SAVE HMS PLYMOUTH

tommo8993 · 09-09-14, 08:41 AM

The historic frigate Hms Plymouth is going to be scrapped. She is one of the last type-12 frigates left. In 1982 the Argentine surrender on South Georgia was signed on this ship.

After Royal Navy service she was handed over to the warship preservation trust. With hopes of making her a museum. In 2006 the trust went bankrupt and the legal saga began. The ship was split into 64 shares and thus nobody had full ownership. This lead to much indecision and because some shareholders wanted to see her scrapped the ship stayed their at Liverpool docks. Until 2 weeks ago peel ports the port owners decided to get her towed to a breakers yard in Turkey.

The current situation is that the ships is halted outside the breakers in Turkey.
She cannot enter due to a legal claim by HMS Plymouth trust and because of a separte case where Peel ports failed to declare toxic waste on the ship. Now peel cant scrap her because technically they dont own her.
BUT now its a legal battle and thats expensive. A Facebook group below is where the Trust are communicating with people and rallying support.

Please please please can people join this and donate if you can. If this legal battle is successful it should place the ship under full ownership of the trust and then progress can be made. To get this far last time they raised £5000 in 18 hours. The support is their.

Please help or spread the word

https://www.facebook.com/groups/SAVE.HMS.PLYMOUTH.OPEN/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Plymouth_%28F126%29

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/HMS-...story.html?555

09-10-14, 02:46 AM

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Now peel cant scrap her because technically they dont own her.

How much does the trust owe Peel for mooring?
Take as an example the local docks.....
€10/meter/month. If a vessel is abandoned or owned by a company that goes bust that turns to €500/meter/week.
So going off that it owes €56000/week and is 8 years in arrears.
That's a lot of money they owe.

tommo8993 · 09-20-14, 01:48 PM

Well, it turns out that in the UK once something is a charity asset, it cant be sold. Its charitable property ad infinitum. The warship preservation trust went bust so technically the ship had no owner, however the HMS Plymouth trust had money in her. So the ship was divided into 64 shares by the administrators one the WPT went down. It turns out they should of either given it to the Plymouth trust or created its own charitable trust.

Update.
The ship is in the yard still untouched. The Turkish environment inspectors are looking over it. The ships was declared safe for mooring, not safe for scrapping. So their quite a lot of chemicals and radioactive nasties on board. Thats stopping the work. 2 guys from the Plymouth trust are flying out on the 30th to negotiate with the yard. They plan to offer the yard a fee to buy her back and then once shes in the UK bill peel ports for it.

The ship has been offered a free birth in Plymouth and a tug company is offering to bring her back at next to nothing. But all this is useless if she gets melted down and sold. So donations are needed. Please share.

Also she was moored at the warship preservation trust, the trust went bust and peel bought the yard, the ship never moved.

tommo8993 · 09-21-14, 10:05 AM

http://www.hmsplymouthtrust.co.uk/helpnow.html

Any donations would be welcome.

tommo8993 · 09-30-14, 03:03 PM

This just came in, I really hate peel ports, not only did they illegally sell the ship, read the clauses they put in for scrapping,

(HMS Plymouth Trust)

