Dogfighting tips

Schwieger · 09-02-10, 09:50 PM

hey guys, I'm looking for tips on dogfighting. Specifically if I'm in a Ki-84 how I should engage a Spitfire. Many thanks.

TarJak · 09-03-10, 12:44 AM

Get out of the Ki84 and into a Spitfire, get behind him line him up in your sights and shoot.

Seriously if you are a complete noob to dogfighting, start here:http://combat-asylum.com/uploads/dow...ogfighting.pdf

Then read this: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...3/m/9121094645

Then this:http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...29#Post2163129

And if you want to get serious about increasing your flying and dogfighting skills sign up here for a course: http://www.joint-ops.com/php2/index....=98&Itemid=121

nikimcbee · 09-03-10, 01:13 AM

Good post Tarjak, very interesting.

Oberon · 09-03-10, 07:54 AM

One little bit of advice:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicta_Boelcke

Written in WW1 but still accurate for WW2, in particular number three...that's the one I always slip up on.

Also worth reading, linked from that article are rules by Malan and Mannock.
However, Tarjaks excellent links are the best for IL2 particulars

.

Raptor1 · 09-03-10, 07:58 AM

And #8 is the one which the AI screws up on...

Dowly · 09-03-10, 08:00 AM

Ki-84 handles well in low speeds so you could try maneuvering so your speeds gets low enough so the Spit have to give up the chase or risk overshooting you in which case a quick move back to his arse might give you some free hits.

TarJak · 09-03-10, 08:37 AM

True but if the Spit pilot has his wits about him he'll use his speed to climbe away and then zoom and boom you so, it will be a tough fight. Depending on the mark of spit it is of course.

Weiss Pinguin · 09-03-10, 09:34 AM

Time compression 1/4 = Acemaker

But seriously. I can't say I have much experience with the Ki-84, or most of the other dogfighters for that matter, (I like to go fast) but I imagine you'd use the same general turn n' burn tactics - drag them down into a fight with you and keep maneuvering until you're in a decent position.

Dowly · 09-03-10, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

True but if the Spit pilot has his wits about him he'll use his speed to climbe away and then zoom and boom you so, it will be a tough fight. Depending on the mark of spit it is of course.

In that case, let's hope the "if" is in favor of Schwieger.

TarJak · 09-03-10, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dowly

In that case, let's hope the "if" is in favor of Schwieger.

No worries if its an AI then

Schwieger · 09-03-10, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

No worries if its an AI then

No, not an AI

I refer to human pilots

Highbury · 09-03-10, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schwieger

No, not an AI

I refer to human pilots

In that case I find Dowly's advice works fine. Humans get impatient, AI doesn't. When PF came out I would always fly the Hurricane online. And the rest of the world (it seemed) flew FW-190s. I would stay low and slow, by the 3rd or 4th time they tried to BnZ me they would usually get frustrated and try to turn with me. Then they would die.

yubba · 09-05-10, 06:09 PM

This will be the first time I' d agree with Dowly on anything, yet zoom and boom is pretty much the way to go especially with early allied aircraft. Just finished a mcf 2 Flying Tigers campaign with a p 40B you don't get low and slow with a Zero, in that brick, speed is life, it also helps to be a good shot. Question is there a decent Battle of Britian download out there, like to fly the Spitfire when I can.

09-02-10, 09:50 PM	#1
Schwieger Commodore Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: U-142 Posts: 624 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Dogfighting tips hey guys, I'm looking for tips on dogfighting. Specifically if I'm in a Ki-84 how I should engage a Spitfire. Many thanks. __________________ Support U-Boot_HAHD: Install Dropbox Click Here & Increase The Teams Dropbox space and get 2.25GB of free online Storage space for yourself.

09-03-10, 12:44 AM	#2
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Get out of the Ki84 and into a Spitfire, get behind him line him up in your sights and shoot. Seriously if you are a complete noob to dogfighting, start here:http://combat-asylum.com/uploads/dow...ogfighting.pdf Then read this: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...3/m/9121094645 Then this:http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...29#Post2163129 And if you want to get serious about increasing your flying and dogfighting skills sign up here for a course: http://www.joint-ops.com/php2/index....=98&Itemid=121 Last edited by TarJak; 09-03-10 at 01:04 AM.

09-03-10, 01:13 AM	#3
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,924 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Good post Tarjak, very interesting. __________________

09-03-10, 07:58 AM	#5
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	And #8 is the one which the AI screws up on... __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

09-05-10, 06:09 PM	#13
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	This will be a first This will be the first time I' d agree with Dowly on anything, yet zoom and boom is pretty much the way to go especially with early allied aircraft. Just finished a mcf 2 Flying Tigers campaign with a p 40B you don't get low and slow with a Zero, in that brick, speed is life, it also helps to be a good shot. Question is there a decent Battle of Britian download out there, like to fly the Spitfire when I can. Last edited by yubba; 09-05-10 at 06:20 PM.

09-03-10, 07:54 AM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	One little bit of advice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicta_Boelcke Written in WW1 but still accurate for WW2, in particular number three...that's the one I always slip up on. Also worth reading, linked from that article are rules by Malan and Mannock. However, Tarjaks excellent links are the best for IL2 particulars .

09-03-10, 08:00 AM	#6
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Ki-84 handles well in low speeds so you could try maneuvering so your speeds gets low enough so the Spit have to give up the chase or risk overshooting you in which case a quick move back to his arse might give you some free hits.

09-03-10, 08:37 AM	#7
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	True but if the Spit pilot has his wits about him he'll use his speed to climbe away and then zoom and boom you so, it will be a tough fight. Depending on the mark of spit it is of course.

09-03-10, 09:34 AM	#8
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	Time compression 1/4 = Acemaker But seriously. I can't say I have much experience with the Ki-84, or most of the other dogfighters for that matter, (I like to go fast) but I imagine you'd use the same general turn n' burn tactics - drag them down into a fight with you and keep maneuvering until you're in a decent position. __________________