Question about modding the hydrophones.

Admiral Halsey · 09-29-14, 08:46 PM

So much as I love the game I do have slight problem. Having come over from SH4 i'm used to having the hydrophones work on the surface and not needing to dive to have them pick up ships. Does anyone know what i'd need to do to make it so all the hydrophone models work on the surface?

Admiral Halsey · 09-30-14, 07:12 PM

So no one knows what i'd need to do?

WilhelmSchulz. · 09-30-14, 07:28 PM

To be honest I think your the first person to ever even discuse this.

Admiral Halsey · 09-30-14, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

To be honest I think your the first person to ever even discuse this.

Really? After all these years you'd think at least one other person would've asked or talked about doing something like this.

Sailor Steve · 09-30-14, 08:29 PM

No, it's been discussed before. It's probably hardcoded and can't be changed, but there are reasons for that. The thinking for SH4 was that US subs had a retractable sonar installation under the keel. U-boats did not. A u-boat's hydrophone array was in the bow of the boat, and when it was surfaced the array was right where the most turbulance was created. The rotating sensor was up on the deck, so when the boat was surfaced it was up out of the water, and useless.

My objection to having even US boats be able to hear on the surface is that their sonar array was very much like that of destroyers. If a sub can hear a destroyer or a merchant while surfaced, why can't a destroyer hear a surfaced sub? I could easily be wrong, but Outside of SH4 I've never heard of a sub being able to use sonar to hear surface ships while surfaced themselves.

Update: It seems that the underwater array was active SONAR only. The passive array, or hydrophone, was up on the deck exactly as in the u-boats. They could not listen while surfaced.
http://maritime.org/doc/fleetsub/sonar/index.htm

WilhelmSchulz. · 09-30-14, 08:42 PM

It might be but Ive noticed that while playing that depth can affect the range something is herd. If its moddable its probebly hell hiden.

Admiral Halsey · 09-30-14, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No, it's been discussed before. It's probably hardcoded and can't be changed, but there are reasons for that. The thinking for SH4 was that US subs had a retractable sonar installation under the keel. U-boats did not. A u-boat's hydrophone array was in the bow of the boat, and when it was surfaced the array was right where the most turbulance was created. The rotating sensor was up on the deck, so when the boat was surfaced it was up out of the water, and useless.

My objection to having even US boats be able to hear on the surface is that their sonar array was very much like that of destroyers. If a sub can hear a destroyer or a merchant while surfaced, why can't a destroyer hear a surfaced sub? I could easily be wrong, but Outside of SH4 I've never heard of a sub being able to use sonar to hear surface ships while surfaced themselves.

Update: It seems that the underwater array was active SONAR only. The passive array, or hydrophone, was up on the deck exactly as in the u-boats. They could not listen while surfaced.
http://maritime.org/doc/fleetsub/sonar/index.htm

Well that sucks. Guess I gotta start remembering to dive occasionally. Maybe i'll mod the radar instead. Anyone know how to do that?

Sailor Steve · 09-30-14, 08:52 PM

Sorry, no clue on my part.

Admiral Halsey · 09-30-14, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Sorry, no clue on my part.

No problem. I'm sure someone who knows will be along soon enough.

WilhelmSchulz. · 09-30-14, 09:20 PM

Mod the radar how? get it sooner or increase its range?

Admiral Halsey · 09-30-14, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Mod the radar how? get it sooner or increase its range?

Both. I'll be using it as a substitute for the hydro's so I need to have one available at the start with the range of the hydro's. From what i've read the means i'll need to make it so one of the radar sets has at least 20 miles of range.

WilhelmSchulz. · 09-30-14, 09:57 PM

Now I belive you can ajust the gain date of the radar by going into the basic CFG files(its towards the bottom), and the range is in the sensors cfg file. let me know it this works.

Admiral Halsey · 09-30-14, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WilhelmSchulz.

Now I belive you can ajust the gain date of the radar by going into the basic CFG files(its towards the bottom), and the range is in the sensors cfg file. let me know it this works.

Really? I'll check that out and get back about that.

Admiral Halsey · 09-30-14, 11:39 PM

Ok so I checked the files and got a bunch of stuff that I have no clue what it means. So yeah until someone who knows exactly what i'd need to change posts i'm stuck.

Admiral Halsey · 10-01-14, 12:22 PM

So anyone know how to edit the Radar files?

09-29-14, 08:46 PM	#1
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 298 Uploads: 0	Question about modding the hydrophones. So much as I love the game I do have slight problem. Having come over from SH4 i'm used to having the hydrophones work on the surface and not needing to dive to have them pick up ships. Does anyone know what i'd need to do to make it so all the hydrophone models work on the surface?

09-30-14, 07:28 PM	#3
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	To be honest I think your the first person to ever even discuse this. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

09-30-14, 08:29 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	No, it's been discussed before. It's probably hardcoded and can't be changed, but there are reasons for that. The thinking for SH4 was that US subs had a retractable sonar installation under the keel. U-boats did not. A u-boat's hydrophone array was in the bow of the boat, and when it was surfaced the array was right where the most turbulance was created. The rotating sensor was up on the deck, so when the boat was surfaced it was up out of the water, and useless. My objection to having even US boats be able to hear on the surface is that their sonar array was very much like that of destroyers. If a sub can hear a destroyer or a merchant while surfaced, why can't a destroyer hear a surfaced sub? I could easily be wrong, but Outside of SH4 I've never heard of a sub being able to use sonar to hear surface ships while surfaced themselves. Update: It seems that the underwater array was active SONAR only. The passive array, or hydrophone, was up on the deck exactly as in the u-boats. They could not listen while surfaced. http://maritime.org/doc/fleetsub/sonar/index.htm __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo Last edited by Sailor Steve; 09-30-14 at 08:40 PM.

09-30-14, 08:42 PM	#6
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	It might be but Ive noticed that while playing that depth can affect the range something is herd. If its moddable its probebly hell hiden. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

09-30-14, 08:52 PM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Sorry, no clue on my part. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

09-30-14, 07:12 PM	#2
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 298 Uploads: 0	So no one knows what i'd need to do?

09-30-14, 09:20 PM	#10
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Mod the radar how? get it sooner or increase its range? __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

09-30-14, 09:57 PM	#12
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Now I belive you can ajust the gain date of the radar by going into the basic CFG files(its towards the bottom), and the range is in the sensors cfg file. let me know it this works. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

09-30-14, 11:39 PM	#14
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 298 Uploads: 0	Ok so I checked the files and got a bunch of stuff that I have no clue what it means. So yeah until someone who knows exactly what i'd need to change posts i'm stuck.

10-01-14, 12:22 PM	#15
Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 298 Uploads: 0	So anyone know how to edit the Radar files?