Eiffel Tower perimeter fence built to stop terrorism

[Gerald]

Paris is to unveil its newly built perimeter defences around the Eiffel Tower to protect against terror threats.
Temporary barriers were placed around the tower in June 2016, and are now being replaced with more permanent measures.
Set to be completed in mid-July, the fences cost nearly €35 million ($40.1m; £30.1m).
More than 240 people have died in terror attacks in France since 2015.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44502949


Good initiative.

[Skybird]

Just a reminder: no other relgions is so omnipresent i the media, gets so much special treatment and attention and so much state action and financial investment, like Muhameddanism. From nowhere else so many foreigners come to Europe and no other religion has such a immensely huge production of young men.


Haven't our parents told us when we were young to be cautious against a stranger?


What Franc enow needs to do is like a flat owner who starts to lock himself in one or two rooms of his flat, because he does not have the rest of the flat he once owned under his control anymore. Going to the kitchen: a risk. Expedition to the bathroom: an adventure.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Good initiative.

I could think of better initiative.

Markus

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I could think of better initiative.

Markus

Not without being called a Nazi or Racist by the rabble and their elitist overlords.

[Skybird]

Make love, not fences.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I could think of better initiative.

Markus

Explain.

[HunterICX]

Just like their Maginot line this fencing isn't going to stop anything.
Waste of money and a way to ruin the sights I'd say.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Explain.

Deportation is one of them

Those foreigner who only have terror on their mind, should be deported.

Markus

[Platapus]

The design seems reasonable.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Deportation is one of them

Those foreigner who only have terror on their mind, should be deported.

Markus

You mean Vulcanic brain scans? I do not know how else to differentiate between a claimed wannabe- Musli and a real Muslim. What about the converts? Self-radiclaisaiton of lonely wolves? Takes just 2-3 months, we know by now. What about the fact that the ideology of Islam calls for djihad against the infidels (and no, that is not at all just an inner quest to overocme the ego, as some try to make it appear as) and says there can be no lasting peace, only temporary cease-fires, as long as there still is somethign that is not Islam's?


I mean: any realistic suggestion of yours?



This fence at the Eiffel tower will not prevent terrorist attacks in general. But it will help to reduce the mlikelihood of one such attack at the Eiffel tower. If that is no valid motive, we should also deconstruct again the street-blocking bollards we have ste up before tourist hotspots, pedestrian zones, famous plazas and so forth.


And to stop Islamic migration in general might help, too. But to assume we could find by prescans the violent orthdox Muslims amognst them, is illusory. We can poick out some of them. But in german y we have no rich experience with how our system fails awesomely becasue we hopelessly overburded it and misdesigned it. We have a big political crisis currently because of that.



Hunter,

the day one of your loved ones visiting the Eiffle tower sees his life saved due to the installation there, might be the day you start think differently about your rejection of it. Its easy to argue on behalf of maximum morals, its cheap talking and costs nothing, and nothing you need to put at risk: you must not invest your own skin into the game - but when you face terrorist violence eye to eye, or see your loved ones exposed in the line of fire, absolute morals rapidly lose their attractiveness and mere survival and prevention of the deed suddenly become so much more interesting to you. I have experienced one bomb attack in Berlin in April 1986, I can tell you this by experience. I wish I would not have needed to see it.



Some bollards and fences is the far lesser evil. Keeping people separated and apart who do not match too well and have conflicting views on liberties and standards, is the better option than to force them to live together and policing and sanctionising them all the time.



Walls that keep people inside, are evil, they always indicate a prison. Walls that keep people out, can be good. Can be very good indeed. They provide security.

[Gerald]

Every step to stop terror is good! However the are some law in order i.e

[mapuc]

I know there are converts and homemade radical who commit Terror.

What I say is:

A foreigner first generation, shall be deported if they commit terror. Even if they have got the citizenships

When it comes to these converts and foreigners from 2nd generation and these homemade radikal we have to take care of them our self

The Person, if a foreigner, who radicalize the person who have converted, shall be deported.

Like Pavlovs dogs
(this is from what the commentator said in a program about this experience)

"At the end the dog ignored the pain they got through the floor"

What made me think of those spoken words was this

Skybird:
"Walls that keep people out, can be good. Can be very good indeed. They provide security."

We have slowly adopted the new situation.

It makes me really sad, it have come to this and it is our own fault, we the votes in Europe can't blame the politicians, we can only blame our self, for having trusted them to much

Markus