What does Iran think they would gain ?

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Perhaps you are asking the wrong question?


What does the US have to gain?

Indeed. I'm gonna say little if anything at all. The last thing the US or anyone else needs is another Iraq or Libya or Syria. Almost for certain any attempt at regime change will be a disaster. It is also certain that Iran does not want a shooting war on their own territory. Hopefully cool heads will prevail.

[Mr Quatro]

Those oil tankers were USA bound, but they weren't full of oil yet so as not to pollute home waters. Iran sells oil and now the price of gas is sky high.

[em2nought]

I think John Bolton got picked on as a kid, and now it's payback time. It's always payback time.

[mapuc]

Platapus asked a good question

What does the US have to gain?

Reading this question many thoughts popped up in my head

such as-USA have lost a lot of its influence in the Middle East(said a few times in the Danish news throughout the years)
and now they are taking back the initiativ

USA is technically already at war with Iran-This trough the civil war in Yemen. USA is supporting SA and its allied and Iran is supporting the opposite.

u crank could be right in his statement.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

I've no problem with being accused of biasness but I believe the two articles below are fair and balanced.

Is the United States heading for war with Iran?

There are two competing narratives.

The first, which is favoured by US President Donald Trump's administration, is that Iran is up to no good. Preparations are said to have been seen for a potential attack on US targets, though few details have been revealed publicly.
The US has moved reinforcements to the region; it is reducing its non-essential diplomatic personnel in Iraq; and it is reportedly dusting off war plans.
The message to Tehran is clear: any attack on a US target from whatever source, be it Iran or one of its many proxies or allies in the region, will be met by a significant military response.

The second narrative lays the blame for this crisis squarely at Washington's door.

Iran - not surprisingly - holds to this view, but so too do many domestic critics of the Trump administration's approach.

Indeed, to varying degrees many of Mr Trump's key European allies share some of these concerns.

According to this narrative, the "Iran hawks" in the Trump administration - people like National Security Adviser John Bolton, or Secretary of State Mike Pompeo - sense an opportunity.

Their goal, this narrative argues, is regime change in Tehran. And if maximum economic pressure does not work then they believe, military action is not ruled out in the appropriate circumstances.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-48298517

US President Donald Trump has said he does not want a war with Iran amid rising tensions between the two countries, according to senior officials.

In a meeting on Wednesday the president told aides he did not want US pressure to turn into a conflict.
The US has deployed warships and planes to the Gulf and withdrawn diplomatic staff from Iraq in recent days.

Officials cited threats from Iran for the moves.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei meanwhile said there would be no conflict.
"We don't seek a war, nor do they," he said in remarks carried on state media.
Reports say two US destroyers passed through the Strait of Hormuz without incident on Thursday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-4830744

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[Mr Quatro]

What does a proxy war mean?

Some kind of big wig Iranian general is promising a proxie war calling on his army hiding in Iraq.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

What does a proxy war mean?

The Viet Nam War, also known as the Second Indochina War is a classic example of a proxy war. The opposing sides in the Cold War fought each other indirectly or through intermediaries without having to engage in a larger conflict.

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

What does a proxy war mean?

Some kind of big wig Iranian general is promising a proxie war calling on his army hiding in Iraq.

One of the advantages of using " proxies " is the ability to test and refine weapon systems in the field without " direct " involvement. Israel tested American aircraft and weapon systems with great success and helped to refine tactics along with the weapons themselves.

There are of course exceptions as in the Vietnam war. American pilots faced off and battled a mix of Soviet and Vietnamese Pilots flying MiG Fighter aircraft. In addition, Soviet crews manned a number of AA missile batteries.

[Skybird]

The proxy war between Shia/Persia and Sunni/Saudi Arabia is raging sinc eyears, and before. It is no possibility, it is an ongoing fact.

Here is a sober assessment of the American and Iranian positions. The author is so sober in his assessment that one wonders when the last year was that he has had a drink. Good.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48298517

[em2nought]

Originally Posted by Commander Wallace

In addition, Soviet crews manned a number of AA missile batteries.

Soviet crews and this persona non grata

[mapuc]

From the article Skybird posted in his comment.

"Rather, this would be an air and maritime conflict with a huge dose of asymmetry in Iran's responses"

"It could set the whole region ablaze"

I don't know how they think in Teheran I can only guess that this is what they may be aiming at.

Attacking targets in SA/Iraq/other places….waiting for USA to attack Iran and then wait for it....war in the entire region.

Personally I hope this will not happen, none of it

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Originally Posted by em2nought

Soviet crews and this persona non grata

And that means what, exactly ?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Those oil tankers were USA bound, but they weren't full of oil yet so as not to pollute home waters. Iran sells oil and now the price of gas is sky high.

Where was that picture taken? Where I'm at the highest prices are around $3.15, and just last week I paid $3.09. Still high by my standards, but I'm glad I don't live wherever that is.