Sony - Page 3

jazman · 03-04-08, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkShot

After installing the add-on.

Can you run PE and SH4 1.5 together or not?

I do run PE as a replacement for TM.

No, and if you're running version 10 of PE, even after you stop it the kernel driver is still loaded, so you have to reboot.

Rockin Robbins · 03-04-08, 04:08 PM

This post was also completely in error. SecuROM continues to run. It continues to scan for Process Explorer every time SH4UBM starts. It continues to stop SH4UBM from running if it finds Process Explorer processes running. You cannot shut down Process Explorer and play the game. You must reboot.

I recommend not purchasing the U-Boat Missions add-on until Ubi sorts out their SNAFU. I believe Sony misrepresented what SecuROM was doing here, or at least did not fully disclose the nature of their very expensive garbage.

jazman · 03-04-08, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

You don't even have to remove process explorer. Set it not to run on system startup. Reboot. Install the add-on. Start Process Explorer and re-check "replace task manager", set it to run at startup if you wish. SecuROM runs no processes after installation of the add-on so it will not disturb us again.

Yes, SecuROM does something. I installed the AddOn Friday night, yesterday I start PE, and BOOM! I get a SecuROM error message when trying to start SH4.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

I am curious about an adverse claim about PE accompanied by no evidence or suggestion of a better alternative. That seems a dubious claim. The correct have no need to be mysterious.

No kidding. I'm not allowed to monitor what's going on in my computer system? I guess not when I'm playing their game.

03-04-08, 06:09 PM

I prefer TUT over Process Explorer.
It's not free, but the good stuff usually isn't.

Rockin Robbins · 03-04-08, 06:13 PM

Make Process Explorer take the place of Task Manager and just press ctrl-alt-delete when you want it to appear. That way it isn't resident when you start SH4UBM. I have to play with that and complain to Dan! That is very different from how he explained the situation. If no SecuROM processes ever run after installation, it could not know about Process Explorer.

Methinks Sony (as usual) sold Ubi down the river. I hate companies that have disdain for their customers. Sony is hated company number one. No Sony in my house of any kind, under any circumstances. They even beat out Bank of America.

03-04-08, 06:54 PM

I agree with you on the
No Sony
and
No Bank of America.
Both have been nothing but trouble for me.

1480 · 03-04-08, 08:36 PM

I get the no social notta problemo banco de america, but whats the beef with Sony?

Rockin Robbins · 03-04-08, 09:44 PM

Maerean_m is wrong. SecuROM scans the running processes list every time SH4UBM runs. If Mark Russinovich program processes are running it returns:

You want to click the link? Notice from the link that the evil perpetrator is definitely Sony's magnificent SecuROM, telling me what lawful software it will tolerate on my property. That is called conversion and is an actionable offense. Let's click the link and remove all doubt as to what's running here.

But I didn't really have to do that, did I. We all knew what was up.

Maerean_m, you were lied to. Never trust Sony. I take that back. Trust them to screw you and the horse you rode in on and then all the customers that trusted you. Trust Sony to destroy what you have worked so long to accomplish: a game company that can make a difference in the untrusting attitudes that game companies and customers have for each other. I'm really sorry I found this.

I have no doubt that they told you SecuROM wouldn't do anything more than check for a legitimate download. Now you know something about Sony's conception of corporate integrety. This shows it has none.

There are cloakers out there that will hide whatever you want from SecuROM, but you have to be very careful because finding them puts you in some dangerous places for your computer system. Unless you know a lot more than I do, its probably best to make a decision whether this uninvited intrusion is bad enough to prevent you from downloading the add-on. Had I been warned I would not have downloaded it, even for free.

I am a trustworthy person who hates being treated as a criminal by people I pay money to. I am very disappointed the Ubi didn't learn from their first expensive foray with Sony. I won't be purchasing any more Ubi products until I find they are free of Sony garbage.

Rockin Robbins · 03-04-08, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

I prefer TUT over Process Explorer.
It's not free, but the good stuff usually isn't.

TUT: The Ultimate Troubleshooter (everybody uses articles in their abbreviations, don't they?). It is not a task manager replacement, but has more analysis tools. It would be really inappropriate to use as a simple task manager, just like using Microsoft Word to edit a text file. But it looks like a really nice program for more in-depth analysis and goes way beyond a simple task manager such as Process Explorer.

Read all about it at http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/technology-and-science/ultimate-troubleshooter-utility.asp.
See, now everybody knows and I didn't have to act mysterious at all.

Maybe I'm missing something. I'll just start using acronyms and initials for everything to achieve the desired effect......maybe not.

03-04-08, 10:01 PM

As my daughter use to say,
"Whatever!"
Nothing was intended as you took it.
I spend time trying to learn and help.
Not grip.
Whatever!

MarkShot · 03-04-08, 10:19 PM

Does anyone know if the European CD or DVD version of 1.5 is free of Securom? (I am thinking of having a friend buy it for me and bring it over with him.)

Thanks.

Reece · 03-04-08, 10:23 PM

Does anyone know if this problem exists with the Boxed CD version.

Edit: You beat me to it MarkShot!

d@rk51d3 · 03-04-08, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Does anyone know if this problem exists with the Boxed CD version.

I believe that some files are there, but are unused.

MONOLITH · 03-04-08, 10:45 PM

I guess I'm behind the curve or naive, but I had never even heard of Process Explorer before this thread; so I just haven't been having any problems.

I use "end it all" to shut down all running programs before I start SH4. Then I start SH4, and I'm off sailing the oceans and blowing stuff up.