Dear Members,
It is with deep regret to have to report this update to you tonight. Having spoken with Gareth Griffiths and Roy Martin tonight at length they have asked me to report the following;
HMS Plymouth is no more.
As you will be all aware, Gareth and Roy flew out to Turkey on Monday and have worked tirelessly around the clock to gain access to the scrap yard, SOK Denizcuilik were HMS Plymouth arrived a few weeks ago. The yard has a heavy security presence which includes the Turkish military so gaining access was not particularly an easy task but were eventually granted access to the senior management of the yard with detailed documentation from Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman who has been a keen supporter of HMS Plymouth Trust Ltd and played an active role in the campaign to preserve the historic warship in the UK.
The senior management of the yard have been described by Roy and Gareth as professional, welcoming and amicable. HMS Plymouth was discussed in detail over tea and biscuits. Sadly however the outcome was not what we all held a glimmer of hope for.
The scrap yard confirmed the following, which I think you will agree is quite disturbing:
1) HMS Plymouth was sold to SOK Denizcuilik by a “subsidiary” of Peel Holdings which was set up for the sole purpose of selling HMS Plymouth and wound up immediately after the vessel was collected.
2) Peel Holdings placed the following clauses in the sale:
- The deconstruction of HMS Plymouth must start immediately on arrival at the yard and given priority over all other work.
- No photographs or access may be granted to HMS Plymouth by third parties.
- The vessel must be completely destroyed; the yard can not resell, give away or otherwise transfer HMS Plymouth to third parties nor negotiate any other use for the vessel. The purpose of the sale is for the vessel to be completely destroyed.
-Photographic evidence of the deconstruction can only be released once the vessel no longer exists.
3) The most bizarre and concerning part of the contract which will all most certainly be investigated now by relevant authorities is this one, again, wording may not be exact:
“This deconstruction contract is a top secret case in collaboration with the UK Government. If this contract is in any way breached, Peel Holdings will ensure that you will not receive anymore deconstruction contracts from the MOD for any other vessels.”
It is at this point Roy and Gareth were shown pictures of HMS Plymouth being scrapped from the cutting of the bow, removal of the bridge to just her remains on the beach which I believe is somewhere between mid ships to stern minus superstructure.
So it is with much deep regret and upset that I have had to bring you all this news which is effectively the end of our campaign and more importantly, the end of HMS Plymouth which is what it was all about. I understand that this news will bring great disappointment and upset to you all and I share in that with you though I do not pretend to “understand” how each individual feels as this will be very different to all of us in how it effects us.
This update doesn’t really have a parting line, there is really no more to say on it. On behalf of HMS Plymouth Trust Ltd I would like to say how heart warming it has been to have 100% support from you all during the last two and a half years and that we are eternally appreciative of you all.
HMS Plymouth Trust Ltd.

09-09-14, 08:41 AM	#1
tommo8993 Helmsman Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 104 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	SAVE HMS PLYMOUTH The historic frigate Hms Plymouth is going to be scrapped. She is one of the last type-12 frigates left. In 1982 the Argentine surrender on South Georgia was signed on this ship. After Royal Navy service she was handed over to the warship preservation trust. With hopes of making her a museum. In 2006 the trust went bankrupt and the legal saga began. The ship was split into 64 shares and thus nobody had full ownership. This lead to much indecision and because some shareholders wanted to see her scrapped the ship stayed their at Liverpool docks. Until 2 weeks ago peel ports the port owners decided to get her towed to a breakers yard in Turkey. The current situation is that the ships is halted outside the breakers in Turkey. She cannot enter due to a legal claim by HMS Plymouth trust and because of a separte case where Peel ports failed to declare toxic waste on the ship. Now peel cant scrap her because technically they dont own her. BUT now its a legal battle and thats expensive. A Facebook group below is where the Trust are communicating with people and rallying support. Please please please can people join this and donate if you can. If this legal battle is successful it should place the ship under full ownership of the trust and then progress can be made. To get this far last time they raised £5000 in 18 hours. The support is their. Please help or spread the word https://www.facebook.com/groups/SAVE.HMS.PLYMOUTH.OPEN/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Plymouth_%28F126%29 http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/HMS-...story.html?555

