[REL] Improved Ship Physics - Page 2

Fish40 · 08-12-14, 04:43 AM

So to be clear, it's good to go with RFB 2.0 campaign?

avers · 08-12-14, 06:21 PM

so is this mod ment to add in realistic dive times for subs or just realistic diving physics? I feel like that the s boats dive a little to fast for realisim.

TorpX · 08-14-14, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish40

So to be clear, it's good to go with RFB 2.0 campaign?

If you are asking if ISP v1.1 is compatible with RFB 2.0, the answer is yes. I intend to release new version soon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by avers

so is this mod ment to add in realistic dive times for subs or just realistic diving physics? I feel like that the s boats dive a little to fast for realisim.

The mod is intended to give realistic physics overall. It is very hard to get arbitrary dive times and have everything else good. I used quoted dive times as a guide, but consider that they are not the final word. Details about the circumstances and methods are lacking, and it is unlikely that procedures used before the war, were still used during the war.

It isn't just about diving, but also turning, acceleration, speed, sea-keeping, and range.

In any case, I have been reworking the diving behavior of the subs for the next version. It is the most complicated aspect of the subs' physics, and there are problems within the game that make an ideal solution impossible.

ceutermark · 08-14-14, 11:17 AM

would the mod work with surface ship mods

TorpX · 08-14-14, 10:22 PM

ISP should work with most ship mods. Playable ships are another matter, as they are actually 'submarines' in the game. You should pay attention to what JSGME says when you enable mods. It will warn you when files are overwritten and this will help you understand what is changed.

ISP v1.1 doesn't change anything about the surface ships; only the subs. It also changes some the crew roster and special abilities elements.

TorpX · 09-19-14, 08:46 PM

I have released v 2.0.

There is a link in the 2nd post.

dom111 · 09-20-14, 10:00 AM

Great news!!!

But I've one question: this mod is intended to work only with RFB + RSRDC, right? Is there any TMO + RSRDC version in the works???

Best regards.

TorpX · 09-20-14, 03:27 PM

You are correct.

The sticking point is the crew roster/abilities. TMO and RFB are very different, and the mod will not work with TMO.

I intend to come out with a TMO-friendly version, but not right away. I consider it prudent to wait awhile and get some feedback on it, before any further versions, so I only would have to fix the one version.

I forget to add, there is a detailed readme, and the suggested mod order explained.

dom111 · 09-22-14, 02:09 AM

Ok, thank you TorpX, I'll wait for your TMO friendly version to start a new campaign

fitzcarraldo · 09-28-14, 09:31 PM

Dear Torpx: I ' m trying ISP v2 in my RFB installation. I use ISE for RFB with ISE realistic colours. Your scene.dat alters my ISE environment and I have wrong reflections and a not so pretty blue sea. Question: scene.dat is undeletable in ISP or I could eliminate it? I tried this and I could see in the crew management the special super sailors are missed. Is there some way to use your mod without the scene.dat or could you tell us how to tweak it for ISE environment? There are many RFB users with ISE installed.

Many thanks and all the best.

Fitzcarraldo

TorpX · 09-28-14, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by fitzcarraldo

Question: scene.dat is undeletable in ISP or I could eliminate it?

Yes, you can delete it, but you will loose the stormy seas and sea-keeping effects. I don't know why any of this would change the special abilities crewmen, though.

I am not familiar with ISE, is it in the downloads section?

fitzcarraldo · 09-29-14, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorpX

Yes, you can delete it, but you will loose the stormy seas and sea-keeping effects. I don't know why any of this would change the special abilities crewmen, though.

I am not familiar with ISE, is it in the downloads section?

Yes Torpx. It is in the download section:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=3589

Many thanks for the answer. I continue to do test with your mod.

ISE is - for me and for others - a best optional environment for RFB and TMO. Not so blue seas, better clouds and realistic colours.

All the best.

Fitzcarraldo

Gothrond · 02-13-15, 09:34 AM

Looks good. Real sailing feel, I hope. I'll try it

treblesum81 · 06-10-15, 02:42 PM

Not sure if anyone is paying attention to this anymore, but I've got an issue with the Sargo in conjunction with this mod. When operating at 2/3, I'm getting 13kts with a range of ~7000nm, at standard, I'm getting 16kts and ~5000nm rand, and then pushing it to flank only gets me to 17kts at a range of ~3000nm. I'm not ruling out the possibility that I'm doing something wrong here, but having such a small difference in speed between standard and flank at such a large cost in fuel seems odd. Is this an issue, or did I miss something important in the documentation?