SecureRom and I have never run into each other, and I don't expect to.

That does not mean I don't sympathize with those who are having problems with it; it's just not a problem for me.

03-04-08, 10:57 PM

IDA (Interactive Disassembler Pro)
Shows me no problems.
I run it for several reasons from time to time.
Each system may react differently due to the way each user
runs thier system.
There is so much garbage out there,
it's hard to determine where or when sometheings are loaded.
If one or so persons have a problem?
Anomoly.
I run what is generally refered to as the Best of The Best Pirate type software.
Some of it is custom written.
I have no problems.
I'm not saying others don't!!!
I'm just not seeing those problems on my system.

As for the Sony issue?
My hate started years ago with thier 3.5 floppy drives!!!
Everyone I bought failed within 6 months.
And I bought several hundred at that time!
Did they correct the problem?
What do you think?

03-04-08, 04:08 PM	#32
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	OK guys, it's simple This post was also completely in error. SecuROM continues to run. It continues to scan for Process Explorer every time SH4UBM starts. It continues to stop SH4UBM from running if it finds Process Explorer processes running. You cannot shut down Process Explorer and play the game. You must reboot. I recommend not purchasing the U-Boat Missions add-on until Ubi sorts out their SNAFU. I believe Sony misrepresented what SecuROM was doing here, or at least did not fully disclose the nature of their very expensive garbage. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 03-04-08 at 10:30 PM.

03-04-08, 06:13 PM	#35
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Workaround Make Process Explorer take the place of Task Manager and just press ctrl-alt-delete when you want it to appear. That way it isn't resident when you start SH4UBM. I have to play with that and complain to Dan! That is very different from how he explained the situation. If no SecuROM processes ever run after installation, it could not know about Process Explorer. Methinks Sony (as usual) sold Ubi down the river. I hate companies that have disdain for their customers. Sony is hated company number one. No Sony in my house of any kind, under any circumstances. They even beat out Bank of America. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-04-08, 08:36 PM	#37
1480 Lead Slinger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chitcago, Illinoise Posts: 1,442 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	I get the no social notta problemo banco de america, but whats the beef with Sony? __________________

03-04-08, 09:44 PM	#38
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,899 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Confirmed Maerean_m is wrong. SecuROM scans the running processes list every time SH4UBM runs. If Mark Russinovich program processes are running it returns: You want to click the link? Notice from the link that the evil perpetrator is definitely Sony's magnificent SecuROM, telling me what lawful software it will tolerate on my property. That is called conversion and is an actionable offense. Let's click the link and remove all doubt as to what's running here. But I didn't really have to do that, did I. We all knew what was up. Maerean_m, you were lied to. Never trust Sony. I take that back. Trust them to screw you and the horse you rode in on and then all the customers that trusted you. Trust Sony to destroy what you have worked so long to accomplish: a game company that can make a difference in the untrusting attitudes that game companies and customers have for each other. I'm really sorry I found this. I have no doubt that they told you SecuROM wouldn't do anything more than check for a legitimate download. Now you know something about Sony's conception of corporate integrety. This shows it has none. There are cloakers out there that will hide whatever you want from SecuROM, but you have to be very careful because finding them puts you in some dangerous places for your computer system. Unless you know a lot more than I do, its probably best to make a decision whether this uninvited intrusion is bad enough to prevent you from downloading the add-on. Had I been warned I would not have downloaded it, even for free. I am a trustworthy person who hates being treated as a criminal by people I pay money to. I am very disappointed the Ubi didn't learn from their first expensive foray with Sony. I won't be purchasing any more Ubi products until I find they are free of Sony garbage. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS Last edited by Rockin Robbins; 03-04-08 at 09:58 PM.

03-04-08, 10:19 PM	#41
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	Does anyone know if the European CD or DVD version of 1.5 is free of Securom? (I am thinking of having a friend buy it for me and bring it over with him.) Thanks. __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

03-04-08, 06:09 PM	#34
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I prefer TUT over Process Explorer. It's not free, but the good stuff usually isn't.

03-04-08, 06:54 PM	#36
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I agree with you on the No Sony and No Bank of America. Both have been nothing but trouble for me.

03-04-08, 10:01 PM	#40
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	As my daughter use to say, "Whatever!" Nothing was intended as you took it. I spend time trying to learn and help. Not grip. Whatever!

03-04-08, 10:23 PM	#42
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,692 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Does anyone know if this problem exists with the Boxed CD version. Edit: You beat me to it MarkShot! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

03-04-08, 10:45 PM	#44
MONOLITH Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 997 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I guess I'm behind the curve or naive, but I had never even heard of Process Explorer before this thread; so I just haven't been having any problems. I use "end it all" to shut down all running programs before I start SH4. Then I start SH4, and I'm off sailing the oceans and blowing stuff up. SecureRom and I have never run into each other, and I don't expect to. That does not mean I don't sympathize with those who are having problems with it; it's just not a problem for me. __________________

03-04-08, 10:57 PM	#45
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	IDA (Interactive Disassembler Pro) Shows me no problems. I run it for several reasons from time to time. Each system may react differently due to the way each user runs thier system. There is so much garbage out there, it's hard to determine where or when sometheings are loaded. If one or so persons have a problem? Anomoly. I run what is generally refered to as the Best of The Best Pirate type software. Some of it is custom written. I have no problems. I'm not saying others don't!!! I'm just not seeing those problems on my system. As for the Sony issue? My hate started years ago with thier 3.5 floppy drives!!! Everyone I bought failed within 6 months. And I bought several hundred at that time! Did they correct the problem? What do you think?