[REL] FOTRS Ultimate Project

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by gutted

Was sent to take pictures of Hiroshima harbor. Two Akagi class carriers were stuck together.

July 31, 1942
http://imgur.com/a/x9L0Y


On the way out of the harbor i saw what looked like two ships that collided. Both were stopped. One was on fire, the other was sitting so low in the water it looked like it was about to sink.

Also saw another ship doing wide circles with only it's aft sticking out of the water. It almost ran into me. Took some video of it LOL.

OK gutted, I've gone through all the files for the 41a and the 42b, in addition to the 42a "target" layers, and merged all the campaign files in each set altogether to see what might be overlapping what. Surprisingly, there isn't any in that area. However, there are a few things that can be going on.

First, the two carriers. My guess is that there is an RGG set to spawn an at-anchor, GENERIC CV every 200 hours at a 15% rate in the middle of the harbor, in the Jap_HarborTraffic file - which just happens to be my least favorite file. Entirely too big, and a mess of a file for what they want it to do in-game. The possibility exists that in that time frame from the beginning of the game until your arrival in July 1942 that there could be as many as 4 CV generated there... They're supposed to be anchored, "Docked", standing still, space occupied, but as we've seen at Pearl Harbor and Brisbane entirely too often, the ships drift a pinch in the 'water', and another will attempt to spawn in the open portion of the spot. Same thing may have happened where you saw the two you'd thought had collided. They do have a tendency, once involved in a "collision" while spawning, to try to "get away", so that might have been what you saw there also.

Second, it might be with what you saw while leaving, was that a vessel spawned in front of or on top of a moving "patrol" ship, that was motoring aimlessly around the harbor. I mean, there is ~so~ much of that traffic in the Inland Sea, it's mind boggling. Another thing we have seen in Pearl Harbor is the Patrol vessels get in each others ways, and they start to back up. They do not backup the way you or I would, to gain a better angle at where they are going... no - in fact, they often turn the opposite direction from what they need to, making matters worse. They also do not use their rear-view mirrors, and back into each other constantly. To top that off, they do not have collision detection apparently when backing, so continue to do so, often times "merging" with another ship or dock, or both. Fire, explosions and mayhem soon follow...

The main thing is, there isn't anything obvious that a person can see in the Mission Editor unfortunately. I need to put myself on a playable IJN vessel that is "friendly" to its surroundings, so that I can "see" these harbors in the daylight, in context... I am currently working on taking the Jap_HarborTraffic MIS file, and splitting it into six separate files, coinciding with the current 41a, 42a, 42b, etc. scheme of things, and there will only be ONE spawn of a parked ship each file... That's the plan anyway. Finding all the parked ships in each of the files is proving to be a daunting task, but I'm getting there... Now, if it just works when I get finished...

[torpedobait]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

Rather entertaining, isn't it? sometimes... unless you get to fix it... Thanks for the date. I'll overlay the files from that time frame and see what it shows. I have found before, that the HarborTraffic will sometimes interfere with the Coastal, which interferes with the Convoys, which interferes with... etc. and what you're seeing is multiple ships attempting to occupy nearly the same space at the same time. They can't utilize their collision avoidance during the spawn ... The average player doesn't always see that, especially if they get there after-the-fact, and it only looks like a bombing raid just went through.

Apparently it happens in real life too. I was looking at the carrier docks at Norfolk on Google Earth yesterday. There are parts of two carriers on each side of the docks!

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by torpedobait

Apparently it happens in real life too. I was looking at the carrier docks at Norfolk on Google Earth yesterday. There are parts of two carriers on each side of the docks!

Huh? Here's every carrier at Norfolk.

[propbeanie]

He probably caught a "between" scan, where the satellite went over last week, 15 scans or whatever to cover the harbor, making a "complete" picture. When torpedobait looked, the satellite had finished 12 of 15 scans of the area, and had to do three more (or whatever) orbits to complete the picture. In the meantime, the USN, always on the move, moved and "blurred" the picture, making Mathew Brady chuckle just a wee bit...

[Navigator857]

Started a career in the Asiatic and when I got to about this mark



I ran into a TF with two BB's and about 9 DE. That's when I noticed one was missing textures.



I forgot to get the name of the destroyer.

Jack

[torpedobait]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

He probably caught a "between" scan, where the satellite went over last week, 15 scans or whatever to cover the harbor, making a "complete" picture. When torpedobait looked, the satellite had finished 12 of 15 scans of the area, and had to do three more (or whatever) orbits to complete the picture. In the meantime, the USN, always on the move, moved and "blurred" the picture, making Mathew Brady chuckle just a wee bit...

Nope: Here's what I see today.

[gutted]

@propbeanie

Don't stress over it too much. It's really not that big of deal. I only ever go to harbors when im told to. It's almost like cheating

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by Navigator857

Started a career in the Asiatic and when I got to about this mark
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I ran into a TF with two BB's and about 9 DE. That's when I noticed one was missing textures.
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I forgot to get the name of the destroyer.

Jack

No biggie on the name, but we are going to have to call you cdrsubron7Jr... He's gonna be jealous that you found an issue with a task force. He's usually the one to find those. About what is the date though? I'm stuck on a little tablet for the weekend, and can't see the details so well...

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by gutted

@propbeanie

Don't stress over it too much. It's really not that big of deal. I only ever go to harbors when im told to. It's almost like cheating

No stress involved. Scary thing is, it's kinda fun troubleshooting this. It's like you've got this undocumented scripting language, that the original author of, got angry at his boss one day at work, and up and ~left~ and never came back. Unfortunately, the company relied upon that scripting language for all of their reports, so they gave it to the new kid to figure out and get their weeklies out... been there done that

But seriously, you go into a harbor, you expect it to at least resemble a harbor, and not something that Hanna Barbera rejected for their Saturday morning cartoon show...

[cdrsubron7]

Talk about your Sunday driver.

[propbeanie]

Originally Posted by cdrsubron7

Talk about your Sunday driver.

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Ahh yeah... The ole "Let's take a short cut to go kill that submarine dude...

[Barkerov]

Originally Posted by cdrsubron7

Talk about your Sunday driver.

No that's not it. You see kids, when a destroyer loves a carrier, they ram each other and that's where cruisers come from...

[cdrsubron7]

Originally Posted by Barkerov

No that's not it. You see kids, when a destroyer loves a carrier, they ram each other and that's where cruisers come from...

Dang, so that's how it works. Thanks for the help.

[torpedobait]

I had occasion to visit the Fulton class Sub Tender based at Mios Woendi on 06/21/1944 to refuel and rearm. As I was pulling away from the along-side position, I used my binoculars to scan the crew manning the tender and noticed that they are all the same civilian types I've seen on Japanese merchants that were about to take the deep six! Now I'm not one to profile, but it does seem unusual for a submarine tender to be crewed exclusively by Japanese (or at least Oriental) personnel. Something for the brass to check into, I'd think!

I must say I am really enjoying this first career under FOTARS v0.52. And there was a nice touch awaiting us at Midway in July. We were offered (and accepted) the new Twin 40mm anti-air guns! Love it, and can't wait to challenge one of those magical Judy's with X-Ray vision that can sink you at 200 feet on a very dark night. Thanks again for the hard work, sailors.

[Navigator857]

Originally Posted by propbeanie

About what is the date though? I'm stuck on a little tablet for the weekend, and can't see the details so well...

Don't have the exact date. I left out of on December 8th, 1941 and that was about a week into my cruise. I did sink one of the BB's before I CTD.