TorpX · 06-10-15, 10:30 PM

To get your maximum speed you have to have a high efficiency level in your engine rooms; usually this means going to GQ.

See what you get at 'battle stations'.

08-14-14, 11:17 AM	#19
ceutermark Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 8 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	ship physics would the mod work with surface ship mods

08-14-14, 10:22 PM	#20
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	ISP should work with most ship mods. Playable ships are another matter, as they are actually 'submarines' in the game. You should pay attention to what JSGME says when you enable mods. It will warn you when files are overwritten and this will help you understand what is changed. ISP v1.1 doesn't change anything about the surface ships; only the subs. It also changes some the crew roster and special abilities elements.

09-19-14, 08:46 PM	#21
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I have released v 2.0. There is a link in the 2nd post.

09-20-14, 03:27 PM	#23
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	You are correct. The sticking point is the crew roster/abilities. TMO and RFB are very different, and the mod will not work with TMO. I intend to come out with a TMO-friendly version, but not right away. I consider it prudent to wait awhile and get some feedback on it, before any further versions, so I only would have to fix the one version. I forget to add, there is a detailed readme, and the suggested mod order explained.

09-28-14, 09:31 PM	#25
fitzcarraldo Argentinian Skipper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Somewhere between Buenos Aires and the Bungo Suido Posts: 5,125 Downloads: 3215 Uploads: 0	Dear Torpx: I ' m trying ISP v2 in my RFB installation. I use ISE for RFB with ISE realistic colours. Your scene.dat alters my ISE environment and I have wrong reflections and a not so pretty blue sea. Question: scene.dat is undeletable in ISP or I could eliminate it? I tried this and I could see in the crew management the special super sailors are missed. Is there some way to use your mod without the scene.dat or could you tell us how to tweak it for ISE environment? There are many RFB users with ISE installed. Many thanks and all the best. Fitzcarraldo __________________ *My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity - Wilfred Owen.*

08-12-14, 04:43 AM	#16
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	So to be clear, it's good to go with RFB 2.0 campaign?

08-12-14, 06:21 PM	#17
avers Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: South Carolina, United States of America Posts: 672 Downloads: 586 Uploads: 0	so is this mod ment to add in realistic dive times for subs or just realistic diving physics? I feel like that the s boats dive a little to fast for realisim.

09-20-14, 10:00 AM	#22
dom111 Seaman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Polop, Alicante (Spain) Posts: 36 Downloads: 195 Uploads: 0	Great news!!! But I've one question: this mod is intended to work only with RFB + RSRDC, right? Is there any TMO + RSRDC version in the works??? Best regards.

09-22-14, 02:09 AM	#24
dom111 Seaman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Polop, Alicante (Spain) Posts: 36 Downloads: 195 Uploads: 0	Ok, thank you TorpX, I'll wait for your TMO friendly version to start a new campaign

02-13-15, 09:34 AM	#28
Gothrond Nub Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 3 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Looks good. Real sailing feel, I hope. I'll try it __________________ Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Benjamin Franklin Protect your right to keep and bear arms! Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war. Winston Churchill after Allied betrayal of the Czechoslovakia

06-10-15, 02:42 PM	#29
treblesum81 Frogman Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 308 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 0	Not sure if anyone is paying attention to this anymore, but I've got an issue with the Sargo in conjunction with this mod. When operating at 2/3, I'm getting 13kts with a range of ~7000nm, at standard, I'm getting 16kts and ~5000nm rand, and then pushing it to flank only gets me to 17kts at a range of ~3000nm. I'm not ruling out the possibility that I'm doing something wrong here, but having such a small difference in speed between standard and flank at such a large cost in fuel seems odd. Is this an issue, or did I miss something important in the documentation?

06-10-15, 10:30 PM	#30
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	To get your maximum speed you have to have a high efficiency level in your engine rooms; usually this means going to GQ. See what you get at 'battle stations'.