for the feedbacks, 1. Following the readme of modders is very important, especially when making it compatable with another mod. 2. There are some mods that have to be installed at certain conditions i.e. The late War Sensors. I have had quite a few mods in my installation and a lot were uncompatible. But the set-up I have, enables any order of installation and no CTD's. No reporting of overwriting files by JSGME which makes it easier to add new mods (very important for tracing conflictions). Note: This does not include mods like "Bearded faces" which is installed late in each patrol or The late War Sensors (Both use bigboywooly's idea of folder mod/mod to stop accidental install). Mods that had to be installed at a certain year or time was done via SH3Commander i.e. Clothing - random attire in winter or summer etc/music/news/pinups/propaganda. If you constantly change mods per game for variety, then its difficult to have a stable set-up. A lot of problems are due to having duplicate files with various modifications in the Sh3 mod folder. Rememember - last file installed overwrites others. I have another JSGME set-up in a Dummy SH3 folder containing blank folders. Here is were I first install my mods or updates. I can merge the various conflicting mods and do any work patching etc to get them to work together properly. I have full control of what file is used and delete the unwanted without fear of mucking up my installation . When I port them over to the SH3 Mods folder there's no duplicate files, therefore no conflictions, so you can install in any order. I could even merge them as one big mod. I have joined many uncompatable mods using this system. Hope the above gives help and ideas for your own set-up. GWX 2.1 (pre GWX 3.0) * SH3Commander * Sh3Gen GWX: Additional included mods various SHIPS: AOTD_AA Ship_Schleuse_Bugfix * Community units * Arrow Tanker v1.2 * Q Ship GUI: OLC GUI 126 * U-Boat 1.2 Officer Icons * Flaggen (modified) EFFECTS: OLCE2 * OLC Sun_Fix * LRT v2.02 (modded) * Longer Wakes v1.0 (modded all ships) * Undersea * RB Sub Exhaust * LifeBoats & Debris v3B * Torpedo damage Final v2.0 * Water Stream for Uboats CREW: Fubars crew skins4 * Various clothes for Winter/Summer * Bearded faces (end of patrol) EXTRAS: Music (huge file installed by date) * News * Propaganda * Pinups HOMEMADE: Crew fatigue at all TC's (Made for LRT) * Misc tweaks and mods GAMEPLAY: 100% difficulty * DID p.s. If you want to see the duplicate files do the following: Enable all Mods Go to your mods folder At top of screen select: Tools Then: Folder Options.... Then: View Then: O Show hidden files and folders In your mods folder you can now see a file called !BACKUP A good place to start is in !BACKUP/data/Menu/menu_1024_768.ini.Name of mod See how many copies of menu_1024_768.ini.Name of mod you have Don't alter anything in here its vital for JSGME Now if you want to change your menu_1024_768.ini make sure its the correct one. You'd be suprised at the number of people get it wrong. This applies to other duplicate files like Basic.cfg. I don't have any duplicates in my installation when possible (99% of the time), but I stick to my favourite mods which enables me to do it. Last edited by badwolf; 01-21-09 at 10:52 PM.