09-20-14, 01:48 PM	#3
tommo8993 Helmsman Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 104 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Well, it turns out that in the UK once something is a charity asset, it cant be sold. Its charitable property ad infinitum. The warship preservation trust went bust so technically the ship had no owner, however the HMS Plymouth trust had money in her. So the ship was divided into 64 shares by the administrators one the WPT went down. It turns out they should of either given it to the Plymouth trust or created its own charitable trust. Update. The ship is in the yard still untouched. The Turkish environment inspectors are looking over it. The ships was declared safe for mooring, not safe for scrapping. So their quite a lot of chemicals and radioactive nasties on board. Thats stopping the work. 2 guys from the Plymouth trust are flying out on the 30th to negotiate with the yard. They plan to offer the yard a fee to buy her back and then once shes in the UK bill peel ports for it. The ship has been offered a free birth in Plymouth and a tug company is offering to bring her back at next to nothing. But all this is useless if she gets melted down and sold. So donations are needed. Please share. Also she was moored at the warship preservation trust, the trust went bust and peel bought the yard, the ship never moved. Last edited by tommo8993; 09-21-14 at 01:19 PM.

09-21-14, 10:05 AM	#4
tommo8993 Helmsman Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 104 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	http://www.hmsplymouthtrust.co.uk/helpnow.html Any donations would be welcome.

09-30-14, 03:03 PM	#5
tommo8993 Helmsman Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 104 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	This just came in, I really hate peel ports, not only did they illegally sell the ship, read the clauses they put in for scrapping, (HMS Plymouth Trust) Dear Members, It is with deep regret to have to report this update to you tonight. Having spoken with Gareth Griffiths and Roy Martin tonight at length they have asked me to report the following; HMS Plymouth is no more. As you will be all aware, Gareth and Roy flew out to Turkey on Monday and have worked tirelessly around the clock to gain access to the scrap yard, SOK Denizcuilik were HMS Plymouth arrived a few weeks ago. The yard has a heavy security presence which includes the Turkish military so gaining access was not particularly an easy task but were eventually granted access to the senior management of the yard with detailed documentation from Conservative MEP David Campbell-Bannerman who has been a keen supporter of HMS Plymouth Trust Ltd and played an active role in the campaign to preserve the historic warship in the UK. The senior management of the yard have been described by Roy and Gareth as professional, welcoming and amicable. HMS Plymouth was discussed in detail over tea and biscuits. Sadly however the outcome was not what we all held a glimmer of hope for. The scrap yard confirmed the following, which I think you will agree is quite disturbing: 1) HMS Plymouth was sold to SOK Denizcuilik by a “subsidiary” of Peel Holdings which was set up for the sole purpose of selling HMS Plymouth and wound up immediately after the vessel was collected. 2) Peel Holdings placed the following clauses in the sale: - The deconstruction of HMS Plymouth must start immediately on arrival at the yard and given priority over all other work. - No photographs or access may be granted to HMS Plymouth by third parties. - The vessel must be completely destroyed; the yard can not resell, give away or otherwise transfer HMS Plymouth to third parties nor negotiate any other use for the vessel. The purpose of the sale is for the vessel to be completely destroyed. -Photographic evidence of the deconstruction can only be released once the vessel no longer exists. 3) The most bizarre and concerning part of the contract which will all most certainly be investigated now by relevant authorities is this one, again, wording may not be exact: “This deconstruction contract is a top secret case in collaboration with the UK Government. If this contract is in any way breached, Peel Holdings will ensure that you will not receive anymore deconstruction contracts from the MOD for any other vessels.” It is at this point Roy and Gareth were shown pictures of HMS Plymouth being scrapped from the cutting of the bow, removal of the bridge to just her remains on the beach which I believe is somewhere between mid ships to stern minus superstructure. So it is with much deep regret and upset that I have had to bring you all this news which is effectively the end of our campaign and more importantly, the end of HMS Plymouth which is what it was all about. I understand that this news will bring great disappointment and upset to you all and I share in that with you though I do not pretend to “understand” how each individual feels as this will be very different to all of us in how it effects us. This update doesn’t really have a parting line, there is really no more to say on it. On behalf of HMS Plymouth Trust Ltd I would like to say how heart warming it has been to have 100% support from you all during the last two and a half years and that we are eternally appreciative of you all. HMS Plymouth Trust Ltd.