Enemy Engaged 2 ?

[FIREWALL]

Anybody have or played EE2 ?

The trailer looked kinda cool. Just wondering if it's a FPS kinda game or some kinda Sim ?

Any info before I buy would be helpfull.

Thx in advance.

[Skybird]

It does not go much beyond the original Enemy Engaged. EE2 was said to be very buggy, and was greeted with very little applaus, therefore. there was one addon, I think, and a Gold Edition, both left the market unimpressed. My impression was that EE2 appeared, sunk very soon, and was forgotten almost immediately.

The FM is not that of a simulation, but an arcade game. Collective also is hypersensitive, too sensitive, that is. That was what killed the original EE for me. Collective made the chopper hopping and rocketing up and down like a rubber ball thrown on a concrete ground and then zigzagging like crazy between ground and ceiling. Terrible to fly.

The original EE at least was running stable, and has seen much mod support. For an action flight game it offers quite some interesting features and a reasonably complex cockpit environment. I would have played it much longer if only the collective would not have been such a piece of ####.

Last thing I heared was that it was recommended to ignore EE2 and instead get copies of the old EE games (two of them), then patch them with the community patches and additional mods, and have the better result that way, compared to EE2. In fact I tried these community efforts i think three years ago, and saw the added content working flawlessly. Just that the damn collective still was a piece of ####.

[FIREWALL]

Thx Skybird I think I'll pass on the whole thing.

I'm always on the hunt for something new or I don't have.

Luckily I got FS9 to go with my FSX and have tons of planes, scenries and missions to add to keep me busy for a long time.

Also on more than one Flightsim site was post recently that recent FS9 missions can be used on FSX.

You have any info on this Skybird ?

ps. I have gotten into Soaring too due to alot of mission mods.

[Skybird]

FSX and FS9 share a lot of things, but FSX adds addtional content and chnages some things, so whether or not a scenery or plane for FS9 will work in FSX as well is a matter of trying out the individual software in question. chances are that in most cases it will work.

If you are into soaring, consider "Condor". It'S the best thing you can get on PC for soaring. I even had a review of it in this forum some time ago. It is not perfect, but simply better than any other PC approach to soaring. But it is difficult, and probabyl only for the specialised entzhusiast. Most users of Condor are real world soaring pilots, I got the impression. but maybe that is just me.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=129997

[porphy]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Anybody have or played EE2 ?

The trailer looked kinda cool. Just wondering if it's a FPS kinda game or some kinda Sim ?

Any info before I buy would be helpfull.

Thx in advance.

Hi

Skybird is right about EE2. Just leave it behind. Go for the original game and get the community mod. It's a one in all installation about 500mb. EECH is a half-sim I would say. Don't expect Blach Shark feeling of flying or terrible deep avionics. But it's not a arcade game. The collective is indeed sensitive, and it seems like the helo generates too much lift with minimal movements on the collective. Also the rudder forces seems a bit dodgy.

But the mods have improved it a great deal. You can now go into the ini. file for EECH and specify the "curves" for collective. This way you can have much more room for moving the collective without the helo balloning or sinking like a rock from small adjustments. Acctually it works very well. If you can get the sim for a few dollars go ahead. You have several dynamic campaigns to have fun with and the feeling of being on a battlefield is quite good.

cheers porphy

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by porphy

Hi

But the mods have improved it a great deal. You can now go into the ini. file for EECH and specify the "curves" for collective. This way you can have much more room for moving the collective without the helo balloning or sinking like a rock from small adjustments.

Is this a very new feature you are talking of, or the workaround that is around since almost the release year? I just checked the ini-description in the EECH-wiki at EECH Central and although it is a long time I checked ini-files for EE in there I saw nothing that looked like the user being able to really define a complete reaction curve for the colective - only the regular variables for different axis that have been there since always.

[porphy]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Is this a very new feature you are talking of, or the workaround that is around since almost the release year? I just checked the ini-description in the EECH-wiki at EECH Central and although it is a long time I checked ini-files for EE in there I saw nothing that looked like the user being able to really define a complete reaction curve for the colective - only the regular variables for different axis that have been there since always.

It's true that you can't define the reaction curve perfectly, but you can do a bit of tinkering. Below are the ini parameters from the ini-file that you can change. You can toggle non-linear joystick reaction on and of. And with the collective zones 1 and 2 you can specify the range of the zones. You can also set throttle percentage for where zone 1 starts.

If I remember correctly it works like this for the collective... Set zone 1 to 0.20, that means that when the collective handle is at 20% of its physical full range it will give you 60% throttle when flying.
Now set zone 2 to say 0.95. At 95% and above of the range you will have 100% throttle.
The point of this is that you have now set up the physical range between 20-95% of the collective to control flying throttle between 60%-100%. That is you now have a much larger non-linear span to move your collective back and forth (0.20-095), and within this range you only adjust throttle power between 60%-100%. This might not look very good, but when you actually fly, this is the range of throttle % you use the most.

Finally, you can even set the throttle value for zone one. Default is 60%. But you can change this to say 40%. This means that the range specified above now controls throttle output between 40-100%.
Or you could set the value to 70 and set zone 1 to 0.05 and zone 2 to 0.98. This would be extreme, but it illustrates how you can adjust the collective behaviour to be very smooth for controlling throttle output between 70-100%, as almost the full physical range of the handle is used for this. The throttle output range is short, but the physical range to move through to adjust it is very long!

I hope my somewhat convoluted explanations are crystal clear!

With the zones modified as above you only need to be a bit careful when landing, as the first 20% of the collective range controls 0-60% throttle. But I can live with that and still have a much more reasonable collective behaviour when manoeuvring the helo in flight and in combat. The helos typically take at least 50-60 % throttle to stay in a hoover anyway, so you rarely use less. I would suggest anyone to at least give it a try.

Ini-file entries to look for

nonlinear-cyclic=1 # use non-linear control for cyclic (less sensitive around center) (0 = off, 1 = on) (def = 1)

nonlinear-pedals=1 # use non-linear control for pedals (less sensitive around center) (0 = off, 1 = on) (def = 1)

nonlinear-collective-zone1=0.49 # non-linear control value for throttle (n = % throttle position joystick to represents 60% collective) (10= 0.1) (0.0 = off (linear control), 1.0 = max) (def = 0.3)

nonlinear-collective-zone2=0.80 # non-linear control value for throttle (n = % throttle position joystick to represents 100% collective) (10= 0.1) (0.0 = off (linear control), 1.2 = max) (def = 0.7)

nonlinear-collective-percentage-at-zone1=60.0 # collective percentage at zone1. Valid values are in range from 1.0 to 99.0, default is 60.0.

cheers porphy

[Skybird]

Maybe I will once again give the latest status of EECH a try. But not immediately, since I expect the arrival of Battle for Britain II anytime soon - and those already printed 450 pages of manual rest heavy on my table...

Thanks for taking the time to explain it indepth. Pasted, copied and saved. I do not remember if this was the old workaround, or is new material. It's been too long for me. I think it's new.

[FIREWALL]

@ Skybird Is Condor for FS9 or FSX ?

[Sledgehammer427]

I think Condor is a standalone game FIREWALL

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer427

I think Condor is a standalone game FIREWALL

Right that.

http://www.condorsoaring.com/

It is rumoured and assumed that they are developing a Condor 2, with even better flight model, but I know nothing specific and can give no links or guesses on the timeline. It's rumours, I mean. maybe it is, maybe it is not. Maybe 3 months away, maybe 3 years. In case of interest into Condor, I would not wait but buy now what is available. It is cheap nowadays (CD on the store's shelves. Their download is still expensive. Last time I saw it at Amazon it was around 15 or 20 euros).


Return to EECH failed for me, btw, this latest version of that all-inclusive mod/patch ran extremely unstable, caused many errors and control flaws and the game crashed time and again. Looking into it one whole afternoon was the limit of what it was worth for me. Chapter closed.

[Skybird]

The CD versions seems to be out of supply at German Amazon, Ebay and Aerosoft. In America, it was always difficult to get anyway (possibly not supplied to the US market). If you are interested, your possibly best choice is the download version from their homepage.